http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgYxe6oNJKUthe early kappa gets the worm my fair chap
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgYxe6oNJKUthe early kappa gets the worm my fair chap
Fragmental directly addresses the quotation, "You think it's suspicious huh? ... Seems like I'm not the only one who noticed it. Haha." At this point Ryker proceeds to comment on what people have stated to ultimately conclude that TheThirdKoopa is the best lynch to use for the day. I'm sort of hard pressed to believe that Ryker would not pay attention to the reactions from his own gambit/reaction test. I've been skipping around a lot, however Fragmental really needs to explain what s/he noticed. Because I would expect more from Ryker and I assume that if Fragmental did notice what I found on my re-read, then I am curious why s/he didn't speak up and stop TheThirdKoopa from being lynched.TheThirdKoopa said:A Daycop and a Cop is unlikely. Actually, Daycop (Assuming it's sane) is a pretty powerful role to begin with unless Scum has at least something to mess with it. I'm having a hard time buying this or at least a sane Daycop until further notice. And the fact that Frag didn't receive any PM of sorts is also suspicious (as if a daycop needed to be more confirmable)
Requesting deadline extension
@RedRyu: Please respond to this.I'm assuming that no one noticed TheThirdKoopa's soft claim on post #579 in which he states:
Fragmental directly addresses the quotation, "You think it's suspicious huh? ... Seems like I'm not the only one who noticed it. Haha." At this point Ryker proceeds to comment on what people have stated to ultimately conclude that TheThirdKoopa is the best lynch to use for the day. I'm sort of hard pressed to believe that Ryker would not pay attention to the reactions from his own gambit/reaction test. I've been skipping around a lot, however Fragmental really needs to explain what s/he noticed. Because I would expect more from Ryker and I assume that if Fragmental did notice what I found on my re-read, then I am curious why s/he didn't speak up and stop TheThirdKoopa from being lynched.
That wasn't necessarily a softclaim. TK would say that regardless from his own reasoning, though I suppose you could take it as one.I'm assuming that no one noticed TheThirdKoopa's soft claim
I was commenting on the fact Ryker tried to pull a gambit, of course.Fragmental directly addresses the quotation, "You think it's suspicious huh? ... Seems like I'm not the only one who noticed it. Haha." At this point Ryker proceeds to comment on what people have stated to ultimately conclude that TheThirdKoopa is the best lynch to use for the day. I'm sort of hard pressed to believe that Ryker would not pay attention to the reactions from his own gambit/reaction test. I've been skipping around a lot, however Fragmental really needs to explain what s/he noticed. Because I would expect more from Ryker and I assume that if Fragmental did notice what I found on my re-read, then I am curious why s/he didn't speak up and stop TheThirdKoopa from being lynched.
How am I suppose to answer this?@RedRyu: Please respond to this.
You good in the Armor read area. Others need to share it.I have no idea how to read PR play. I'd assume it would look more cautious. I didn't read TTK as a PR, though
In retrospect, we should have stayed with the Ryker lynch.
@RR, I believe I've shared my thoughts on Armor.
Ok, so where do you stand for lynches today?I was commenting on the fact Ryker tried to pull a gambit, of course.
And as for that? I was simply busy. You can note my absence after the whole ordeal of Ryker's seemingly superfluous gambit. I would have spoken up on his behalf had I known he was actually being pursued. From what I can recall, while TK was in the limelight, he was sharing it with Ryker and Gova.
I'm okay with an Armor lynch, he has brought nothing of substance to the table even when he said he would earlier and even when I (and presumably others?) wanted more out of him.
I don't understand why anyone would jump to the assumption that there is a cop in a closed setup when there could be trackers, watchers, and a bevy of other roles to replace the traditional cop role ESPECIALLY with a day cop claim already in play. In addition TK doubting the presence of a day cop claim, however insisting there is another type of cop in the setup strikes me as a pretty strong soft claim.That wasn't necessarily a softclaim. TK would say that regardless from his own reasoning, though I suppose you could take it as one.
