Awkward Moments Mafia - Game over! Scum wins! Will a SD game ever see a town victory?

[Kantrip]

Kuz, I'm fine with lynching the same people as you generally, though I would much rather one of the first 2 than one of the second two.

I believe that either Radical Fiction or Soupa are scum. The conversation on this page just looks SvT to me, though I'm having trouble deciphering which is which. I'll await Soup's answers as well, though I'm thinking that he's scum over RF. I haven't seen enough from RF (especially IN hyrda) to cement anything about my reads.

@Gova/July: If either of you happen to read this, could we have some reads or stances from you, please?

 

[Asdioh]

I don't have a read I'm confident in yet. Soup and RF are both players that I need to watch for a while before I can give a read with confidence.

 

[Fynal]

@kuz: was working on this as well as calc HW, sorry.

unvote
vote: Soup

soup has really weak stances, which is bad for someone who has "a plethora of solid opinions" (#105). Note the pencil metaphor saying he doesn't actually have any solid reads. He talks a lot about armor being almost a town read but not rly. Or kuz+armor isn't scumteam and they will most likely end up being town.

136 strikes a particularly bad chord with me, he's saying "the most likely solution will be X" with no evidence, speaking almost as if he already knows.

soup basically pulls 138 out of his *** to agree with swiss, despite swiss posting in an attempt to get that exact reaction out of soup.

so, regarding scumpicks, soup is #1. My experience with townsoup is limited but it feels pretty different from this.

#2 is a weaker scumread on armor. I don't like his RVS vote being directed at no one, it feels like content without aggravating anyone. I don't like his RF vote because RF was inactive, despite the "inactivity" being like 1 irl day and the fact that gova and july were/are also inactive and he didn't even mention them.

I have more reading and thinking to do on armor and recent stuff. will get to it before i go to bed.

 

[Asdioh]

I also don't want to go in hard when there are players like Gova, July, and I think Koopa who have done a literal nothing thus far. I want to give them a chance to give their own reads, without being biased by seeing the reads of others first.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Soup: I think you're scum. I also think you know why I think you're scum. Did you specifically change your playstyle in any way to try and re-invent yourself once coming back from your laughably short hiatus or are you intentionally being shady for other reasons. I want scumpicks out of you and I want actual reasons for them. You've only scum hunted yet? Fine, gimme good reasoning for your town reads. Let me into your head so I can that town process whirring because right now you're either trying to change your playstyle and intentionally hide it, or you're scum.

Town read on asdioh for the interaction he gave me with the question i presented him, i liked it and it was a very grilling question, he gave a very straight forward answer and it made me laugh, and his posts afterwards just backed it even more, his little detail or explanation as to why what we were doing (you were talking about questions and drugs and mod-confirmations and ****) seems like he cared about which way town was being directed.

Fragmental is lean town, for reasons stated to you.

You are lean town. i find your questions to be completely useless and to quote asdioh if it was anyone else i would take it with less of a grain of salt, you're lucky i'm using meta on you because that's what it boils down to.

Kantrip is town, i find his attack on me for fence-sitting both warranted and i like what he has to say. this read is more of a static read and IGMEOY for kantrip.

Armor feels townie to me, i can't shake this but i'm struggling with this read at the moment, i'm dying for content from this person.

TTK is the fattest null i could get, absolutely nothing worth of merit and to credit asdioh, i like his vote on him/her.

RF is Null, they won't tell me their intentions and i tried getting them to choke up and give me a read but slammed it back in my face for a vote.

Fynal is null-scum, i do not like the content provided and much like RF, i do not know his intentions, i would expect fynal to blossom a lot more and be open about things but here he is sort of playing like you are, the occasional question, lurk, occasional question, lurk, repeat.

hopefully this changes.

i would vote either TTK or Fynal right now, but we still have july and Gova to yet to do anything, i'd rather wait like everyone else and go back into lurking mode.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

way to call my bluff fynal, you literally ninjaed me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@kuz: was working on this as well as calc HW, sorry.

unvote
vote: Soup

soup has really weak stances, which is bad for someone who has "a plethora of solid opinions" (#105). Note the pencil metaphor saying he doesn't actually have any solid reads. He talks a lot about armor being almost a town read but not rly. Or kuz+armor isn't scumteam and they will most likely end up being town.

