Awkward Moments Mafia - Game over! Scum wins! Will a SD game ever see a town victory?

[#HBC | Acrostic]

... because when I think of a faction that plays to not getting lynched, I'm more inclined to think that is the intent of mafia over the intention of town.

 

[Kantrip]

I don't know what their reads are on each other and hence I don't have any thoughts on their reads of each other.

Still haven't read anything, been busy with school.

Alright. Well they have fairly large posts earlier on where they describe a scum read on each other. Read when you get a chance; thanks.

@Red Ryu, Acrostic, Armor, Fynal: Tell me who you would lynch right now if you couldn't choose Red Ryu or Armor, please.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

@Red Ryu, Acrostic, Armor, Fynal: Tell me who you would lynch right now if you couldn't choose Red Ryu or Armor, please.

I still have to work out one more slot and decide on one more relationship before I feel comfortable with answering this question.

 

[Kantrip]

Alright, that's fine. Do you think you'll have it sorted out before deadline?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Alright, that's fine. Do you think you'll have it sorted out before deadline?

Unlikely, but I'll do my best. On the positive side, I should be overall available this weekend assuming my parents don't plan anything spur of the moment.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Acrostic I really like your avatars. They're like, really trippy, in a good way.

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Gova has requested to be replaced. Searching for a replacement now.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

A. I finished doing a second re-read through the thread. There are some things that I would like clarified:

1. Town read on Kantrip.
2. Slight town read on Fragmental.
3. Town read on Asdioh.

These three reads seem to be the "collective consensus" that I've observed thus far and I would appreciate logic/justification/reasoning for all three of these points before we end today.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

B. Relationship Reads:
1. th3kuzinator/Kantrip are not a scum team. The primary indicator in my mind that points to this is Kantrip's #73 in which he opens the paragraph with the following statement:

Sorry kuz, I was watching Survivor with my family and didn't have time to post anything.

If this was a scum to scum interaction, I see very little reason for Kantrip to apologize to th3kuzinator and also to come up with a reason as to why he was unable to post new content for the day. This post is more or less a catalyst to behavior that is more indicative of TvS / TvT in which th3kuzinator feels obligated to press Kantrip being town throughout the course of the day. Something that I would not expect of typical scum partner behavior (unless distancing) but in conjunction with this early read doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

That feel when you are unable to finish a long post because it is late at night and come back assuming that someone is going to ask you, "Is that all you got?" That feel when wake up and realize no one has bothered to post since you last left it.

 

[Kantrip]

That feel when your power goes out and you're forced to go to bed.

At least it's back now.

Your relationship read is interesting. I never thought to read people like that.

Is that all you got?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

C. Individual Reads:
1. Armor is slight town. I believe Kooz used the designation dumb or scum and he said he was siding with the former. I don't believe that this dichotomy is appropriate as you can have inconsistent/inadequate play from scum. I do believe that Armor's playing has been hypocritical and messy, but I don't see the rational behind his current play style if he was mafia:

6. thethirdkoopa (6) - J, th3kuzinator, Kantrip, Ryker, Armor, Fynal

It's comments like this that really shake my read on him. Armor definitely needs to either get his *** in this game, ESPECIALLY now, or he needs to consider replacing out. Because he is definitely going to be an end game liability along with Fragmental/Gova.

b. Armor is perhaps the most blatant hypocrite I've seen in this game:

... who was inactive, after expressing my dislike for inactives early on?

I've already learned this lesson. Lynching inactives is fine.

Vote: Gova Inactivity is my enemy!

The unvote was b/c of activity. I'm not just going to vote inactives, but I REALLY ****ing hate inactivity after straight-up being beaten by it. It's a sore spot atm.

Spoiler

I mean, FoS'ing and placing votes on people for inactivity when your post count is sub-Sworddancer is just blatant hypocrisy. Almost as blatant as saying that you didn't vote TTK when you really did. But the question remains is whether or not this is the type of transparent hypocrisy and messy play that an aligned mafia player would play. And to be honest, I don't see why scum would play so poorly as to let these blatant transparencies be let out in the open.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Acrostic I really like your avatars. They're like, really trippy, in a good way.[/B]

Thanks Sword. What do you think of my Armor read btw?

