Awkward Moments Mafia - Game over! Scum wins! Will a SD game ever see a town victory?

[July]

I possess the ability to read him better than anyone else here, I'd think. As for confidence... I would ordain a sufficient amount is in order for knowing him personally enough.

I do believe I have a pretty good confidence at reading over his Meta at least more than anyone else here.

Kk, I ask that you keep an eye on each other then and provide updated reads on each other every now and then.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

But you're not another married/dating couple, right?

We're not. Besides, he's married anyways.

Move this to PM's but mind if I ask "Another?"

Kk, I ask that you keep an eye on each other then and provide updated reads on each other every now and then.

Sure.

 

[July]

Alright, reads:

Kuz- Town. He’s gotten this game going and kept it going; he’s asked questions of literally everyone on the player list and which he’s followed up on. He’s clearly scumhunting and pushing his reads such as Soup, and I have no issues with his play so far. Like Asdioh and Gova have pointed out however, Kuz is really good regardless of alignment so while he’s a town read I’ll remain cautious of him.

Soup- Leaning scum. His #88 is convoluted and he dances around a read on armor, using a lot of words to say he’s null. However, he does the opposite with RF, and despite being asked about them he doesn’t give a read and avoids confronting them at all about their reads even though he expresses interest in their vote on armor. However in his #105 he states that he never gave a read on armor, which doesn’t make sense; #88 clearly provides a read, although a convoluted one, on armor. After that he focused a lot on armor, from his lack of a read on him to townie null to a town vibe. As for his #165, the thing that stands out most to me is that he uses meta to justify his Kuz read in a game where Kuz already has 59 posts and plenty of content to base a read on.

Asdioh- Town. He tried to give the thread direction early on during the drugs/mod-confirmed information tangent the thread got into, his caution with Kuz and policy towards inactives I understand even if I don’t agree, and he got an important conversation going about people’s policies on inactives. I also liked that he gave some reads like his #93 talking about Frag, but that he waited until after Gova, thirdkoopa and I posted a bit to dig into his reads. Since we’ve posted he has provided his scum reads and they seem legit, although I think a cop on Kuz would be more useful than a cop on Gova. Without a cop on Kuz we’ll all be freaking paranoid all game.

FragMental: Slight town lean. Early discussion involving mod confirmed information hypothetical situation didn’t provide much that would help me get a read on him. He was very open with his read on Kuz and thirdkoopa, and his dislike of RVS he provided a reasonable explanation for. Would like to hear more in the way of reads from him however.

Kantrip: Leaning town. Starts off right away with some good questions in his #73, which is a good sign. He’s been direct with his scumhunting as well with providing his reads in his #101 and #102. Most importantly, I really like that when asked about his read on Soup, he’s been direct about it and how his read has changed, which shows that he’s actually taking in information and analyzing it to form reads consistently.

Armor: Slight scum lean. Immediately I noticed Armor’s #67, where he says that lynching inactives is fine. While I agree that lynching inactives can be appropriate, making a blanket statement about lynching inactives worries me because as someone pointed out, inactivity has nothing to do with alignment, so lynching inactives for the sake of lynching inactives should be avoided if possible. His #181 seems really weak and fluffy, and since then there’s been nothing from him. I want more activity from him and some scum reads when he posts again.

Thethirdkoopa- Null. There really hasn’t been much from him, other than the back and forth with FragMental. His #237 is a good start and I understand being, as he said, “uncomforted” with newer places/players but I would like to see more content/reads from him soon.

RF- Null. I haven’t seen anything significant from them, including the RF v. Soup interaction many people have commented on but I don’t see much from the RF side in terms of content at all. Definitely the player slot I want to see more from the most.

Gova- Slight, slight town lean. He only has 5 posts but I was pleasantly surprised by his #230, he jumped in and asked some legit questions and provided a read. Need more from him but he’s started off well.


@thethirdkoopa: There have been quite a few couples who have been involved in DGames. Tandora and hidajiremi are married, Nabe and Oki are a couple, and Ranmaru and I are a couple (although Ran just retired from DGames so ;-

 

[July]

EBWOP: Face at the end of my lasy post was supposed to be upset/crying face like this ----> ; - ;

 

[th3kuzinator]

Overslept for class like a boss. Have a few minutes to write this before my next one.