That's the whole point of the metaphor, my read on armor is dull, and conclusively i was being quiet about my reads and wanted to stay quiet about them.
136 strikes a particularly bad chord with me, he's saying "the most likely solution will be X" with no evidence, speaking almost as if he already knows.

that's just using logic, backing up what i said to kuz there is no doubt in my mind that armor and kuz can't be scum together.

soup basically pulls 138 out of his *** to agree with swiss, despite swiss posting in an attempt to get that exact reaction out of soup.

If we are going to talk about such things as no evidence, where is your evidence about what swiss wanted/didn't want to do? it's about as baseless as your meta read on me.

so, regarding scumpicks, soup is #1. My experience with townsoup is limited but it feels pretty different from this.

and there it is.

as much as i love my name being called out, i think this response is townie, you called my bluff, however, i still want you to reply to this, you're not off the hook yet; i can have meta reasoning too yknow.

10characters here.

 

[th3kuzinator]

How are my questions useless if you don't even know what I'm looking for in them. Pretty sure I've been very clear about the inferences I've been making. Your read on me also makes no sense.

You're saying the exact opposite thing Asdioh yet say you're quoting what Asdioh said. Asdioh is saying he agrees with my play but because I am me he is not going to take it as a town tell. You're saying that you dislike the content of my questions but my meta is somehow making you read me as town. Or at least I think that's what you're saying. If so, what meta are you building off of that I would ask pointless questions as town?

You accusing me of lurking is also complete bull. Almost every single second of spare time I have in my day I'm in this thread trying to create discussion. If there is a pause in my posting, its because I'm actually doing something. Like right now I should be writing a paper but I'm here posting instead.

Also I was serious in that question about if you were intentionally trying to change your playstyle to be less open.

And finally has your read of Fynal changed with that ninja?

 

[Kantrip]

Thanks for that post, Soupa. I'm not sure why you didn't post something similar earlier, though.

@Asdioh, did that #165 do anything to affect your read on Soup?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

How are my questions useless if you don't even know what I'm looking for in them. Pretty sure I've been very clear about the inferences I've been making. Your read on me also makes no sense.

You're saying the exact opposite thing Asdioh yet say you're quoting what Asdioh said. Asdioh is saying he agrees with my play but because I am me he is not going to take it as a town tell. You're saying that you dislike the content of my questions but my meta is somehow making you read me as town. Or at least I think that's what you're saying. If so, what meta are you building off of that I would ask pointless questions as town?

You accusing me of lurking is also complete bull. Almost every single second of spare time I have in my day I'm in this thread trying to create discussion. If there is a pause in my posting, its because I'm actually doing something. Like right now I should be writing a paper but I'm here posting instead.

Also I was serious in that question about if you were intentionally trying to change your playstyle to be less open.

And finally has your read of Fynal changed with that ninja?

They would be useless to me if it weren't for you doing them, this is where the meta applies, i would probably have a distinctively null read on anyone else, questions to me are inane unless they actually become of use.

here's where some other meta is coming in, i think i have a good idea what you're looking for, i'm not outting, but i'm pretty confident in what you are trying to do.

i'm not sure where you see my change in play, i'm not trying to hide anything at all or trying to change it.

No, i'm awaiting a reply from fynal.

 

[Asdioh]

Thanks for that post, Soupa. I'm not sure why you didn't post something similar earlier, though.

@Asdioh, did that #165 do anything to affect your read on Soup?

I don't think I've stated my read on him yet, but his 165 makes him seem townier to me. His reads don't seem faked.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Kantrip

Didn't feel the need to, i told you my reads aren't full circle yet, most of what i posted is just face-value and they will change dependant on the content provided.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

ebwop: some.

 

[th3kuzinator]

They would be useless to me if it weren't for you doing them, this is where the meta applies, i would probably have a distinctively null read on anyone else, questions to me are inane unless they actually become of use.

here's where some other meta is coming in, i think i have a good idea what you're looking for, i'm not outting, but i'm pretty confident in what you are trying to do.

i'm not sure where you see my change in play, i'm not trying to hide anything at all or trying to change it.

No, i'm awaiting a reply from fynal.

