Bairly Disjointed- Jiggs hitbox comparison *UPDATED*8/14/10

[BEES]

I have read so much bashing on smash from those communities for the entire day, and you're right. what a shame though. something as radical as competitive smash, especially with bans, cannot be accepted by those communities.

but i guess i'm still overly conscious of what they think of us. i'll be happy as long as i am able to discourage people from using the term "hurtbox" before it spreads like a virus. can I at least do this one thing for the community?

If they're bashing us, why should we humor them by sticking to their terminology?

We run the risk of taking ourselves too seriously anyway. It's important to have some self-deprecating humor. Otherwise you fall into the Tekken trap. Everyone who plays Tekken takes it way serious, and everyone who doesn't play Tekken... laughs at them.

If they accepted that their game was a button masher, and that when people talk about 'button mashers' they're almost always implying tekken, life would be much easier. We can accept that our game is a party game. It happens to be deep fighting game, but the fact that it's also a party game is actually what's so awesome about it.

Also, that Brawl players came up with 'hurtbox' means nothing. Good for them I guess. It's a sensible term.

 

[ShadyMilkman]

how much more disjointed is falco's laser than puffs bair I ask??? seeing how puff just missed 3 bairs why laser in teh face right as she turns around.

Everybody knows Jigglypuff's bair has way more range than Falco's lazorz. It has way more adorability, too

 

[Dark Sonic]

The term hurtbox has been around since before brawl was out. I first heard it thrown around in 07.

 

[dch111]

hitbox, hurtbox

just abbreviate both to "hbox"

 

[4 Aces]

just abbreviate both to "hbox"

lol I see what you did there.

 

[X1-12]

I would like to see some other moves , I'll list them and if you can do this I will ACTUALLY love you forever

Marths F-air
Marth's jab
Marth's F-tilt
Peach's F-air
Ganon's B-air
Falco's Bair (its bigger than foxes iirc)


could you do those pwetty pwease??

 

[The Star King]

I like how Apex alone spawned like 5 Jigglypuff-related threads.

 

[Pen_island]

Why is the hitbox for Marth's bair around his body and his arm? Shouldn't it just be around his sword? This game is weird.

 

[Stratocaster]

I like how Apex alone spawned like 5 Jigglypuff-related threads.

Distraction made 4 of them and people keep posting in them for some reason


Marths F-air
Marth's jab
Marth's F-tilt
Peach's F-air
Ganon's B-air
Falco's Bair (its bigger than foxes iirc)

Ok... I just redid my multishine guide in the falco forums so I've been busy with that (go look at it! its pretty sweet!), but no later than tomorrow night I'll have this all redone with Magus's suggestion and all these added

This thing was almost at the bottom of the page so I wasn't going to do it since there was no interest, but as long as there is sure.

 

[X1-12]

definitely

this is brilliant. thanks loads its actually gonna help people get over jiggs and her 'brokenness'

 

[Shoopman]

Yeah I'd really like to see how Marth and Ganon's attacks measure up against the mighty bair.

 

[Jim Morrison]

oh no we're being mocked by other communities for our terminology on a kid's party game. quick change the terminology!

 

[BEES]

You know, I haven't seen any mockery in years. The "is smash a fighting game?" phase ended a long time ago, at least on forums that matter. Yeah there are a few idiots still but their position is increasingly untenable, because one youtube link is all it takes.

"Smash Bros finals" = first result on Youtube is M2K vs Shiz at ROM.

What I have seen recently... is people on Smashboards fretting about nonexistent problems.

 

[hungrybox]

I like how Apex alone spawned like 5 Jigglypuff-related threads.

I can promise you there'll be more to come.

 

[hungrybox]

yeah i noticed that healthbox, hurtbox, hitbox, etc

is all like hbox

i'm forgetting what the H really means

 

[SDC]

Hbox is gonna have an identity crisis and start using kirby in tournament.

 

[keeper]

This is a very cool thread. It'd be interesting to see all attacks in comparison like this, albeit that would be a **** ton of work. >.>;;

 

[Stratocaster]

updated with more moves, mostly by X1-12's suggestion, more coming for as long as there's interest

open to requests

 

[X1-12]

marth beats jiggs, photo evidence!!!

thanks loads stratocaster

 

[Strong Badam]

jiggs' bair is no longer in the first post................ EDIT: oh wait, you put it in the middle for whatever reason instead of at the top. k.
plus, these are stationary hitboxes. they don't take into account dragging due to the character being mobile in the air. that's one of the reasons Jiggs' bair is 2 good.

 

[dch111]

marth beats jiggs, photo evidence!!!

thanks loads stratocaster

also game and watch beats jiggs

LOL

plus, these are stationary hitboxes. they don't take into account dragging due to the character being mobile in the air. that's one of the reasons Jiggs' bair is 2 good.