 

[Asdioh]

Then who do you have an interest in lynching, since the deadline is tomorrow night?

Your vote seems to be on FM, but I don't remember why?

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Then who do you have an interest in lynching, since the deadline is tomorrow night?

Your vote seems to be on FM, but I don't remember why?

Oh. That was July. o_o

Unvote: Fragmental

 

[Kantrip]

Interesting. I still think Armor's hypocrisy is more scummy, but I see where you're coming from.

Yeah, I would like to know your top scumpick that we should lynch toDay.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Currently thinking about lynching between Fynal/Red Ryu. Leaning towards Red Ryu at the moment. Don't want to lynch Armor today. Asdioh does Fynal/Red Ryu look like TvT or TvS. You said that you had a town read on Fynal, did you also gain a town read on Ryker during D1 phase? Also could you elaborate on your Armor scum read. If you already posted it then please link me.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

A. I finished doing a second re-read through the thread. There are some things that I would like clarified:

1. Town read on Kantrip.
2. Slight town read on Fragmental.
3. Town read on Asdioh.

These three reads seem to be the "collective consensus" that I've observed thus far and I would appreciate logic/justification/reasoning for all three of these points before we end today.

Also this when anyone has the time.

 

[Kantrip]

Could you elaborate on your reads on Fynal and RR, please?

 

[Asdioh]

Fynal is one of my strongest town reads, this happened when I was rereading D1.
Ryker always looks scummy, especially since he keeps flipping inactive scum over and over. In retrospect, we should have lynched him D1, but I wasn't really here at the end of D1 and uhhh a TTK lynched magically happened.

Armor... I haven't seen anything from him that resembles a stance aside from "I'm going to pressure inactives"

Again, RR or Armor lynch are fine by me. Supposedly, according to early D1 stuff, they "aren't scum together" so keep that in mind.

 

[Kantrip]

Asdioh, where is the "they aren't scum together" from?

Do you agree with it?

 

[Asdioh]

I think it was Kuz that pointed it out, Armor and Ryker had some weird interaction that did not look SvS.

I don't think I'll say can't be scum together, but I think most likely aren't is very true, especially with Armor recently trying to get RR lynched.

 

[Kantrip]

Hmmm. So what would you say on a town flip? Does that make it more likely that the other is scum?

I'd say it would just from PoE, but what about from interactions?

 

[Kantrip]

Speaking of kuz:

It's the weekend, where you at?

 

[Asdioh]

I don't know. I'd say at least one of them is most likely scum, but it's really crappy to say "if one flips town, lynch the other" as a blanket statement, because if that's wrong it will most likely lose us the game >_>

 

[FragMental]

I don't understand why anyone would jump to the assumption that there is a cop in a closed setup when there could be trackers, watchers, and a bevy of other roles to replace the traditional cop role ESPECIALLY with a day cop claim already in play. In addition TK doubting the presence of a day cop claim, however insisting there is another type of cop in the setup strikes me as a pretty strong soft claim.

I don't know TK, but from my point of view knowing him didn't really mean anything seeing as how you weren't able to press a confident read (slight town read IIRC) on his alignment. Usually when I see someone press a relationship, I hope that it will lead to a greater accuracy in reads and help out scum via PoE.

Most of your interaction with TK fmpov was filler and iffy alignment reads. I am not assuming that familiarity = more assurance in reads. But I am curious what to make of your choice to be familiar with him rather than attempt to secure a read on him early on in this game.

That's your perspective then, haha.

Good for you. I don't care if it doesn't mean anything to you, quite honestly. Nor do I care about your supposed expectations of my play.

And that's all it is. From your point of view. I like how you seemingly assume I derived nothing from my banter with him.

Ryker claimed VT somewhere around Page 12. Then he claimed Day Cop on Page 15. It could have been taken as either a gambit or a scum slip. It really didn't strike me as the sort of, "Aha! Look at what I noticed!" interaction when I was re-reading. Especially when this was touched upon by TK that there was an inconsistency somewhere on 13/14 and Asdioh quoted it indicating that there was attention being placed on it before hand.

I guess?

