Awkward Moments Mafia - Game over! Scum wins! Will a SD game ever see a town victory?

[th3kuzinator]

RR's reaction to your gambit looks like the definition of faked. He corrected his error within the same minute he made it...

Also the flavor has absolutely nothing to do with roles. If you read the special rules in the OP he completely randomized the flavor to each role so the flavor itself has no bearing on what each role does.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And can you give me your current scumspect. I know you said you thought Fynal was obvtown and had suspicions on Armor/Ryu but now you're saying you might have changed your mind on both of those.

 

[#HBC | J]

Funniest part about this whole thing is that I am not lying about my role. It's just that weird. Claiming Indy in a game of this size? Really? Also if I was indy, what is my win-con for one?

Mafia role-cop doesn't make sense either because I get the data of the people I eat which is like that plus the fact is, there is no one dead because there would be no point for this slot to eat any bodies since they are all VTs/No-actions.

 

[th3kuzinator]

What does the size of the game have to do with claiming indy? And how would I know what your wincon was?

If what you say about you having data about a specific player's actions holds true then, yes, mafia rolecop makes no sense. However you've yet to present any of proof of this ability. You're being vague about many aspects of the role right now and I don't know whether thats intentional or I'm just not understanding it.

Can you use it on alive and dead players? Who have you used it on thus far? Do you have results to back up your claim?

 

[#HBC | J]

that or some specific type of scum rolecop. can you clarify, you get to choose dead and alive people and you get their role and all their actions. you do not get a result back if you target mafia or vts essentially meaning your pr finds other prs and confirms them to you.

filing this in the category of investigatives this role being town aligned seems very unlikely with the other investigative we have flipped. pretty op compared to a vcop.

do you have any results?

this also begs the questiin why Armor was so okay with his lynch if he had something to claim of value. he should have been concerned about survival but he was clearly going out of his way to put on heirs that he wasnt

I guess I didn't explain well enough. I only eat people who have already died and I find out what their results are. I don't get their role nor do I get anything else besides their results.

So no, my PR does not confirm any PRs and not only to myself. It gives me the results of PRs that have already flipped.

There are no results because no PRs have flipped to eat and I didn't get a list of if Armor did choose to eat anyone but it would have been pointless.

Your theory about Armor is flawed simply because it's a pretty pointless role at this point since there is nothing to gain at the current time plus Armor is a non-chalant/apathetic person to begin with.

 

[#HBC | J]

What does the size of the game have to do with claiming indy? And how would I know what your wincon was?

If what you say about you having data about a specific player's actions holds true then, yes, mafia rolecop makes no sense. However you've yet to present any of proof of this ability. You're being vague about many aspects of the role right now and I don't know whether thats intentional or I'm just not understanding it.

Can you use it on alive and dead players? Who have you used it on thus far? Do you have results to back up your claim?

Dead, No-one as far as I no, and no. What results could I get from Town VI, Cop lynched D1 and 2 VTs.

I really think it's the bolded bit you aren't getting.

There was like 11 people in the game with 2-3 mafia + Indy, it seems OP by mechanics. I also asked "What's my win-con then?" since you are suggesting that I am indy and if so I must have a separate win-con so what may that be with the info you have?

 

[th3kuzinator]

So you use it on already dead players and then figure out who those players visited on which nights.

Trying to figure out the balance of your role in this setup if its just to get the results from other players before they can tell you them themselves. Reminds me of a variation of an assist like the one in oddworld.

 

[#HBC | J]

I can tell results if people Die before they are given the chance to reveal their data.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I get that but I'm trying to figure out why that role would even exist in this setup. Since you have no results the claim itself isn't provable and even then it probably wouldn't reflect on alignment (though if you could prove it then it probably wouldn't be a mafia role).

What does VI do in this case? Does anyone know?

 

[#HBC | J]

I assumed VI = Miller especially with a Vanilla Cop.

 

[th3kuzinator]

And if I had to start drinking wine I would speculate that your wincon would be to eat every player/half the players or just eat the PRs or something. That or you could have just been given that safeclaim for a different indy role.

Would you see the VI doing anything if you ate him or w/e?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Oh wait that not really significant since he'd already be dead once you ate him and thus would have no need to trick you.

