Awkward Moments Mafia - Game over! Scum wins! Will a SD game ever see a town victory?

[Fynal]

@kuz: i agree with yer reasoning on asdioh, his reprimand was good, however immediately apologizing for text wall when he really didn't need to and saying "thx 4 starting discussion bro" are 2 things that strike bad chords with me.

as for my null FM read, all my attempted reads have been reachy so he's null

 

[th3kuzinator]

Fair enough.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@Soup: Thoughts on this response and subsequent read on FragMental if you have one.

Null lean town.

The semantics presented by frag seem townie to me and I like the logic he has.

I also agree with your town read on asdioh, but what's your read on fynal?

Ttk, which person are you most interested in seeing more from?

 

[Armor]

@Asdioh, Armor: Can I get your read on Frag please?

Null-leaning town, mostly because he's doing something. Will probably change dramatically in both directions in at least half of toDay.

@Armor: are you willing to vote to pressure an inactive D1? how long to they have to be inactive to be considered "inactive"?

This long.
Vote: RadicalFiction
Bro, no way in HELL am I letting this slide again.

@FM, Koopa, Armor: I'm sure you're familiar with the term RVS. Why have you not placed your vote anywhere?

Why not until now...? Hmmm... I didn't have a particular reason, really. Rather, I didn't have a reason to vote. I realize RVS, but don't care.

@Armor/FragMental, thethirdkoopa's posts look really fluffy to me at the moment. What are your opinions of this?

3K has posts? Ahaha. I probably won't look into any of the posts before serious mode, except maybe votes.
/doridori

 

[Radical Fiction]

Post here. No longer inactive.

Expecting to see Armor unvote ASAP.

Vote: Armor just in case - but I'll take it off when he unvotes.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Null lean town.

The semantics presented by frag seem townie to me and I like the logic he has.

I also agree with your town read on asdioh, but what's your read on fynal?

Ttk, which person are you most interested in seeing more from?

I agree with your frag read. He didn't seem bothered about answering my joke question (once he realized it was a joke) about smoke signals which I feel a player new to the site would be hesitant about responding to. Slight lean.

Fynal is null. Some of his earlier posts seemed strangely curt and superfluous to what was going on at the time but I like his recent stuff. His 81 felt much better.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Soup: Thoughts on Armor and RF.

@Gova: Thoughts on Kantrip.

@RF:The culprit sighed as he shook his head in disapproval. Was this all the figure had to offer? For all the talk about about escaping his prison, he was certainly putting up a very weak effort to do anything.

The culprit wondered about the exchange between the fictitious lunatic and the suit of metal. Something was surely off there ... but what...?ß

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I...like armor? I'm not sure with armor, quite yet, I want to call him town but I want to eat my own words.

I like his "okay guys serious time" but when I look at his posts they're not as serious as they seem, I want to see what armor will be doing before I make a legit judgement.

Same goes here, his vote on armor seems warranted, but I know I'm going to be able to drag an explanation out of them.

 

[th3kuzinator]

What about RF's vote seems warranted?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

He's using his scare tactics to get a read out of him, is what I'm reading as far as the reason for the vote, unless he has other motive.

 

[Asdioh]

@Armor: are you willing to vote to pressure an inactive D1? how long to they have to be inactive to be considered "inactive"?

same to Asdioh, after Armor answers

Hoping armor answered by now... my answer is maybe. Making it clear that the vote is for "pressure" defeats the purpose.
How long? Depends... if they declare V/LA for a certain length of time, then there's nothing we can do about it. If the deadline is a few days away, and they've barely done anything for no apparent reason, then I consider them inactive.

Asdioh's #61 doesn't stand out to me at all, it seems pretty legitimate. I read Pokemafia so I understand where he's coming from wrt the D1 lynch fiasco that happened there. I also agree with the sentiment of lynching potential scum inactives over town reads. I don't know why he asked if the idea was scummy, though.

On that note: @Asdioh, why did you feel the need to ask if the idea presented in your post was scummy? You seem to already know from experience that it's not.

I wrote that post with the intention of asking a question, then realized I couldn't come up with a good question and just asked it anyway. I mostly just wanted to get peoples thoughts on the matter, so I can know if a hypothetical inactive lynch would be possible, if it came to that.

@Kantrip
IMO lynching an inactive rarely makes sense D1. The big problem D1 is that town has no information to start off of. If you lynch an inactive it gains you some tiny bit of info (their alignment) but if you lynch an active, even if they end up being town at least you get a lot of information: you can look back at what they did and who they interacted with and how in light of you knowing their alignment. And determine other people's alignments based off that and move forward.

So no, i don't think lynching inactives D1 is a good idea.

In theory, yeah, but how often do you see a townie lynched D1, and then scum are pinned from that due to "information?" It happens sometimes, but on D1 lynches, I rarely can distinguish scum trying to get a ML from town who legitimately thought they were getting scum.

 

[Asdioh]

I mostly agree with this, but if town is struggling for a lynch and there simply isn't enough support to lynch a scummy active player in time, lynching inactive deadweight is your best option.