The tone of this paragraph makes me inclined to think that you believed TK was town. With regards to gambits, I only noticed two when I did my reading. Kooz's initial gambit of having mod confirmed information with regards to a town read and then there was Ryker's day cop gambit. I think that superfluous is an incorrect way of phrasing the gambit as it "outed" the cop in some form and if he wasn't lynched, I have some suspicions that TK would have been night killed. Another assumption I am making based on the tone of this post is that you would have been "okay" with a Ryker/Gova lynch. Which begs to question why you didn't choose to place a vote at the end of D1 for either Ryker or Gova and withheld your vote.

If you are town then it is highly likely that you will make it to mylo/lylo for being negligent and unreliable. Will you also be a non-entity when it comes to such a situation as it did D1?

Hence the "seemingly"...? And I already said that I was busy then... I'll commit to a vote today.

No, because LYLO is fun. <3

He's a policy lynch then fypov. I.E. we're lynching him because he's been inactive and not responding as frequently as we would like.

If that's how you wish to derive it?

Only post I've read since my (small) absence. Continuing onwards...

 

[Gova]

I don't think I've been officially replaced yet but I did request replacement but there is one thing I want to say that's been bugging me. TTK is a vanilla cop but everyone seems to think he was a regular cop.

 

[FragMental]

I think it was Kuz that pointed it out, Armor and Ryker had some weird interaction that did not look SvS.

I don't think I'll say can't be scum together, but I think most likely aren't is very true, especially with Armor recently trying to get RR lynched.

I can agree with this. I don't see Armor and RR (formally Ryker) being scum together. And I would honestly prefer lynching RR over Armor if I were to choose which one of them were scum. I feel there's a lot more information to be gained no matter RR's flip while Armor... doesn't get us much anywhere. In my eyes, anyway.

 

[FragMental]

Also, I feel a bit better about Acrostic's slot now from seeing his recent posts.

 

[Asdioh]

I don't think I've been officially replaced yet but I did request replacement but there is one thing I want to say that's been bugging me. TTK is a vanilla cop but everyone seems to think he was a regular cop.

And what's the difference?

Why didn't I like FM's 1025?

 

[Asdioh]

Is it because of delicious margarita? The world may never know.
But seriously it seemed kind of defensive or something I guess maybe

 

[Gova]

Vanilla cops check to see if someone is a vanilla townie or not...

 

[Asdioh]

Vanilla cops check to see if someone is a vanilla townie or not...

who would have thought

 

[Fynal]

So apparently my Internet access consists of bribing my sister into letting me use her ipad2

Gahhhhh I don't know about RR anymore... I have been giving ryker way too much credit, it just seems so freaking weird that he'd pull a gambit like that, not catch the result, and then have his reasonless "not me" lynch be the cop...
Also whoever it was has a point that ryker does play scummy, ehhhblehhh

unvote
FoS RR

I don't like him. Goddamn I don't even know

More inabit

 

[Fynal]

I still don't like armor at all

I don't buy "he wouldn't do these scummy things as scum" given that it's his first scum game (iirc). This entire game he's been keeping all his options open, throwing around names with no backing, often pointing out scumminess and then voting a totally different person

request vote count

I'm at 3% power here, gonna muddle through my ryker wifom a little more tonight and post again tomorrow if I can


I have no idea who I'd lynch if not RR/armor. I probably would if I'd had more time recently

 

[Armor]

Just because Ryker has a lot more experience doesn't mean crap. Your expecting him to play perfectly, this never ever ever ever happens. Ryker is good, he is not a robot. Ypur playing an awful game of WIFOM where you trying to push a terrible assumption Ryker knew the crumb on sight. Where is this apparent?

... udumb son?
It was a gambit (looking for reactions) and you're saying that he didn't see a reaction (that he might've been looking out for specifically,) and then moved the lynch to a person entirely at random?
This isn't WIFOM, it's the result of your slot's gambit.

Can you explain why you didn't want to post? Lurking is anti-town behavior and admitting to lurk intentionally as a choice makes me inclined to ask why you are choosing to make this game difficult for those of us who do want to play in it.

The same reason I skipped 2 classes the day after that. I didn't feel like doing ****.