So anyone else playing like this would be null but since its me you have a town lean. lol

Also I highly highly doubt you even recognize half of what I'm trying to do but I'll leave it at that for now.

Your play pre-165 was very different than the normal town soup. You would just agree with my reasoning and leave it at that. You're usually giving elaborate and thought out posts on why your reads are the way they are which I didn't see. If anything you were committing the lurking style that you accused me of doing: posting a one-liner and then letting others comment on it before giving your sentiments, which is scummy.

 

[Kantrip]

@Asdioh, yeah you haven't shared it. You said it was because you weren't confident in it. After his more recent posts, are you more confident with your town read on him? Your other "not confident" read was RF. Do you think RF looks more scummy now that Soupa looks more townie, by process of elimination? Or do you have other scum reads at the moment?

 

[Fynal]

done with calc, working through stuff now.

I don't agree that soupa vs RF is necessarily TvS. Its obviously not scumbud vs scumbud, but I could easily see it as mafia vs indy or other mafia.

tbh soup i was trying to go for a more reserved playstyle at the start because a lot of good people do and i wanted to live up to that.


now then, in order


<soup>That's the whole point of the metaphor, my read on armor is dull, and conclusively i was being quiet about my reads and wanted to stay quiet about them.

you missed my point, maybe because of my wording. you claimed a "plethora of solid opinions" but gave very few solid opinions and plenty of dull ones.

<soup>that's just using logic, backing up what i said to kuz there is no doubt in my mind that armor and kuz can't be scum together.

my issue is with your wording in 136. you say "X and Y arn't scummates" and back it up with "X and Y will probably turn out to both be town, but I don't actually have a town read on em" which makes it sound like you're thinking "i know theyre both town, but i have no evidence"


<soup>If we are going to talk about such things as no evidence, where is your evidence about what swiss wanted/didn't want to do? it's about as baseless as your meta read on me.

1. my scumread on you is exactly the same with or without meta reasoning. My point was that my meta reasoning, which might cut you some slack given your reputation, does not affect my read.

2.
<soup> kuz isn't scum with armor, and will most likely be town (136)
<swiss> hey soup, i think kuz is scum, but you don't, so you don't like fynal right? (137)
<soup> oh yeah i don't like fynal. hey swiss, kuz+fynal scumteam? (138)
<swiss> *votes soup with gif*

it looks prty damn obvious that swiss was looking for that response. I could be just an idiot but i doubt it.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I swear to god if Kantrip asks the same question I do before me again I might have to claim masons with him.

/not a crumb

But ****'s uncanny. On the save wavelength.

 

[th3kuzinator]

That post looks much more like the townFynal I know.

 

[Kantrip]

Kuz, no joke here, but the same thing happened to me. I was typing up a question and then I see your post appear with the same question on it.

@Fynal, I saw that too, between Swiss and Soup. That's the conversation that just didn't seem right to me. Looking at it again (and taking into account Soup's recent posts), it looks like Swiss was leading Soup into posting what he did and then pouncing on him. Quite opportunistic. Soupa's play has done a complete turnaround for me, too.

Unvote

Vote: Rad Fic

 

[Fynal]

RF definitely was looking for soup having weak reads. what I can't come to a conclusion on though is if its him scumhunting or weaktownhunting.

 

[Armor]

School from morning till "OMG THE THREAD IS HUGE" sucks. Catchup time.

Post here. No longer inactive.

Expecting to see Armor unvote ASAP.

Vote: Armor just in case - but I'll take it off when he unvotes.

unvote
Swiss is too funny to vote.
Armor has lost the will to fight!

@armor: what made you decide to vote for RF over july or gova? they were all just about equally inactive iirc

*JUST defeated by Ryker's and Gova's inactivity.* *didn't realize gova was in this game.*
Vote: Gova
Inactivity is my enemy!

@Armor, Fynal: What's your read on Soup?

He was playing very reserved, which doesn't seem like the townsoup I know.

@Kantrip: ? Though it may seem opportunistic, doesn't the point of it remain valid?

 

[Kantrip]

@Armor, I'm not sure. What do you consider to be the "point" of it? I'm probably not seeing it through Swiss' eyes, I've got no meta to go off of.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Fynal leaning town.