Any lynch is > no lynch.

NL D1 is stupid as hell lol

Aside from NL situations like when there are 3 town/1 scum remaining, I thought D1 would be the only time a NL might make sense. Connections are great and all, but D1 lynches are ALMOST always town, which just lowers the number of phases scum needs to win.

I might just be paranoid after moderating Pokemafia. The D1 lynch made me want to bash my head into a wall. People didn't even look at "connections" after that happened, either.

 

[Asdioh]

@Asdioh, Armor: Can I get your read on Frag please?

65, 66, and 68 are the only things I can see being townie. The rest are just fluff.

 

[Asdioh]

Because of the experience Asdioh himself has had with being thrown under a bus,

I'm not sure what you're talking about here.

ß

ß

This long.
Vote: RadicalFiction
Bro, no way in HELL am I letting this slide again.

Post here. No longer inactive.

Expecting to see Armor unvote ASAP.

Vote: Armor just in case - but I'll take it off when he unvotes.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Touhou mafia.

 

[Asdioh]

Oh, ok. "Bus" in mafia usually makes me think of scummates bussing you, not being incorrect reading someone because they had an INNOCENT on them and there were ALREADY TWO FLIPPED INDIES

Writing this on a terrible looking pure-white skin, gj smashboards

 

[th3kuzinator]

Aside from NL situations like when there are 3 town/1 scum remaining, I thought D1 would be the only time a NL might make sense. Connections are great and all, but D1 lynches are ALMOST always town, which just lowers the number of phases scum needs to win.

I might just be paranoid after moderating Pokemafia. The D1 lynch made me want to bash my head into a wall. People didn't even look at "connections" after that happened, either.

Any lynch is always better than a NL. Except mylo sometimes. D1 no lynches are absolute crap and a dead townie + connections > no connections. Always.

Pokemafia was literally just a great example of town playing terribly. That shouldn't be used as an example to argue mafia theory. That D1 lynch was horrible and players didn't read back for connections but it could have been done had the town done anything right.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh, ok. "Bus" in mafia usually makes me think of scummates bussing you, not being incorrect reading someone because they had an INNOCENT on them and there were ALREADY TWO FLIPPED INDIES

Writing this on a terrible looking pure-white skin, gj smashboards

I didn't mean to relate the term "thrown under a bus (ie, ****ed over)" to a scummate bus.

@SDO: Do you agree with Soup's sentiments in 90?

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Frag: I want my 70 answered.

@Kantrip: General musings/scum reads.

 

[Asdioh]

Any lynch is always better than a NL. Except mylo sometimes. D1 no lynches are absolute crap and a dead townie + connections > no connections. Always.

Pokemafia was literally just a great example of town playing terribly. That shouldn't be used as an example to argue mafia theory. That D1 lynch was horrible and players didn't read back for connections but it could have been done had the town done anything right.

yeah they coulda caught ryker :3 he was literally fine with any lynch that wasn't his own hehe.

I didn't mean to relate the term "thrown under a bus (ie, ****ed over)" to a scummate bus.

@SDO: Do you agree with Soup's sentiments in 90?

ah ok.

no comment on Soup's 90 just yet.

It would be nice if July was here. I have a feeling she's going to do a catchup-esque post that's gonna be really long and make me feel like she's town, regardless of what her alignment may be.
@July: I challenge you to multipost responding to whatever you may, instead of doing it all in one huge post. Those are much easier for me to read :D

 

[Kantrip]

Also, you may have missed it, but I asked for your thoughts on Armor.

Yeah, I must have missed that. My read on Armor is pretty null right now.

As to your latest post:

I like you and Asdioh so far. You're both posting some reasonable scum-hunting and keeping activity up in a pro-town direction. I don't like how thethirdkoopa has only posted fluff. Other reads are generally null with slight leans either way that need more data before they're solid reads.

 

[Kantrip]

I don't much like Soupa's #88, shown below:

I...like armor? I'm not sure with armor, quite yet, I want to call him town but I want to eat my own words.

I like his "okay guys serious time" but when I look at his posts they're not as serious as they seem, I want to see what armor will be doing before I make a legit judgement.

Same goes here, his vote on armor seems warranted, but I know I'm going to be able to drag an explanation out of them.

This post looks like fake contributing. Stating his town read in armor with a question mark and being very on the fence. This could validate non-commitment and wish-washiness in the future if left unnoticed. The one post Soup liked was the same one he viewed as possibly scummy.

Everything in this post just creates WIFOM scenarios in my eyes. Enough so to warrant an Unvote from my RVS vote and a Vote: Soupamario.

@Soup, give me something you're committed too. I'd like to see if you've formed any solid opinions yet.

 

[Asdioh]

I forgot to mention that we probably have less room to lynch inactives, since this is only an 11 player game. At the same time, that's less people that will likely be inactive, so hopefully we won't need to worry about it.

 

[FragMental]

Will have sporadic replies, but will definitely answer the questions previously asked... Performing Mod duties on a cluster**** of a setup on another site at the moment.