This. If a time lapse were made of these in the "Effective Hitboxes vs Standard Hitboxes" thread, jiggs could be making zig-zag patterns or piercing arrows with her aerials. And I don't think frame 11 is as irrelevant as Magus makes it seem.

 

[j00t]

also game and watch beats jiggs

LOL

He does...

in my dreams

 

[X1-12]

the hitbox stretch applies to everyone.. jiggs' best attribute is his aerial mobility, the stretched hitboxes don't mean much

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

what about disjpointed ground moves I would think links jab would be neat.

dr. marios bair and kirby's I'd like to see. buecause isn't JUST vs puff you can compare 2 to each other.

also vs pichu puffs normally like to SH bair because if she full hops she can't hit him and he can run under her. So I think pichu's f-smash would be very neat it may outrange her and it it lasts long so couldn't easily be baited like marth's f-smash. plus pichu ducks a little bit. so full hop bair is even less likly to land.

 

[Dragoon Fighter]

nair (never) be disjointed

Mr.Game and watch's Nair?

 

[zidane3015]

Can you add Shiek's Bair?

 

[Stratocaster]

@ ICG, mario and kirby's bairs are pretty dissappointing just fyi but I can show you
@Dragoon Fighter, G&W's nair is incredibly disjointed above him, but its not really disjointed horizontally which is what this list compares...

Okay so on the way are:
Mario Bair
Kirby Bair
Sheik Bair
I guess I'll add some ground moves
Link's jab
Pichu's fsmash
marth's ftilt, jab, and fsmash

no later than late monday

 

[Phoenix~Lament]

I will laugh if marth's uair and dair have more horizontal range than jiggs' bair. This thread really makes me think that marth isn't that bad. If I had to bet though, Marth's dair sweep behind him has the best chance of outranging it.

Edit: That's ganon's bair, right? Is falcon's bair similar in that it can challenge jiggs' bair too? Or is it just pathetic

 

[INSANE CARZY GUY]

I always thought roy's range was a hair shorter but whatever at least on the ground. also marth is terrible says the pichu main. it's to easy to bait him and projectile him. easy to combo/edge gaurd.

 

[Stratocaster]

Hows it easy to bait marth? he's just like any other character, only players can be not baited, I don't see how some characters are more 'baitable'

lol Pichu main saying Marth...

only thing pichu has the rest of the cast doesnt is only 2 frames of land lag on normal landings instead of the normal 4

 

[Strong Badam]

character's aren't more easily baited inherently, however some characters have to commit for longer than others. for example, it's fair easier to dash dance camp against a terrible character like bowser than against marth, who is just going to dash dance camp you back.

 

[Blistering Speed]

Lol at people using this as "proof" Jiggs' B Air camping isn't ridiculous. ******** aerial mobility + very low commital huge hitbox aerial = win.

 

[X1-12]

it shows its not unbeatable though

 

[Stratocaster]

Ya I was seeing people throw out the image of puffs bair and going 'ohhh its sooo disjointed' and its just a bit over rated as far as thats concerned, its a very effective move combined with her aerial mobility and its IASA at frame 31, so you can put out 2 a second almost. It is however a beatable strategy, some characters with superior disjointed hitboxes can predict the bair and hit through it by aiming for Jiggs stretched out leg with really good spacing to remain out of reach, difficult but possible

EDIT: kinda ninja'd but X1-12 was more... concise

 

[Nø Ca$h]

i wanna see sheiks bair.

i remember hearing it has more range than marths fair

 

[X1-12]

it was on there, its gone now, it was long but not disjointed, meaning he can get hit out of it easier

 

[Blistering Speed]

Outranged=/=beaten.

 

[Strong Badam]

it shows its not unbeatable though

anyone who actually thought it was unbeatable lost their set vs. hungrybox or mango before the first game even began.
this topic proves nothing. if spacing bairs with dk makes him mid-tier, spacing bairs with puff + rest + best recovery in game + difficult to combo + highest aerial momentum = top tier.
not broken tier, btw; top tier.

 

[SDC]

anyone who actually thought it was unbeatable lost their set vs. hungrybox or mango before the first game even began.
this topic proves nothing. if spacing bairs with dk makes him mid-tier, spacing bairs with puff + rest + best recovery in game + difficult to combo + highest aerial momentum = top tier.
not broken tier, btw; top tier.

/thread

 

[4 Aces]

Distraction made 4 of them and people keep posting in them for some reason


Marths F-air
Marth's jab
Marth's F-tilt
Peach's F-air
Ganon's B-air
Falco's Bair (its bigger than foxes iirc)

Ok... I just redid my multishine guide in the falco forums so I've been busy with that (go look at it! its pretty sweet!), but no later than tomorrow night I'll have this all redone with Magus's suggestion and all these added

This thing was almost at the bottom of the page so I wasn't going to do it since there was no interest, but as long as there is sure.

Distraction....god, what a douche.