I agree with SDO that I like July's catchup. She seems very open about her stances and isn't trying to specifically censor anything. Openness is her biggest town tell as she's usually very caught up in maintaining appearances as scum moreso than just being honest. She's town.

@July: Your reads mirror mine for the most part except like RF and Gova. However you didn't mentioned Fynal. Do you have a specific reason for this or did you just forget to include him? Can I get your read on him as well?

@Koopa: Mayling and Mcfox, two players who used to play here, were engaged and they spent long amounts of time flirting in thread which got annoying.

-dead- @ 232. Wtf guys you give me way too much credit.

@Gova: Fynal was town in Kittens v Domokuns which I read in its entirety.

I did notice that RadFic was in the thread last night but he didn't post. I find it odd that the slot is stalling this much, especially since Swiss usually doesn't give a **** to say whats on his mind even if he isn't caught up. Want to see what they have to say and Soup's response to Fyanl + others before I decide where I'm going. Probably going to be one of the two above mentioned.

 

[Armor]

To start off...
unvote

Now, scumreads, as per request:
Soup: He's playing VERY differently then when I saw him play town, and he jumped onto RF's opinion all buddy-buddy. But when I think about reading Soup scum, I feel like it's what RF wants me to think.
Radical Fiction: Though I don't see him scum with soup at this point, pulling the stunt he did and then next to vanishing seems like a way to leave suspicion on soup and just stall until a lynch comes from it.
Koopa: Gut feeling.

 

[Gova]

Oh, right. I forgot about KvD because it was so short. I guess I'll go take a peek.

 

[Fynal]

I re-read asdioh specifically, null-town read now.

Previously I didn't like him saying (in #63) "thx for starting discussion kuz" without giving a read, that feels really bad, but in context it looks ok.

asdioh has had a number of recent posts (162, 164, etc) that are specifically not giving reads, which is probably why I was under the impression he hadn't been posting much, because he didn't say much.

@asdioh's 229: no it was a town slot lol. Obviously b/c i was scum i thought it was great but yeah

@asdioh's 229 content: Concrete reads are a little lacking, but ok.

@asdioh: If toDay were ending very soon, who would you push for lynch?

must go through july's stuff when I get home, free period ends in 4 minutes

 

[July]

@July: Your reads mirror mine for the most part except like RF and Gova. However you didn't mentioned Fynal. Do you have a specific reason for this or did you just forget to include him? Can I get your read on him as well?

That was a mistake, my bad Fynal.

My read on Fynal is leaning town. I've never played with him before but he seems to be an analytical player, and I liked his response to both Asdioh's question about inacitivity and mine about lurking. He's also been quick to question your reasoning, such as Asdioh's #63 being a town tell, and the fact that he's now looking into Asdioh because it seems like he's not just scumhunting but looking for intent as well.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Vote: Soupamario

And now we wait.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Armor: Since you say they can't be scum together, which of RF or Soup is most likely to pop scum?

 

[Fynal]

V/LA this weekend

college aps eat so much time and i really really really need to start... will read/post when i can

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@thethirdkoopa: There have been quite a few couples who have been involved in DGames. Tandora and hidajiremi are married, Nabe and Oki are a couple, and Ranmaru and I are a couple (although Ran just retired from DGames so ;-

Tanny's married to hida and Nabe's with Oki? Whoo, did not know this.

 

[Swiss]

Since we're taking heat for it, we have a posting restriction limiting us to not posting on our hydra...

so stfu plz

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

done with calc, working through stuff now.

I don't agree that soupa vs RF is necessarily TvS. Its obviously not scumbud vs scumbud, but I could easily see it as mafia vs indy or other mafia.

tbh soup i was trying to go for a more reserved playstyle at the start because a lot of good people do and i wanted to live up to that.


now then, in order


<soup>That's the whole point of the metaphor, my read on armor is dull, and conclusively i was being quiet about my reads and wanted to stay quiet about them.

you missed my point, maybe because of my wording. you claimed a "plethora of solid opinions" but gave very few solid opinions and plenty of dull ones.

that's the whole point of staying quiet, how can i give reads i have not outted any, i was hinting directly (or at least trying to) that i was being less open for a reason.