So basically we have a vanilla cop, a miller put in place for that cop and a role that lets you see the cop's results posthumously.

If this were to be true then Sword would have planned on having a PR die and thus not put a protective in this setup. If that turns out to be true then I would feel much better about your role in this setup.

 

[th3kuzinator]

J what do you think we're dealing with here, faction wise? Have you read the game since your death as another slot? Who do you want lynched today?

 

[#HBC | J]

Faction wise? Probably 2-3 mafia. I'm comfortable with Asdioh/Kanty and probably one of you/RR so that would leave Gova's slot and Fynal. However last I read, I liked Gova's slot so I need to do a re-read to go back and fix some things.

Acro was an obv kill and so was I when I was around.

Can I saaaaay Kuzi, the fact that I died N1 makes me wanna look at you for curiosity sake. ;P Also FM lynch was baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

 

[th3kuzinator]

3 mafia in this setup would be ********.

FM lynch was only bad in the sense that he flipped town. He played scummy and died for it and doing so rid us of an unknown and a largely inactive player. Wasn't a terrible outcome overall.

 

[#HBC | J]

I disagree. I had a pretty strong town-read on that slot.

TBH, this slot should have been lynched yesterDay.

Kuzi, has Felipe's play affected your town-read on Gova's slot?

So if it's not 3 mafia, then it's 2 which means we have one more lynch after toDay.

 

[th3kuzinator]

I did at the beginning of D1 but it deteriorated as the game went on. I also disagree with Armor being the play yesterDay. If not FM it should have been RR.

Felipe has been playing opportunistically but I'm not sure whether to label it as scummy or just dumb town. Unlike his predecessor he doesn't seem to take a disinterest in the thread altogether, he just comes in at random times to say nothing of value and that needs to change asap.

And that's what I'm saying. I do think we have ML which is why I'm not thrilled with the idea of mass claiming.

 

[#HBC | J]

Hmmm, alright then.

Kuzi, show me how RR's reaction was fake. I got genuine out of it.

 

[th3kuzinator]

He corrected his error within the same minute he made it...

How does that look close to genuine?

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm sorry Ryker I did what I could. I shouldn't have gone inactive at the end.

Final reads,
Kuzi and Asdioh I trust, town should do the same.
July is eh, but I'll trust Kuzi on that read.
Felipe is active, but still not making me feel good about his slot.
Armor is scum.
Frag is scum.
Fynal is coasting a lot. People should look more into him, Indy would be my guess.

GL town.

Bang-bang.

Beautiful, Dirty, Rich.

 

[th3kuzinator]

J pretend to shoot me to so I can list out all my reads, apologize to my predecessor, and say good luck town.

Would that clear you for me?

No. It wouldn't because you know I'm smart enough to be able to do that as any alignment. I have confidence that RR could have easily faked that. The entire thing is null, really.

 

[#HBC | J]

Well there is the fact that he could be faking it but if he did then why did he make that shout-out to Ryker?

It's not you we are dealing with so that point is moot. I'm not applying what you would do to what I think someone else would do.

So what else you got about RR being fake? Does this tie into what Ryker had done before hand?

 

[th3kuzinator]

...are you kidding? Because it makes his post look more convincing. He would do that as either faction in an attempt to make his post look genuine. Pretty basic stuff here, J.

And of course we aren't but I'm saying we can judge the validity of the gambit against the intellect of a person. Do you doubt RR is smart enough to be able to replicate those base tells as either alignment? I don't and therefore I can see him being able to make that post as either faction. Thus taking it as a tell either way would be erroneous.

When did I say I had other information about RR being faked?

 

[#HBC | J]

I misread what you said about RR so apologies on that but what is your opinion regardless of said gambit?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Opinion of...?

 

[#HBC | J]

Red Ryu? o.o

 

[th3kuzinator]

He's a priority of mine. I already discussed yesterDay why RR was my second pick after FM. However with your claim and some reevaluation my lynch pool is shaping up to be you/him and possibly felipe.

I'd like to dismiss Felipe as town simply based on Gova's play which resonated town with me but the read is becoming murky with Felipe's contribution. He was just viewing the thread a few seconds ago but neglected to say anything.

