Awkward Moments Mafia - Game over! Scum wins! Will a SD game ever see a town victory?

[Kantrip]

Yeah Asdioh, a scum "vanilla godfather" is exactly the kind of role I would expect.

 

[Asdioh]

YOU WOULD KNOW, wouldn't you????

 

[th3kuzinator]

ninjas

I'd bet the scumteam is something like strongman and possibly something that shows up as "vanilla" to the vanilla cop.

remember that vanilla cop is nerfed by the fact that doctor, and kuz/j's claimed roles would turn up "not vanilla" which doesn't really help him.

j's claimed role can fit, and isn't overpowered, and pushing that alone is scummy.



I've been wondering for a while, but I'll repeat what Acrostic asked yesterDay: why the general consensus townread on Kantrip? I'm trying to go over all my reads, and I really can't remember why I have Kantrip as town.

Yeah. A goon.

Because he has been playing too townie to be scum. He's taken an initiative to drive things even when not pressured and seems genuine in doing so. Even now he's being really involved in this mass claim and subsequent action which I don't think scum would want to spearhead this early in the Day.

That and the rest of his play also follows suit. Besides the obvious townish tinge to his posts nothing he writes is disingenuous or opportunistic both then and now.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Do you think he's scum, sdo?

 

[Kantrip]

Are you trying to insinuate that I'm scum? That's fair enough, considering I too claimed VT and should therefore be somewhere in the lynch pool of felipe/RR/Fynal/whoever else.

I don't know what reason scum would have to out all their roles unprovoked, though.

 

[Asdioh]

No, I'm just going to randomly accuse people until I get a reaction I don't like. Obviously :3

Kuz/Kantrip scumteam btw

 

[Kantrip]

Well now that you said that, the rest of the reactions you get won't even be genuine....

 

[th3kuzinator]

oh man i can already see the im alive on d3 with kuz paranoia gears turning in sdo's head right now

good thing this is the one time in the history of dgames that theyre actually wrong

 

[Asdioh]

But yeah I just edited that list of potential scumteams I had, and then subtracted my townread (Fynal, for some reason) and also J (for now, largely because of claim) and then also deleted unlikely combos (like Armor/Ryker)
And then erased my post.
But anyway I was left with basically RR and Felipe combos. Wut

 

[Asdioh]

oh man i can already see the im alive on d3 with kuz paranoia gears turning in sdo's head right now

good thing this is the one time in the history of dgames that theyre actually wrong

the claimed doctor shouldn't live after claiming... i would think.

luckily, I'm actually masoned with Kantrip, and we switched our claims around to throw people off the scent.

Kuz I'll ask again, can you explain what your role does exactly and how you used it the previous Nights?

 

[Kantrip]

Why is Fynal a townread?

Whoops meant to ask that in our mason chat.

 

[Kantrip]

No but for real, my conclusions are similar to yours, minus the removing Fynal as a townread part.

Red Ryu/Felipe
or Red Ryu/Fynal

I remember a Fynal/Gova team seeming unlikely to me for some reason.

 

[th3kuzinator]

^ why kantrip is town.

i already explained it but okay. i choose a player at night. any and all actions that are directed at me are redirected to the player of my choosing. before the end of d1 i asked for both a doc protect but also wouldn't mind the cop investigation as i said i would put but both to good use. i was originally just going to redirect all my actions (since i thought i might get the investigation/killed) to one of my scumspects so I could basically use the investigation as a proxy. once the cop died d1, tho, i just resigned to use it as a doc protect (i hoped the doc would protect me so i could bank that as a proxy doc protect). i went into each night choosing my strongest town reads which was fynal n1 and you n2.

 

[Asdioh]

Fynal went from null to town during my reread sometime D1, but I can't remember why He also seems like he's been doing stuff toDay. I protected him N1 because Kuz was too obvious, and I figured scum would go after ... not Kuz. I didn't expect J to be killed at all, considering he just replaced in and all. I imagine he was killed because they thought he was a PR or something.


I protected Acrostic N2 because he was a super strong town read and Kuz was still too obvious (people generally don't target the people that ask for a doc protection)
(wait, if there's a strongman, why didn't they just kill Kuz anyway wtf)
( )


@Kuz: just realized toDay is D3 so never mind derp

 

[th3kuzinator]

i wonder if a strongman would go through my redirect.

ill let that wifom just float around.

 

[Kantrip]

Kuz, this is important to my set-up speculation: Do you have the option to not use your ability?

 

[Kantrip]

ebwop: Or does it get randomized if you don't send it in?

 

[Asdioh]

so you're saying you targeted fynal n1 too? huh, maybe i'm right in my townread on him :3

eh, kuz's claim seems genuine enough now that I understand that he redirections actions from himself to his target. When I saw he targeted me n2, i thought he redirected my action or something and was sad.

it's funny how his role is basically "ask the doc/cop to target me because i think i'm a better doc/cop" :mistyface:

..or redirect the kill. that makes strongman seem more plausible now.

if we lynch RR and he flips scum, who is his most likely scummate? It's obviously not me, obviously not kuz, obviously not kantrip, obviously not J

...felipe?

o_o

 

[Kantrip]

If I pinned both the set-up and the scumteam with my analysis of this set-up, I am a god.

 

[th3kuzinator]

it doesn't say anything about letting me send in no action and there's also nothing about what he does if i don't send in anything.

i guess i could ask him.

 

[Kantrip]

Yeah, do that.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I sent him a PM.

With that discrepancy cleared up that leaves RR as my last preferred candidate. I'll wait until he weighs in/J comes back with his reasoning on Fynal scum before doing anything final.