Ryker claimed VT somewhere around Page 12. Then he claimed Day Cop on Page 15. It could have been taken as either a gambit or a scum slip. It really didn't strike me as the sort of, "Aha! Look at what I noticed!" interaction when I was re-reading. Especially when this was touched upon by TK that there was an inconsistency somewhere on 13/14 and Asdioh quoted it indicating that there was attention being placed on it before hand.FragMental said:I was commenting on the fact Ryker tried to pull a gambit, of course.
The tone of this paragraph makes me inclined to think that you believed TK was town. With regards to gambits, I only noticed two when I did my reading. Kooz's initial gambit of having mod confirmed information with regards to a town read and then there was Ryker's day cop gambit. I think that superfluous is an incorrect way of phrasing the gambit as it "outed" the cop in some form and if he wasn't lynched, I have some suspicions that TK would have been night killed. Another assumption I am making based on the tone of this post is that you would have been "okay" with a Ryker/Gova lynch. Which begs to question why you didn't choose to place a vote at the end of D1 for either Ryker or Gova and withheld your vote.Fragmental said:And as for that? I was simply busy. You can note my absence after the whole ordeal of Ryker's seemingly superfluous gambit. I would have spoken up on his behalf had I known he was actually being pursued. From what I can recall, while TK was in the limelight, he was sharing it with Ryker and Gova.
He's a policy lynch then fypov. I.E. we're lynching him because he's been inactive and not responding as frequently as we would like.FragMental said:I'm okay with an Armor lynch, he has brought nothing of substance to the table even when he said he would earlier and even when I (and presumably others?) wanted more out of him.
This is the part that kills me. It was Ryker's own gambit. Perhaps I'm being egocentric or putting too much stock in Ryker, but honestly I would EXPECT Ryker of all people with respect to his OWN gambit to see the cop "soft claim". The fact that he didn't comment on it, didn't react to it, or didn't take it into account when he voted bothers me. Honestly. Kooz was even pushing early game that Ryker would attempt to do something to deter the lynch away from him and then Kooz pushes off his wagon. Idek.How am I suppose to answer this? Ryker did it to save his own skin, I'm almost 100% sure of this. I have no clue why the hell he did this as a VT. I have no clue what he was looking for in particular. Best I can say is he was trying to get reads on specific people.
"when"When Asdioh doesn't die toNight he's scum
it's ok because you're town :3sup
sorry things have been really hectic for me, i've got a free period today i'll post then
IIRC my read on armor was null-scum. i'll figure it out when i've got free
you only get one per game, which was used D1Requesting deadline extension
This is a good catch, and I definitely don't remember this. If I did read that post, I definitely should have caught on to his automatic assumption that there was a regular cop >_<I'm assuming that no one noticed TheThirdKoopa's soft claim on post #579 in which he states:
This. I'm not voting Armor on policy, I'm voting him because based on my reread, he was pretty much the most stanceless and scummiest player I saw. I would be fine with either his or RR's lynch.fyi armor isn't a policy lynch for me, i legitly think he's scummy based on the iso i intended to do a long time ago and didn't get around to until today
This is a good point. I hadn't thought of it this way, but thinking about it: it doesn't sit right with me that Ryker would use such a gambit ONLY to save his hide, knowing that he could potentially end up switching the wagon to a mis-lynch on a PR.This is the part that kills me. It was Ryker's own gambit. Perhaps I'm being egocentric or putting too much stock in Ryker, but honestly I would EXPECT Ryker of all people with respect to his OWN gambit to see the cop "soft claim". The fact that he didn't comment on it, didn't react to it, or didn't take it into account when he voted bothers me. Honestly. Kooz was even pushing early game that Ryker would attempt to do something to deter the lynch away from him and then Kooz pushes off his wagon. Idek.
