Awkward Moments Mafia - Game over! Scum wins! Will a SD game ever see a town victory?

[felipe_9595]

I will be on a tourney tomorrow (Already explained it on Higurashi maf) but given the special circunstances of this game i will really try to post tomorrow.

 

[Kantrip]

While we wait for kuz to claim:

@J, has your slot eaten any bodies? Who did you eat and what was the result that you got from it? Do you agree that this game was most likely made to revolve around the Vanilla Cop?

 

[th3kuzinator]

nah no fake claim this time

im asking someone out for your first time, town redirector.

i send a name to the moderator every night and all night actions that target me are redirected to my target of choice. i crumbed this a bajillion times all over the place by telling cop/doc to target me as I would put the investigation/protections to good use. I could find these if you want but im feeling really lazy atm. since the cop died d1 i tried to use it as a protect (as I figured doc would protect me) and targeted fynal on n1 and asdioh on n2 as they were my strongest town reads going into each night respectively.

this is one of the reasons that i heavily doubt j's claim because j doesn't even have an action that can target me so why does my role even exist? with the rest of the roles claimed it seems that my role could only possibly affect the vanilla cop which seems like a complete waste of a mechanic if thats the only pr out there. setup wise this makes no sense and im really confused as to why town only has a redirector and a vcop and apparently a town eater who can't even be redirected in the first place.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Really trying to figure out what prompted a girl of that caliber to kiss M2K.

Confirming that I'm going to **** scum this game.

Everything about that picture just captures the beauty of awkward moments though. It's just so perfect.

Despite the ominous question posed by the fictitious lunatic, the culprit was not startled in the slightest. This had happened before - many times in fact.

The figure was correct in that he had been killed time and time again, but by what cause? Was the source of his torment psychological? Perhaps some of it was, but the gloved hand crushing his throat - the glint of silver piercing his flesh. These were all very real events.

It once again occurred to the culprit that the figure was still oblivious of his existence. Despite his immutable vow to escape his prison, he has yet to come any closer to discovering the truth than when he first started all those years ago.

As the omnipotent eyes of the culprit scanned the self-amused face of the figure he could not help but feel a twinge of pity for the poor fictitious fool.

Destined to repeat the endless cycle of the damned who came before...

I really want you to change your location, Soup. It's making my page stretch.

Also lol @ the new addition to Fynal's avi.

Really wish I didn't spill water all over my pants in front of my classmates.

Vote: FragMental

Everyone knows its actually the mod we need to lynch, not the players.

@Armor: Would you agree, based on the limited time you've played with Soup, that if we're ever scrambling for a lynch he would be the best player to pile on?

@FM, thirdkoopa: If I told you I had mod confirmed information the fictitious lunatic was scum would you lynch him based of my word on the assumption that I would throw myself on the noose if I was lying?

@Kantrip: If you catch Gova lurking, is he scum? This is not a trick question.

@RF: The culprit silent waited for the fictitious lunatic to make their appearance. They seemed motivated to escape from the shackles from which had confined them to the familiar room.

The culprit gazed in anticipation, waiting for the figure to graze us with his awkwardness.

@Gova: Is RF's posting style a town tell, a scum tell or neither?

Curious to know what Armor was actually trying to signify now that I read his post again.



You and Gova will get along very well.

@Fynal: If I claimed masons with Soup right now would you believe me?

This must be some sort of typo.

@Asdioh: What question should I ask you that would yield important information?

Or better yet, claim PGO for no reason.

The correct answer I was looking for was: we won't be making any rushed lynches because we'll get stuff done ahead of time and not let this game get plagued with inactivity. I have no doubt that I have you support for this treatise.

Really wanted to include a Wizaord of Oz pun there but I will refrain for everyone's sake.



I won't and you will be satisfied with that answer.



@Asdioh: If we claimed masons right now would we officially be the deadliest team to hit dGames in 5 words or less.

oh yeah and i crumbed my role in the first letter of my first ten posts.

 

[Kantrip]

Alright, that confirms it. This game was based around the vanilla cop. Scum lies in the VT claimers. Kuz, your role may also be there to redirect mafia NK's to potential scum. I am fine with J and kuz's claims, and they both fit with the grasp I have of this set-up.

I think a scum member claimed vt when they actually have a PR, for sure. Maybe both of them, though there's probably a goon. I am pretty sure there is only 2 scum. There may be an indy, but with the town roles in this game it is very possible scum is just 2 good roles and everyone else is town.

With that said, I am confident scum lies in Red Ryu, felipe, Fynal, or Asdioh. I also claimed VT so I would be in there for anyone else.

I want to lynch Red Ryu toDay. Ryker played scummy and Red Ryu has been coasting. If that slot is not scum, I will throw myself off an awkward cliff and admit defeat. No one else looks scummy whatsoever.

Calling the scum team is one of:

Red Ryu/Felipe
Red Ryu/Fynal
Red Ryu/Asdioh

Felipe/Fynal

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

The awkward moment when somebody posts in a game that he's not in and the people in the game have to pretend that it's not even happening?

