I missed playing with an interesting player... Bah!
I still do not like FragMental tbh, And I think that his reaction to Ryker's gambit is null; of course as town he would say that he didn't recieve a pm, but as scum he would be dumb to say he received a message when he didn't anyways. His response to the gambit after that was very reactive; he asked other people how they felt but he's been very reluctant to give his own reads unless provoked, especially when it comes to Ryker who was the main wagon at the time and whose gambit is something worthy of conversation.
Just because it's a dumb action doesn't mean it's an impossibility, for future reference. Nevertheless, I could have gone along with Ryker's little gambit, but I didn't see the value in doing such. I would like to think he was acting on his earlier read of me, but I cannot discern his true motive with it.
Admittedly I like Ryker's recent posts, even though I didn't like his gambit it's something I could see him doing as town. I'm not completely comfortable with him, but I'm not as comfortable lynching him either. I would be fine with lynching Gova, as well as Frag which is my personal scum pick but I haven't and don't have time to make a case toDay ><
You should have pushed for me instead of Gova if you really feel that strongly about me being scum. I personally feel one should stick to their own perspective and strongest scumread unless it compromises the success of the town at at least garnering a flip. Which is why I suspect you voted Gova instead because of this understanding...
FM. That's probably not realistic though, so then yeah Gova.
But regardless. Otherwise it makes your position look halfhearted, wouldn't you agree? Though you at least address Ryker here. I honestly don't know what to feel about him at this point. I want to say that seemingly "superfluous" gambit had some town intent but at the same time his reads have been sort of disjointed, especially on Gova... Very unlikely that Gova and Ryker are scum together though, looking into following posts.
I don't think I can apply the same justification for a Gova townread like Kuz did earlier...
Do you really think Gova would be entirely disinterested as being lynched as scum on D1? Regardless of whether he has more time or not, he would not want to damn a scummate by letting himself get lynched so easily during the first Day. I do think his apathetic style is very telling.
It's very presumptuous to go along this reasoning (see: definition of WIFOM, even though this can be applied universally), don't you think? Should one be excused as scum just because they act apathetic and indifferent in every game, thus leading you to believe they are town? That's a very sloppy read to apply on such a faulty basis. I don't like this post.
For Gova, this is a telling post for me because it seems more like town trying to get info out of their lynch for town before they are lynched instead of scumGova trying to fake it before he is lynched. So in my opinion, I do see town-intent behind Gova.
Now that's more like a reasoning I could understand for a Gova townread.
Responds to Fynal on a read on Kuz and TTK. The TTK read I disliked and brought up at the time because he goes through a tremendous amount of effort and says that TTK “gets the embodiment of all his hatred and scumreads” for no reason and ultimately reveals that TTK is actually pretty null for him throughout the entirety of this post.
Pretty sure I explained that I was being a silly nilly with that post. Of course I had a null read of TK - he had very little posts at the time and I need more content from him before I could decide a proper read.
This is where I really started to develop a scum read on FM. When asked about RF he gives no real read on him, just says that he’s not 100% on the lynch but would be fine lynching him anyways. Gova read is the only read that has really come unprovoked so far, and like every other read it’s a town read and its very weak. I wanted more content from him and his response was that he’s already provided a good deal of reads and that they haven’t changed, which isn’t good because all the past reads were weak and poorly substantiated (actually for ones like Gova, Asdioh, etc they are completely unsubstantiated), no talk of scum reads and no input on current events in thread.
I can accept this reasoning quite easily, though I don't ever recall you asking me to EXPOUND, just that you desired my reads. It's been a while though, so maybe I'm just remembering quite erroneously... And it's not as if I can elaborate very concretely on such grounds to begin with; it was D1 and I only had slight "vibes" to work with that early, if you will.
FM made it quite clear that he didn’t want to discuss current events because they were “boring” and “drawn out” in respect to RF, but the discussions about RF going on in the thread were important and refusing to take part in it but then voting RF just to get a flip just isn’t logical to me. He then says in the same post in which he votes that he doesn’t get the best vibes from the RF wagon, but he’s willing to go along with I anyways and it all just seems so passive and it’s not just that he doesn’t know who to vote, but he doesn’t seem to want to scumhunt and is thus perfectly content just letting the RF wagon ride and propose no one else to be looked into despite that mild contention to the wagon.
And you were perfectly content to vote Gova or Ryker instead of me, your prominent scumread. Why ride those other wagons, just because you didn't have enough time? Also, I'm quite a difficult player and will lose interest if I'm not having fun. That's all I meant on the RF subject with those words. And I personally like a concrete flip before developing my reads further, I am definitely not an earlygame player and won't pretend to be such.
However this is all he says about the gambit. He doesn’t question Ryker’s intentions, or why he chose to include FM in the gambit above anyone else, rather he just says it doesn’t seem suspicious and moves on. I feel like there was so much going on and so much to be said, and he had to have a reason WHY he didn’t think it was suspicious and yet this is all he cared to contribute.
I assumed he was acting on his prior read of me in an erratic fashion for whatever reason, so I didn't feel the need to push it too much at the time. However, it is ultimately up to Ryker to say exactly
why he performed such behavior.
The last part I still stand by the fact that FM did not put himself out there AT ALL, he addresses only what he wants to, gives reads only when provoked, and makes as few connections as possible.
I can see the other points (especially since I'm reactive as hell to a fault sometimes), but of course I only address what I feel is relevant. I don't see how this points anywhere in particular.
Overall, Kuz looks a bit iffier to me but I honestly think he's just using flawed reasoning and nothing more for just that read in particular, he's still slightly town. Gova is being lax as ever so I still have a townread, however I feel Ryker would be more likely scum then Gova for his inconsistency. July is... Interesting to say the least, I feel she's been too focused on tunneling me but her backing for the vote is mostly articulated reasonably. I find Armor to be worse than Gova at the moment, mostly background (yay hypocrisy!) posting in my eyes. Asdioh and Kantrip still look townish to me for their continual contribution and I just don't notice any scum intent in their posts. Fynal... Eh, not sure. I like some of his content but at other times I get a bad gut feeling about him for whatever reason. I'll have to pay attention to him more.
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