Was going to post, then didn't want to. My motivation to play this has diminished with the amount of content, I'd be okay with my own lynch, but that'd be a **** move to my faction.What happened to this?
I do care who we lynch. If I didn't, wouldn't my vote have been on TTK, who was inactive, after expressing my dislike for inactives early on? I held back. I told myself there was no reasoning to indicate that he was scum.there is nowhere in this game where he actually cares who we lynch, he starts out raging at inactives and then later turns to vaguely saying "ok erm im ok with these lynches i guess but i won't actually go for em"
So you bring up some good points on Armor here, but later....FoS-because-vote-would-put-him-at-L_1: Armor
look at this garbage
623- he doesn't like the extension
867/623- he throws out names with no follow-up all over
902,921- lots of promises of content later, no content, despite approaching deadline
628/631/642- is good with TTK lynch on basis that ryker (DESPITE EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY) will produce a good case later
you know what i see here? scum who'se good with any lynch. he didn't want an extension yesterday despite having no-one he really wanted to lynch. He never pushes ryker, instead sort of vaguely prods in TTK's direction without committing (685,867), despite not giving any reason for TTK lynch but having a reason (867) to go after ryker.
there is nowhere in this game where he actually cares who we lynch, he starts out raging at inactives and then later turns to vaguely saying "ok erm im ok with these lynches i guess but i won't actually go for em"
i don't have time to link all his posts, just search this thread for his posts and open em all in order in new tabs to check my cites, thats what i do
Same things here, and I agree with this to be quite frank.Hey guys I have a great idea. Let's policy lynch all the inactives and hope we hit scum. I personally find it unsettling that we're pushing on people that aren't push back. But hey, hopefully he's ***** scum and if he flips town then we can proceed and lynch the next inactive on our list. To be honest, I'm not thrilled by Armor's posts upon my re-read. But I don't like how town is just pushing down the path of least resistance. It bites.
Fynal you seem to have these bursts of activity when it comes to deciding on a player or a strong potential wagon. I will admit that I'm mostly basing this on early game when you composed a case against Soupa that I felt you created without bothering to question/scumhunt Soupa. I get this similar vibe with you voting Armor today and using the same bullet list format when I have seen little interaction between you and Armor when it comes to actual game play. I will admit that I didn't focus on your play in middle-late D1, however you strike me as being jumpish with your reads and I'm not sure how to interpret such behavior at the moment.
I get nothing except anything he would have gotten as a result of his role.ditto 973, except that i was a lot more interested in the ryker lynch.
asdioh is town, as of quick re-read
fyi armor isn't a policy lynch for me, i legitly think he's scummy based on the iso i intended to do a long time ago and didn't get around to until today
@Acro:
1. fypov = from your point of view?
2. are you interested in RR lynch based on ryker slot scummyness? (i am)
3. do you expect RR to know/understand all of ryker's thinking? (i.e. your 972)
@people: how much info do replacements get from the people they replace?
This is really bad WIFOM.This is the part that kills me. It was Ryker's own gambit. Perhaps I'm being egocentric or putting too much stock in Ryker, but honestly I would EXPECT Ryker of all people with respect to his OWN gambit to see the cop "soft claim". The fact that he didn't comment on it, didn't react to it, or didn't take it into account when he voted bothers me. Honestly. Kooz was even pushing early game that Ryker would attempt to do something to deter the lynch away from him and then Kooz pushes off his wagon. Idek.
And then you put the vote back on me after your first two posts? What?so apparently i'm leaving for ohio at 4 pm tomorrow -_____________-
hopefully i'll have some internet access at least
ryker's gambit = scum fishing for cop to lynch? lets be honest, that TTK lynch came out of freaking nowhere for ryker, he said himself he had no reasons
down for lynching ryker(RR) or armor anytime now
vote: RR
i'm pretty even on which i want atm, voting RR as to have a vote and not have armor at L-1
He wasn't trying to out PR's he was trying to save his own hide.I agree Fynal, that's what I'm seeing too.