<soup>that's just using logic, backing up what i said to kuz there is no doubt in my mind that armor and kuz can't be scum together.

my issue is with your wording in 136. you say "X and Y arn't scummates" and back it up with "X and Y will probably turn out to both be town, but I don't actually have a town read on em" which makes it sound like you're thinking "i know theyre both town, but i have no evidence"

Using logic, and my current reads (which was LEANING TOWN on KUZ and FEELING TOWN on ARMOR but didn't have that much of a solid read on him), there is no way armor and kuz are scum-mates, not with that interaction, and the most reasonable solution is both of them being town because that's what my read lies to it be being so, my gut is more with armor, but i'm confident with the little stunt i pulled to get a more solid on kuz worked.

<soup>If we are going to talk about such things as no evidence, where is your evidence about what swiss wanted/didn't want to do? it's about as baseless as your meta read on me.

1. my scumread on you is exactly the same with or without meta reasoning. My point was that my meta reasoning, which might cut you some slack given your reputation, does not affect my read.

2.
<soup> kuz isn't scum with armor, and will most likely be town (136)
<swiss> hey soup, i think kuz is scum, but you don't, so you don't like fynal right? (137)
<soup> oh yeah i don't like fynal. hey swiss, kuz+fynal scumteam? (138)
<swiss> *votes soup with gif*

it looks prty damn obvious that swiss was looking for that response. I could be just an idiot but i doubt it.

I believe you are misinterpreting what i wanted, and you are not understanding that there was no ploy, no trap, nothing.

i was trying to bait a read from swiss, by giving a loaded question he either had to put up or shut up, he did neither then merely dissapeared, and thus why i was like "reasoning with swiss? how stupid am i?"

i'm currently dumbfounded why he won't explain actions and put the vote on me, it makes no sense.

10characters here.

 

[th3kuzinator]

@Soup: 183.

Nothing in Soup's 255 changed my mind. I was largely unimpressed with that response, actually. Also, Soup, in 255 you defend yourself from Fynal's point that you were being shady with reads by saying "I want hinting directly that I was being less open for a reason." However when I specifically asked you in 155 if you had tried to change any part of your playstyle for a specific purpose (because I had noticed you play much differently than normal), you responded with

i'm not sure where you see my change in play, i'm not trying to hide anything at all or trying to change it.

which directly contradicts what you just said above. Gross.

@Armor: 198. Specifically what you think about Gova because you havn't clarified.

@RF: Cut the ****.

@MOD: Is there any punishment for a player not posting on their hydra?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Unvote; Vote: Soupamario

 

[th3kuzinator]

"I want hinting directly that I was being less open for a reason."[/B]

EBWOP: "i was hinting directly (or at least trying to) that i was being less open for a reason."

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

what part of gambit do you not understand?

are you a fan of LAL all of the sudden kuz?

 

[th3kuzinator]

The part where you never implied it was a gambit then or now.

When did I ever say I wanted to lynch you based on LAL? I dislike the contradiction but I've expressed dislike about you as a whole numerous times. Also, 183.

 

[Asdioh]

@asdioh: If toDay were ending very soon, who would you push for lynch?

I would lynch RF no contest. The slot doesn't feel right at all, and I know they're capable of better.

Since we're taking heat for it, we have a posting restriction limiting us to not posting on our hydra...

so stfu plz

I have a voting restriction limiting my vote to slots that aren't posting on their hydras.

 

[Asdioh]

@Kuz: why do I have a townread on Soup but a scumread on RF?
Why am I asking you?

Spoiler

Because I'm not quite sure, myself.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Because you have the phlegm.

I'd be down to go RF if I can't have Soup but I really want Soup.

Why do you have a town read on him?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i responded to 183.

why do you think i said "got what i wanted, thanks kuz"?

i didn't want you quick-sheeping me because i know you look for my town-tells, if i were to cut them out and play different, i would be able to read without the quick "yeah soup town."

that was to solidify a better read, you town-told many times in this, such like your hesitance to vote me and actually confront me instead of just calling me scum, the way you approached me seemed townie but i needed a deal-seal.

 

[Asdioh]

Why do you have a scumread on him? :mistyface:

Earlier you said something about obvtown Soup or something, but was that just sarcasm?