@FM: What can you tell about the relationship between the alignments of Armor and myself based on 59?

Doesn't really say much in the way of alignments to me at the moment. But at consolation's value, you're rubbing off behavioral-wise on him from what I gather.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I never stated a read on armor, or even a town one, he's null.

As far as solid opinions stand, I have a plethora of them, why are you saying I'm fencesitting when half of the players have yet to talk and the game just started?

 

[FragMental]

@FM, Koopa, Armor: I'm sure you're familiar with the term RVS. Why have you not placed your vote anywhere?

I dislike RVS from a logical standpoint even though it is necessary to produce such derived logic. But that is a matter of my personal taste.

Vote: thethirdkoopa

Where are your warm and fluffy posts, Little Peasant Girl? What are your current reads? Do you like candlelight dinners and long walks on the beach? Will you be my wife?

 

[FragMental]

@Armor/FragMental, thethirdkoopa's posts look really fluffy to me at the moment. What are your opinions of this?

My fair lady and future wife's posts are always fluff. The real golden target, the bull's eye, is what intent you decipher from that fluff. However, she usually talks too much, so her quietness is either indicative of being busy or reminiscent of her fencesitting-like-a-scumbag scummeta.

 

[Kantrip]

Sorry Soup, I'll rephrase: stating that he wants to believe armor is town.

If you have a plethora of solid reads, why don't you share some in order to progress the game? So far I've read your posts as being a little overly cautious to be town. I'd like to be proven wrong, though.

 

[Fynal]

@armor: what made you decide to vote for RF over july or gova? they were all just about equally inactive iirc

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I have no interest in sharing a read that hasn't gone full circle, I told you that I do not have enough content from armor to have a legitimate read, even though I want to say he is town, but I'm not going to rely on such a dull read.

 

[Fynal]

@soup: whats yer strongest scum and/or town read?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

My strongest town read is Asdioh.

I don't have a scum read yet, just nulls.

 

[Radical Fiction]

See nothing useful to comment on.

 

[th3kuzinator]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13356402&postcount=104

@Soup: Can you answer the question I posed to FM in this post.

I dislike RVS from a logical standpoint even though it is necessary to produce such derived logic. But that is a matter of my personal taste.

Vote: thethirdkoopa

Where are your warm and fluffy posts, Little Peasant Girl? What are your current reads? Do you like candlelight dinners and long walks on the beach? Will you be my wife?

I didn't ask before because I thought you were just playing around but have you had an prior experience playing with Koopa because of your continual reference? If not, where is that originating from? You also say that you don't much approve of RVS votes but this post seems to be RVS more than anything else as you indicate that his fluffy posts don't bother you. I don't even really agree with the sentiment that TTK is has been fluffing, he just hasn't posted much and the times he has posted have been mostly made of RVS responses.

I do expect some content from him upon his return, though.

@armor: what made you decide to vote for RF over july or gova? they were all just about equally inactive iirc

I second this question.

@Armor, Fynal: What's your read on Soup?

@RF: I don't believe you. There is plenty of information in the thread to comment on. I specifically asked you two questions before this that I want answered. I also want to know what you think about Kantrip's 102 and Soup's 110

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I find armor's thought that you might have mod-confirmed information of a townie null, it personally shouldn't concern you seeing how it was a direct question at you that which we all knew was hypothetical banter.

to carry with on with this..

why do you think Armor felt that way? or do you not think he was thinking that at all, just joking?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i'm going to ask you your read on armor too, do you agree that there are some town motivation in his words or that it's just a big pot of bull****?

 

[th3kuzinator]

But what does his assumption of my hypothetical banter say about our alignments?

I think Armor legitimately felt I had mod-confirmed scum information. Do you disagree with this?

Armor, as I've already said, is null. There haven't been many indicators of either alignment that I've been able to pick up. I was just interested in seeing if anyone had taken any information away from that post, which no one seems to have done.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

**** yes that's a ballin retor-

ahem.

I don't think both of you could be scum, i think it's more likely you're both town, or one of the other.

And your second question poses as to why i think Armor is townie, and that the reactions between you two and what you did possibly can't align with a scum basis, i find it incredibly pointless for scum to set something up like that and i find it incredibly pointless for armor to even think you were being serious, if he did.

 

[th3kuzinator]

**** yes that's a ballin retor-

ahem.

I don't think both of you could be scum, i think it's more likely you're both town, or one of the other.

And your second question poses as to why i think Armor is townie, and that the reactions between you two and what you did possibly can't align with a scum basis, i find it incredibly pointless for scum to set something up like that and i find it incredibly pointless for armor to even think you were being serious, if he did.

Ding ding ding. Soup actually made a correct inference.

However I don't see why you're getting Armor is town from that.

What should be drawn from this is: Armor and myself aren't scummates and if Armor is scum RadFic isn't.

 

[th3kuzinator]

EBWOP: What should be drawn from this is: Armor and myself aren't scummates and if Armor is scum RadFic isn't and vice-versa*