... "my faction" ... That is an awfully awkward way of saying you're town...

I could say "it's a **** move to town", but by saying "my faction" I reference the people I'm aligned with, without making a baseless statement about my alignment.

... because when I think of a faction that plays to not getting lynched, I'm more inclined to think that is the intent of mafia over the intention of town.

-_- if I were town and bored of the game, would you like me to get myself lynched? I can do that. But that hurts towns numbers pretty ****ing bad.

@Red Ryu, Acrostic, Armor, Fynal: Tell me who you would lynch right now if you couldn't choose Red Ryu or Armor, please.

Hmm... FM. Little content, about as much as me, and plenty of that is joking with TTK. Along with being the 2nd most stanceless player in this game.
Maybe Acrostic for Soup content/read on FM.
Making an assumption that those 2 are scum: Acrostic calling FM obvtown by consensus (when I'd say people disagree, right?), and then FM saying she feels better about the slot soon afterwards seems like a terribly obvious attempt to make themselves look town together.


@1011: Didn't find anything appropriate to quote. Anyway, I'm not a hypocrite, I'm massively forgetful. Definitely didn't think I voted him, I'm an idiot. As for why not replace out? If gova replaces, that'll be our 3rd replacement already. Not sure there are that many fish in the sea, but if there are...
@Mod: Request replacement

 

[Kantrip]

... udumb son?
It was a gambit (looking for reactions) and you're saying that he didn't see a reaction (that he might've been looking out for specifically,) and then moved the lynch to a person entirely at random?
This isn't WIFOM, it's the result of your slot's gambit.

Anything to back this up? It would be just as reasonable to say Ryker is scum and it wasn't a gambit for reads, but a gambit to save his ***.

Am I wrong in thinking this?

The same reason I skipped 2 classes the day after that. I didn't feel like doing ****.

That's not good. Skipping class is scummy behaviour

I could say "it's a **** move to town", but by saying "my faction" I reference the people I'm aligned with, without making a baseless statement about my alignment.

If you're aligned with town, you can just say "it would be a **** move for town". The way you worded it before was very awkward.

-_- if I were town and bored of the game, would you like me to get myself lynched? I can do that. But that hurts towns numbers pretty ****ing bad.

If you're town, I'd much rather you replace out if you REALLY don't want to play. I wish you would stay in, though. Problem is, I don't particularly think that you're town, so your lynch doesn't seem like a bad idea to me.

Hmm... FM. Little content, about as much as me, and plenty of that is joking with TTK. Along with being the 2nd most stanceless player in this game.
Maybe Acrostic for Soup content/read on FM.
Making an assumption that those 2 are scum: Acrostic calling FM obvtown by consensus (when I'd say people disagree, right?), and then FM saying she feels better about the slot soon afterwards seems like a terribly obvious attempt to make themselves look town together.

Hmm. FM for having little content? FM's had much more content than you, and more than Gova as well. Elaborate on Acrostic, I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "Soup content and read on FM."

@1011: Didn't find anything appropriate to quote. Anyway, I'm not a hypocrite, I'm massively forgetful. Definitely didn't think I voted him, I'm an idiot. As for why not replace out? If gova replaces, that'll be our 3rd replacement already. Not sure there are that many fish in the sea, but if there are...
@Mod: Request replacement[/COLOR]

Gross. You seriously forgot that you were part of the wagon to get TTK lynched? Iirc, you were also a stanceless wagon-hopper who joined in mid-wagon. I don't like the AtE, either.

Yeah, Armor can die.

 

[th3kuzinator]

funny story was gonna go home for the weekend and then play so much mafia but then as soon as i hot home all my friends wanted to hang out instantly so i didnt get to play mafia becuz i was busy but now im really high and wouldnt know down from up or right from left but thats fine i think i will be on tomorrow to say tjings to yuou all todalooooß

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Modkill: Kuzi for lacking any punctuation whatsoever

Also, felipe_9595 replaces Gova. Thanks, felipe!

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Deadline will be extended by 48 hours since someone replaced in so late into the Day.

 

[Kantrip]

Cool.

Hi felipe! Hope to see what you have to say as soon as you can share it.