I seem to have a habit of defaulting people to town if I'm satisfied with their posting. I also have a bad habit of liking people who call me town, because I'm like "I know this guy has at least one read correct "

 

[Fynal]

@soup's 255:

@"that's the whole point of staying quiet..."

if you actually have a gambit going here, ok. I didn't catch the hint but maybe i just didn't get it. I expect a detailed explanation soon, including why you needed to give no reads and claim no changes in playstyle, whenever it gets you what you want.

@"Using logic, and my current reads (which was LEANING TOWN on KUZ and FEELING TOWN on ARMOR"

leaning town kuz and feeling town armor? that'd make it not look bad, though i seem to remember your reads being more hesitant. can you link a few posts?

@"I believe you are misinterpreting what i wanted..."

so you're saying you were trying to bait a read from swiss? can you explain a little more how you were intending to do so?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Town read on asdioh for the interaction he gave me with the question i presented him, i liked it and it was a very grilling question, he gave a very straight forward answer and it made me laugh, and his posts afterwards just backed it even more, his little detail or explanation as to why what we were doing (you were talking about questions and drugs and mod-confirmations and ****) seems like he cared about which way town was being directed.

Fragmental is lean town, for reasons stated to you.

You are lean town. i find your questions to be completely useless and to quote asdioh if it was anyone else i would take it with less of a grain of salt, you're lucky i'm using meta on you because that's what it boils down to.

Kantrip is town, i find his attack on me for fence-sitting both warranted and i like what he has to say. this read is more of a static read and IGMEOY for kantrip.

Armor feels townie to me, i can't shake this but i'm struggling with this read at the moment, i'm dying for content from this person.

TTK is the fattest null i could get, absolutely nothing worth of merit and to credit asdioh, i like his vote on him/her.

RF is Null, they won't tell me their intentions and i tried getting them to choke up and give me a read but slammed it back in my face for a vote.

Fynal is null-scum, i do not like the content provided and much like RF, i do not know his intentions, i would expect fynal to blossom a lot more and be open about things but here he is sort of playing like you are, the occasional question, lurk, occasional question, lurk, repeat.

hopefully this changes.

i would vote either TTK or Fynal right now, but we still have july and Gova to yet to do anything, i'd rather wait like everyone else and go back into lurking mode.

right here fynal

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

if you actually have a gambit going here, ok. I didn't catch the hint but maybe i just didn't get it. I expect a detailed explanation soon, including why you needed to give no reads and claim no changes in playstyle, whenever it gets you what you want.

just explained it.

so you're saying you were trying to bait a read from swiss? can you explain a little more how you were intending to do so?

the bait was "kuz+fynal scum team?"

i was hoping for an explanation and gave them a loaded question which they had to put or shut up, as already stated.

 

[Fynal]

so what yer saying is, you decided to give no solid reads and claim no change in playstyle for the purpose of being able to bait RF?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

No, that was for kuz, the reaction between me and swiss and the thing i quoted is bait for RF.

 

[Fynal]

EBWOP
(because if you had stated reads or anything, the bait wouldn't have worked?)

 

[Fynal]

damn ninjas

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm kinda pissed because kuz is a pushing prick and didn't let me lurk longer, to be honest.

 

[Fynal]

so... now i don't get it. you set up a gambit vs kuz?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

ye s

 

[Fynal]

and what did you gain? in the post you quoted as explanation, you said

<soup replying to kuz>"You are lean town. i find your questions to be completely useless and to quote asdioh if it was anyone else i would take it with less of a grain of salt, you're lucky i'm using meta on you because that's what it boils down to."

is this what you got from your gambit? if not, what is?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

i responded to 183.

why do you think i said "got what i wanted, thanks kuz"?

i didn't want you quick-sheeping me because i know you look for my town-tells, if i were to cut them out and play different, i would be able to read without the quick "yeah soup town."

that was to solidify a better read, you town-told many times in this, such like your hesitance to vote me and actually confront me instead of just calling me scum, the way you approached me seemed townie but i needed a deal-seal.

this is the one where i explain why i did what i did

 

[Fynal]

so you wanted to play differently to see if kuz still treated you in the same way?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

winne r

 

[Fynal]

I'm kinda pissed because kuz is a pushing prick and didn't let me lurk longer, to be honest.

then what does this mean? wasn't the whole point to have kuz react? wasn't him not letting you lurk something you were interested in?