Yes Sword this is what happens when you host a game. Gorf posts in it.

K I'm done.

 

[Asdioh]

we can all thank kuz for acrostic's death

 

[Asdioh]

I didn't want to claim for real, but Kuz's claim and the resulting confusion are forcing it.

I'm actually the town doctor. I protected Fynal N1, and Acrostic N2. Now I know why it didn't work -_-

Obviously didn't protect Kuz as his death would be a relief to me, but scum probably wouldn't have even targeted the guy who directly asked for protections anyway. I took that gamble :3

So now you know!

 

[Kantrip]

Huh.

Asdioh, talk to me. Where's your head at right now?

 

[Asdioh]

It's at the I'm the doctor but hoped to go another day without claiming in the hopes of my protect actually working

BUT NO

I'VE GOTTEN DOCTOR LIKE 3 TIMES, PLUS JOAT ONCE AND WHEN I FINALLY ACTUALLY PROTECT THE RIGHT PERSON KUZ SCREWS IT UP

>:E

 

[Kantrip]

So who do you think is scum at this point?

 

[Asdioh]

Kuz, tell me exactly what you did n1 and n2.

 

[#HBC | J]

V/LA today due to Homecoming Dance

I'll come back with more stuff but interesting claim Kuzi. Mine is more interesting though cuz of how bizarro it is. xP

 

[Kantrip]

Have fun J

1. Red Ryu
2. Kuz
3. Fynal
7. Kantrip
9. Felipe
10. J
11. Asdioh

Humph. I have the roster split in half.

@Asdioh, kuz, and J: Would you lynch Red Ryu toDay?

 

[#HBC | J]

Fynal>RR for me.

For me it goes: Fynal>RR>Kuzi/Felipe

J
Asdioh
Kanty

I really wouldn't be surprised if this is a Kuzi's claim is a fake-claim buuuuuuuut who knows. I already lynched the cop this game so *shrug*.

 

[Kantrip]

It seems like our top 2's match each other, just switched in order. Asdioh, how about you?

 

[Asdioh]

I'll get to it later

 

[Kantrip]

Alright.

How confident are we about a 2-man scum team?

 

[Asdioh]

Assuming claims are true:
vanilla cop, doc, corpse eater (?) redirector

scum would have to be pretty powerful. I'd been assuming roleblocker/redirector/switch/strongman when my protect didn't work, but now that i know it was kuz idk.

kuz is probably scum

 

[th3kuzinator]

in at the gym right now but asdioh i had absoluetly nothing to do with your actions since they didnt target me. theres something else in play we arent aware of.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Gorf Goddamnit I thought you dead there for awhile.

*back to v/la*

 

[Kantrip]

Your action went through, right? That means it can't be a roleblocker.
Kuz's redirector role redirects actions targeted on him. You didn't target him. It's not a redirector.
It could be a strongman, but that would be strange with how it would totally negate a doc, don't you think?

What's the chance it's some sort of weird role, like a NK that negates protects if the target is a vanilla townie? That would make sense for this set-up and validate the possibility of a two-man scum team. With the vanilla cop and the corpse eater, the set-up could still be based off of what I think it is. Additionally, scum would have a way to take advantage of any information the vanilla cop or corpse eater shares about who is a vanilla townie.

 

[Kantrip]

EBWOP: Basically what that does is make the doc an uninformed PR protector, because if they correctly protect a VT the NK will pierce anyways. There's also the possibility that the NK is X shot.

 

[th3kuzinator]

felipe is playing so goddam apathetically its making it impossible for me to read him as anything other than town. already expressed my opinions on kantrip, fynal and sdo which still leaves my pool at j and rr. i still have no idea how everyone believes his claim because its name and function is inconsistent with the claims we currently have. not to mention it isn't provable since we're in a position where it couldn't have gathered any results for it. the entire thing just reeks to me and regardless of how j tries to justify it by saying "but its actually real, though" i dont buy it. now that asdioh has claimed for real the setup makes much more sense to me with but your role conflicts with that balance. i thought your role may have been plausible pre-doc claim because it accounted for scum killing off a PR once claimed yet town still having a way of getting his results alive since there would be no protective keeping him alive. now that there is a doc and your role in play, you simply claiming (assuming you and adioh are both town) would completely wreck this setup. if the doc kept you alive from the shadows the cop could pretty much just get all his results he wanted without ever having to come out and say them and even if he were to get picked off you could still retrieve them for you without any chance of the information being lost. having the cop/doc combo in an 11 man game is enough just as having your role plus the cop being enough. having all three together literally makes no sense.

@kantrip: yes i would be okay with lynching rr but i don't know if i would want him gone before j. what is your reason

 

[th3kuzinator]

ing for thinking j is town?

 

[th3kuzinator]

and if asdioh wasnt informed that his action was roleblocked then it had to be something that bypassed his protect (strongman) or something that diverted his actions (redirector/busdriver). since im willing to bet sword wouldnt put a town and a scum aligned manipulative in this setup its probably a strongman.