WHY on EARTH would someone want to out potential PR's when they could try to actually USE their slot. You'd expect Ryker to do something about his gambit if he's gonna' try so hard just to stay alive (as a claimed vanilla).
I could go for either lynch.
A Red Ruy lynch would provide more in terms of connections to other players, as Armor's activity has been sparse. I'd suggest copping him, but...
I don't even know what the first two paragraphs mean. It's mostly a back and forth of two ideas that don't make sense together.Was going to post, then didn't want to. My motivation to play this has diminished with the amount of content, I'd be okay with my own lynch, but that'd be a **** move to my faction.
I do care who we lynch. If I didn't, wouldn't my vote have been on TTK, who was inactive, after expressing my dislike for inactives early on? I held back. I told myself there was no reasoning to indicate that he was scum.
RR/Ryker stuff... Ryker was trying to save his butt, no question. I'd totally think that's all there was to it, but ryker wouldn't move the lynch to just anyone, would he...?
O_O
Would he?
Vote: RR
Fair enough.ryker was my top scumpick for like the second half of yesterDay. i didn't want to vote him as soon as toDay began because i wanted to get some re-reads in first. which i didn't until yesterday, because derpload of work and IRL stuff
Why was the Gambit scummy?If i'm going to totally ignore ryker's meta, and take him like anyone else, than what he did yesterday was HELLA FREAKING SCUMMY
Stop doing this.If i'm going to take who ryker is into account, then it seems really ****ing suspicious that he would gambit being daycop and not notice how people reacted, and then just happen to pick someone who softclaimed cop to be his reasonless target for lynching
Why was the Gambit scummy?
Heck before he tried to deflect it, he dropped out of the, "I'm a day cop"
Just because he happened to pick the vanilla cop, doesn't mean the intent was scummy. Define this.
the whole point is that ryker claimed daycop to see if he could find a cop slip/softclaim, then he saw the claim, then he pushed TTK because he saw the claim.Stop doing this.
This is not a case. It's really bad WIFOM.
First off, he would have to have prior knowledge that he was picking the cop, key he didn't. Second he would have had to have caught that crumb, also key no one thought it was a crumb until our cop did flip.
Your condemning him for being a VT and pushing a lynch that wasn't his own? Excuse me but should I then ask you to push yourself instead of others?
did you read anything I posted yesterDay? i didn't say anything about his gambit being scummy. It was other things, like him being a VT who was pushing for any lynch that wasn't his own, with no reasons behind the lynch.
back to classwork...
Stop doing this.the whole point is that ryker claimed daycop to see if he could find a cop slip/softclaim, then he saw the claim, then he pushed TTK because he saw the claim.
the fact that none of us saw the softclaim doesn't mean that ryker, a player with a lot more experience, didn't see the softclaim
-are you saying that ryker claimed daycop, but didn't look for people's reactions?
-if not, are you saying ryker did look for people's reactions, but missed exactly what he was looking for (despite being a player of his skill), and just happened to get (un)lucky with his random "not me" lynch pick?
I don't know what their reads are on each other and hence I don't have any thoughts on their reads of each other.Sorry Gova, I more meant their posts wrt each other. Like, give me your thoughts on july's read on fm and fm's read on july.
Can you explain why you didn't want to post? Lurking is anti-town behavior and admitting to lurk intentionally as a choice makes me inclined to ask why you are choosing to make this game difficult for those of us who do want to play in it.Armor said:Was going to post, then didn't want to.
Can you explain why the addition of content has made you aversive to engaging in further play? If anything activity should inspire you to play, rather than detract from your level of interest.Armor said:My motivation to play this has diminished with the amount of content
... "my faction" ... That is an awfully awkward way of saying you're town...Armor said:I'd be okay with my own lynch, but that'd be a **** move to my faction.