Other three I have strong town reads on, as I've stated numerous times.

 

[#HBC | J]

You're gonna have to explain FynalTown read because based on what is going on lately, he is shaping up to be my strongest scum-read.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Pretty sure you'll have to explain FynalScum read because I'm not seeing it.

 

[felipe_9595]

Correction, i am still looking to the tread.

And wtf o-o?? I am scummy to see the tread and not awnsering?? Then all the anonymous users are scummy aswell.

Also, id ont have too much to contribute :/

 

[#HBC | J]

True true. Seems we both have some explaining to do.

Felipe, it's alright but tell me if it was down to RR/Fynal, who would you lynch and why?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Felipe have you finished reading yet? Do you have any scumpicks or thoughts on who we should lynch today? Does your FoS on J still hold now that he has clarified his role? Why or why not?

Some questions to get you started. I want you here telling me things.

 

[felipe_9595]

Hmm hard one. Well, first, the roles of this game are pretty, pretty standard roles, (Vanilla Townie, COp etc) and J rol really doesnt fit in this game. I think is still my fos, but i only have that.

 

[#HBC | J]

So is there anything else besides my role that implicates me as scum?

The fact that it's odd is a pretty bad reason because it does actually.

 

[Fynal]

gonna read a lot tonight, i haven't been able to put nearly as much time as i'd have liked into this recently and for that i'm sorry

i re-read RR, including RR vs me. i don't think i made it clear that my primary reason for wanting RR dead is how ridiculously self-preserving ryker played despite being VT. he freaking admitted that he was only pushing TTK because TTK wasnt him. which is scummy. The gambit, in and of it's self, was weird and apparently rather unproductive but i dont think its inherently scummy. Also RR obviously thought that my theory that rykerscum pulled his gambit, saw TTK's softclaim, and lynched him for it is not at all meant to be a case, its a speculation that makes sense despite being wifom-y and therefore reinforces my read.

my gut still screams RRscum. Somebody pointed out that ryker plays self-preserving as all alignments, which didn't connect for me back on D1 but just makes my read a little wifom-ier. damn you ryker. still thinking this one over.

@RR: whose scum toDay? also has your read on kuz changed since when you thought you got daykilled?

@J: how exactly does yer role work? like, do you choose one person per night to eat or is it automatic? like if a PR dies you auto-get their results?

also, just out of interest, are you supergood at reading kuz or something? i thought you said something about you dying implicating him (i realize you prolly weren't that serious)

@Felipe: hows the catchup going? as of wherever you are, is there anyone besides J that you feel is scummy?

 

[Fynal]

EBWO-not-ninja-edit:

RR's play was less remarkable than i'd remembered. he said a number of things that made me OMGU....D?(dumb) but its not really scummy. for example a while back i said armor was scum and then voted RR in a post saying "i want armor and RR, but i cant vote armor because he's at L-2 so ill keep my vote on RR", and RR accused me for it.

 

[Asdioh]

Silly Kuz, I understood J's role as soon as he claimed it it sounds kinda like http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Forensic_Investigator except it finds the dead PR's results, instead of finding who visited them.

Also the flavor has absolutely nothing to do with roles. If you read the special rules in the OP he completely randomized the flavor to each role so the flavor itself has no bearing on what each role does.

I wasn't talking about J's personal flavor, I meant the game's flavor itself. http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13353166&postcount=21

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Tentatively believing J's role until I reread everything.

[collapse=Scumteam is in here somewhere, updated with dead players!]Since I believe a 2 man scumteam (not counting possible indies) is most likely in an 11 player game:

Ryker/Armor
Ryker/Gova
Ryker/Kantrip
Ryker/Fynal
Ryker/Kuz

Armor/Gova
Armor/Kantrip
Armor/Fynal
Armor/Kuz

Gova/Kantrip
Gova/Fynal
Gova/Kuz

Kantrip/Fynal
Kantrip/Kuz

Fynal/Kuz

[/collapse]

 

[Asdioh]

btw Kuz how's it feel to be scum all the time?

 

[th3kuzinator]

feels good man.

but srsly wutchu talkin bout willissssss??!

 

[th3kuzinator]

these pop tarts are making my insides orgasm.

mmmm