 

[th3kuzinator]

j youve also still yet to share with me why you think fynal is scum.

 

[Kantrip]

J's claim fits with my set-up analysis. If I knew I was wrong he would move down to lean scum, just because his role makes no sense if my speculation is wrong.

I'm willing to bet scum has a strongman-esque X-shot of some variety.

Reasoning for thinking it's RR? Ryker saving his own *** at the beginning of the game, just as you knew he would. Claiming cop, then claiming VT, and all the shenanigans Ryker pulled was far too confusing for him to be a VT. He wouldn't confuse town with that kind of behavior if he himself was town, unless he was some ridiculous power role. Red Ryu has since confirmed the VT. This makes no sense with how Ryker was the reason we mislynched our cop! All to keep himself from being the lynch...

Vote: Red Ryu

 

[#HBC | J]

Gee I wonder why I've yet to put time into this game instead of preparing for going to homecoming?

Can you also try and at least justify your reasoning for Jscum besides set-up mechanics that just don't make sense in your head alone. That's the only thing you are trying to push against this slot which is scummy to me. Do you have anything from Armor's/My posts?

 

[Kantrip]

Lol J, are you forgetting how scummy Armor played?

 

[th3kuzinator]

youve repeated that reasoning for rr being scum for some time now. i want to know why you think j's claim fits with your set-up analysis but i dont see how that validates js claim in any way. if you think he would be null leaning scum without the claim then what about it makes him town for you?

 

[#HBC | J]

Not at all, remember though, for the entire game Kuzi had been saying Armor was classic n00btown since D1. What's changed his mind besides claim?

Remember Kanty, I was one of the first to bring up that Armor was scummy. xD

 

[th3kuzinator]

Gee I wonder why I've yet to put time into this game instead of preparing for going to homecoming?

Can you also try and at least justify your reasoning for Jscum besides set-up mechanics that just don't make sense in your head alone. That's the only thing you are trying to push against this slot which is scummy to me. Do you have anything from Armor's/My posts?

its not just my head they don't make sense in. even viewing it from an objective standpoint the entire thing just screams fabrication.

most of armor's posts throughout the game have left me nothing to work with. the only solid conclusion i could draw from any of his content was that he was not scum with ryker. as i said earlier i thought armor was dumb or scum and that i was probably siding with dumb meaning that if i had to judge armor solely on his posts i would have said he was leaning dumbtown.

regardless of that analysis that doesn't completely negate the red flags that go off when i smell a bs claim. i can and sure as hell will change my read on players based off their claims and i heavily dislike yours.

 

[th3kuzinator]

j youve also still yet to share with me why you think fynal is scum.

10cha r

 

[#HBC | J]

V/LA today due to Homecoming Dance

10characters

 

[th3kuzinator]

its 5pm and last i checked you weren't dancing nor preparing for dancing but instead posting in mafia threads.

 

[Kantrip]

I think the set-up revolves around Vanilla Townies and, as a result, the Vanilla Cop. The fact that we lynched the Vanilla Cop D1 drastically altered how I'm sure the game was expected to go.

With the set-up we had, the Cop/Doc combo existed in a way that allowed us to play follow the cop. Even if scum killed Doc, then Cop, the Corpse Eater role would still be able to share the two rounds of results the Cop received. Town idiot being a Miller of sorts in the scheme of copping for vanilla or not makes sense with this as well. So does having a town-aligned re-director. Without one, the results would all be perfect and town would be too powerful. The rest of town, of course, is Vanilla Townies.

This leaves whatever scum is. At this point, it looks like it is a strongman of sorts as well as some other unknown role that could be anything from goon to rolecop.

Most likely for me is either a RR/Fynal team or a RR/Felipe team. Ryker/RR's slot being the strongman-esque role, and Gova/felipe's slot being the _______ role.

 

[#HBC | J]

its 5pm and last i checked you weren't dancing nor preparing for dancing but instead posting in mafia threads.

Posting in all of them saying I was going to be gone for the exact same reason. Go check your evidence before presenting it mate. =P

Yeah, it's 5pm and I'm ironing my shirt to go out to dinner with my date first buuuuut whatever you say. Maybe I should be posting in mafia threads instead?

 

[Asdioh]

I'd bet the scumteam is something like strongman and possibly something that shows up as "vanilla" to the vanilla cop.

remember that vanilla cop is nerfed by the fact that doctor, and kuz/j's claimed roles would turn up "not vanilla" which doesn't really help him.

j's claimed role can fit, and isn't overpowered, and pushing that alone is scummy.



I've been wondering for a while, but I'll repeat what Acrostic asked yesterDay: why the general consensus townread on Kantrip? I'm trying to go over all my reads, and I really can't remember why I have Kantrip as town.

 

[th3kuzinator]

.................................................

I forgot about the miller.

There being two town aligned result changers does lend credence to a more powerful town pr scheme especially since the corpse eater has a high chance of getting misinformation from his digestion or w/e.

**** that actually does make sense.