I want to say the same for Soup but there is still something off about 165 that I can't quite put my finger on. Even though the reads looked genuine one the first time through, I realized that there was pretty much no other addition to the read list that there wasn't already available in thread except Asdioh's which he sort of elaborated on.

Soup can you clarify your read on Kantrip for me. Despite saying he was town you say you have an IGMEOY at the end. That and when Kantrip first accused you of sitting on fences you told him that his accusation was not warranted because there had been others who had been way more inactive than you. Now you flip that and say he's town because of that accusation because it was warranted. That change doesn't look legitamate.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Armor are you literally just going to vote based on inactivity when we have 8 days till deadline? Was your RF unvote based on anything that the slot actually posted or is it just because he actually posted something? Have you fully caught up?

Glad I'm not the only one who saw the shift in Soup's play.

 

[Armor]

@Armor, I'm not sure. What do you consider to be the "point" of it? I'm probably not seeing it through Swiss' eyes, I've got no meta to go off of.

Uh... the point was to see if Soup would just automatically hop onto his opinion. Scumtell?
/doridori

 

[th3kuzinator]

Well in retrospect I did put my finger on it.

Oh well.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

So anyone else playing like this would be null but since its me you have a town lean. lol

Also I highly highly doubt you even recognize half of what I'm trying to do but I'll leave it at that for now.

Your play pre-165 was very different than the normal town soup. You would just agree with my reasoning and leave it at that. You're usually giving elaborate and thought out posts on why your reads are the way they are which I didn't see. If anything you were committing the lurking style that you accused me of doing: posting a one-liner and then letting others comment on it before giving your sentiments, which is scummy.

Yep

Agreed, we'll see.

So i wanted to lurk for a moment, sue me, you're heavily relying on my play being different here, and i cannot understand why, you are pushing this "town-soup would do this" far too much to the point where i have to crack for a moment or else you'll probably get a hissyfit about it, i would prefer to go back to what i was doing.

 

[Asdioh]

I swear to god if Kantrip asks the same question I do before me again I might have to claim masons with him.

/not a crumb

But ****'s uncanny. On the save wavelength.

You were going to ask me questions about Soup as well?

@Asdioh, yeah you haven't shared it. You said it was because you weren't confident in it. After his more recent posts, are you more confident with your town read on him? Your other "not confident" read was RF. Do you think RF looks more scummy now that Soupa looks more townie, by process of elimination? Or do you have other scum reads at the moment?

I've had this tab open for a while, but basically I think Soup is town, as I always do. I used to always think he was scum, but after he flipped town infinity+1 times, I always think he's town.
Am I wrong? I don't know. afk watching ghost in the shell

 

[Armor]

Armor are you literally just going to vote based on inactivity when we have 8 days till deadline? Was your RF unvote based on anything that the slot actually posted or is it just because he actually posted something? Have you fully caught up?

Glad I'm not the only one who saw the shift in Soup's play.

The unvote was b/c of activity. I'm not just going to vote inactives, but I REALLY ****ing hate inactivity after straight-up being beaten by it. It's a sore spot atm.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i really need sleep. expect late responses or none at all.

night.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Yep

Agreed, we'll see.

So i wanted to lurk for a moment, sue me, you're heavily relying on my play being different here, and i cannot understand why, you are pushing this "town-soup would do this" far too much to the point where i have to crack for a moment or else you'll probably get a hissyfit about it, i would prefer to go back to what i was doing.

Because it has allowed me to read you correctly 100% of the time prior to this. If I have a tell that I think indicates your alignment I sure as hell will give importance to it.

That being said you're wrong in saying I've been pushing this too hard. I hadn't even mentioned it until 155, which was only 35 posts ago.

What do you mean by going back to what you were doing. You were doing something?

 

[th3kuzinator]

You were going to ask me questions about Soup as well?

I was going to ask you exactly the same question he posed, yes.

It is the logical progression, but I just found it uncanny that he beat me to voicing it first.

 

[Asdioh]

Logical progression?? Where can I get some of that?

 

[th3kuzinator]

The unvote was b/c of activity. I'm not just going to vote inactives, but I REALLY ****ing hate inactivity after straight-up being beaten by it. It's a sore spot atm.

If you mean Pokemafia didn't you lynch inactives in that game and get bitten in the *** for doing so?