Felipe, can I get your thoughts on J and RR?

 

[Kantrip]

@Fynal and felipe, general thoughts on the set-up speculation and recent activity that's gone on.

I don't want anyone else to vote until we get this.

 

[Asdioh]

Hey Kuz, remember DR upick 1 where J voted for himself "so he knows where his vote is?"

Good times, good times.

 

[Asdioh]

RR I want to lynch you so bad but it sucks because you replaced into such a scummy slot and really haven't seemed all that scummy yourself (//.-)

 

[th3kuzinator]

good times indeed

 

[Fynal]

we had a really nice hike this afternoon, found some great trails to unicycle

for reference:
RR - claimed VT
kuz - claimed redirecter
J(armor) - claimed corpse eater
J(soup) - dead miller
Fynal - claimed VT
Kantrip - claimed VT
Acrostic - dead VT
Filepe - claimed VT
FM - dead VT
TTK - dead nilla cop
Asdioh - claimed doc

assuming for a moment the PR claims are legit, i don't think strong scum PRs are necessarily in this game at all, because theres a redirecter AND a miller which seems like a lot of potential for the nilla cop/eater to get bad results

also whats a strongman do?

corpse eater role strikes me as really weird in a setup with only one role (nilla cop) that the corpse eater could possible get something from. however, if i understand this right, J's role actually acts as a cop, because he's a "picky eater", so if he tries to eat scum, he'll get told he wouldn't eat that person and then know that theyre scum. (J if im wrong about your PR here please correct me. gonna re-read what you said real quick)


i've decided i still think kuz is town, after reading a bunch of his posts trying to assume he was scum and not convincing myself (thats generally what i do when i question a strong town read of mine)


Jsoup, acro, TTK, and FM are deadtown. kuz, kantrip, and asdioh are townreads. im town, according to my role pm. That leaves me with RR, J, and Felipe.

@RR: i want your opinion on Kantrip's vote on you ASAP.

 

[Fynal]

SUPER DERRRRPPP

ignore everything i said about J's role being a cop. obviously, he only eats dead, flipped people.

however, in rereading his claim and subsequent posts, i found this

Your theory about Armor is flawed simply because it's a pretty pointless role at this point since there is nothing to gain at the current time plus Armor is a non-chalant/apathetic person to begin with.

why? why would armor know that it was a pointless role? he saw 1 investigative PR die. Does it say in your role PM that theres exactly one PR who you can actually target and get something from?

 

[Kantrip]

Strongman kills through protects and stuff.

I'm pretty sure the set-up is something very close to this:

Vanilla Cop
Corpse Eater - acts as miller
Doctor - acts as miller
Redirector - acts as miller
Town Idiot - acts as miller
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Mafia Strongman
Vanilla Godfather

Why J's role would be faked as it is I have no idea. I don't see anyone claiming something with such an obscure name as scum, honestly. Someone would have to really show me why it's an iffy claim, as it fits pretty well in this set-up.

J, kuz, Asdioh are cleared as claimed PR's with townreads on them that work with the set-up.

This leaves four players: Red Ryu, Fynal, felipe, and myself.

Two are scum, two are Vanilla Townies.

I know I'm town, so that clears another one, bringing it down to three: RR, Fynal, and felipe.

Someone tell me if there's a flaw in my logic.

 

[Asdioh]

Strangely enough, the scummiest people in my eyes (RR and Felipe) are being completely silent.

It seems too eas.

 

[Asdioh]

y .

 

[Asdioh]

btw Kuz is an indy redirector.

 

[Kantrip]

They're both the types who naturally post very little, so it's hard to tell. I wish they'd check in.
Aren't they both V/LA right now?

 

[Kantrip]

btw Kuz is an indy redirector.

Heh, you know: this is actually likely. Looking again, the set-up is really town-heavy how I have it. Kuz's role could very well be indy. Even if you only posted this "to get reactions" like before, you may just be right.

 

[Fynal]

@kant: the flaw in your logic is that you're assuming you are correct because you can come up with a theory into which all the claimed roles fit. just because there "is a way" that you can see that stuff adds up, doesn't mean that way must be correct

what seems weird to me about your setup is why there would be so much emphasis on the nilla cop (a backup role entirely meant entirely to salvage its results if the doc can't protect it for crying out loud) when less than half the people are nillas, and one of em is a fake nilla at that. also just thought of something.

@J: who did armor target N1? can you target someone before any flips, and you only get info if they die the same night you target them? i need to be clear on what exactly your role can and can't do

 

[Asdioh]

Kuz specifically asked for town or indy before the game started, remember :mistyface:

 

[Kantrip]

So you think the people who have claimed are lying, then?

I mean, whether or not I'm right in thinking the Vanilla Cop is an important role... we still have the same claims on the table, and I'm pretty sure the scum claimed VT. If you disagree with this, tell me your scum picks.

 

[Fynal]

i think your logic is not perfectly infallible and i think its possible that the PR claims aren't all telling the truth. I don't have a hard stance to give beyond that, its just you are ruling out possibilities that i think we really shouldn't be

i need J to answer my questions before i decide who my scumpicks are, but atm its between J/Felipe/RR

someone explain to me why Kant's setup is so town favoring when the nilla cop/eater can only confirm 5 out of the 11 people as town, can't confirm anyone as scum, and one of those 5 people is actually a scum. and theres a strongman to counter doc

 

[Asdioh]

If nothing else, I'm sure most of us can agree that at least one of the VT claims is lying, right?

 

[Fynal]

most likely. my scumreads right now are much less solid than i'd like them to be and i really don't want to exclude possibilities but yeah most likely. i'll get places when my J/RR questions get answered