If anything that game should have taught you to hunt for scum, not wait to the last minute and shrug the lynch off on inactives.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

God damn there's a lot to quote and I easily don't have time for this, but time to wave through this all,

Mr. The T. Koopa gets the embodiment of all my hatred and scumreads for being a little peasant girl who does drugs in his spare time. But I suppose I may give a benefit of the doubt to one who smokes like "a ****ing dragon" in his spare time. I will wait until he starts amassing substantial walls of text that can be summed up in three or less sentences, then I will analyze him from there.

First off, stop calling me a lady, that would displease wife very much. I knew you were Bisexual just as with your cousin.
Second off, I don't always post quote walls. Depends on how I feel this gam- Wait, this is a quote wall, ****, moving on!

@FM, Koopa, Armor: I'm sure you're familiar with the term RVS. Why have you not placed your vote anywhere?

Normally I'd say "Late last night, didn't feel into it" but this would go under "We're out of RVS" at least, I'm pretty sure we are.

Where are your warm and fluffy posts, Little Peasant Girl? What are your current reads? Do you like candlelight dinners and long walks on the beach? Will you be my wife?

Not feeling in the useless question or screwing around mood but:
Here!
Also here!
Depends.
Stop cheating.

indicative of being busy

Four words.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13356402&postcount=104

I didn't ask before because I thought you were just playing around but have you had an prior experience playing with Koopa because of your continual reference? If not, where is that originating from? You also say that you don't much approve of RVS votes but this post seems to be RVS more than anything else as you indicate that his fluffy posts don't bother you. I don't even really agree with the sentiment that TTK is has been fluffing, he just hasn't posted much and the times he has posted have been mostly made of RVS responses.

I do expect some content from him upon his return, though.

Content delivered.

Though, wouldn't this more go under RQS rather than RVS?

Vote: TheThirdKoopa

Hello there. What do you think of Soupamario's play thus far? Would you be willing to lynch Radical Fiction if he continues to be useless?

Hiya. Soup's play is pretty meh, I need more to get a solid read. The content doesn't really astound me and it's leaning to a very slight scum read. If he continues to be useless? Depends on everyone else. If I can't seem to find much reason to lynch anyone else, then yes.

i would vote either TTK or Fynal right now, but we still have july and Gova to yet to do anything, i'd rather wait like everyone else and go back into lurking mode.

"I would vote TTK even though he was only just responding to RQS" wait what.

Elaborate on how you don't like Fynal's content. My interest has piqued.

I want to give them a chance to give their own reads, without being biased by seeing the reads of others first.

Sure. Granted, these are pretty short since it's only been 24 hours, but so far?

Kuz seems pretty town, I'm feeling you (Asdioh) as town, Soup I've elaborated, feeling something on gut from Kantrip (interesting enough to keep an eye over), Not enough content from a few players stated over and over (Where's Gova and July?) as it's mostly the same ones, and FM's doing his usual screwing around on D1.

Unvote

Vote: Rad Fic

Wait why?
What did I miss?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Logical progression?? Where can I get some of that?

Your local convenience store. It usually on the shelf right next to the the condoms, god knows why.

 

[Armor]

If you mean Pokemafia didn't you lynch inactives in that game and get bitten in the *** for doing so?

If anything that game should have taught you to hunt for scum, not wait to the last minute and shrug the lynch off on inactives.

Ragnarok, my only game. Where scum sat on there ***** and said almost nothing except where one scum made a small case on me. That was the game. We lynched people who said scummy stuff, in other words, townies.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Totally meant to say Ragnarok. But didn't you guys lynch Dark Horse who was really inactive and scum dogpiled him at the end of D2? I do remember the Soup and RR lynches were just because they were scummy though.

Okay so not the best game to explain my concept but let me tell you the outcome of RO was mostly because of the lack of good town play. Honestly in a game where town has there **** together, lynching scum is way more important than lynching inactives especially if we have plenty time to find our lynch. I've already done more here than the entire town did in all of RO so don't worry about bad town play.

Do you think Gova is coasting scum or do you just think he's inactive?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Got what I wanted from you kuz, thanks.

Alright, fynal, ill get to you soon or tommorow, most likely tommorow.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I have supplied whatever it was that was just delivered.

I feel like doing some jumping jacks.