Awkward Moments Mafia - Game over! Scum wins! Will a SD game ever see a town victory?

[July]

Well I'll give you the short version now and if you would like a longer more extensive version I can try and give you one some other time but deadline's closing in so. =P

The reason I dislike TTK can be found in my notes section when I first got here because I disliked most, if not all, of his posts thus far. I have yet to see one that I can say that makes me feel that he is town. On the other side of it, I have seen posts that make me think that he is more scummy rather than dummy. His early posts were a bit too jokey for my tastes even when the conversation was beginning to heat up and when he did try and post some content, it came off as fake. I can't recall a read of his that was backed up properly and not just following the main conversation. His inactivity is frightening too, but he could just be busy yet it is a bit too inactive for my tastes. I need some actual substance because there is none. When he does post, there is nothing but just a whole lot of air. He has yet to scum-hunt and therefore he rests at the bottom of my town reads landing him as a scum-pick of mine.

I hope that puts some clarity to things. Now can you tell me why, if you do, you like TTK? I mean you said in the ISO you found nothing but that's kind of the point, there's nothing substantial from him regardless if he is here or not.



Fynal, your logics are sound and make complete sense. However, the thing of the matter is the person you are dealing with is known for thinking that he is the best player that ever lived and therefore is even better than keeping himself alive over PRs.

Question is that I am fighting back, why should Ryker get special treatment? This is a scummy as hell thing to do and is purely self-preservation. Personally, my reasons for not lynching him are because I find others scummier, but I actually have no reservation about him being lynched. At the current time, he is looking nothing more than a liability for late game even if he is town because of his play thus far. The only thing that is keeping him alive is Kuzi willing to go along with me because he sees what I may be getting at with TTK (so has a few others) and his reputation. Otherwise, you are correct to say he would be getting lynched if this was a normal situation. It just isn't when you are dealing with Ryker however.

Let me fire a question back at you, to you this is a scummy move and you are accusing him for that. However, what if this is how he always was, regardless of his alignment? Would that change your train of thought at all or would you still lynch him based on what you have found?

As I have explained above, I would prefer we lynched TTK, but if I cannot acquire that lynch, Ryker should go over Gova. Bottom line for me haha. ^^

@J: Please address my post about TTK, it seems I disagree with you 100% on that read; I definitely don't see what you see. Also can you explain to me how the bolded is any different form what FM has done? Definitely jokey as well, definitely inactive at points, and I don't see where any of FM's reads were backed up properly.

 

[#HBC | J]

July, while reading your post about FM and TTK it seemed like you were applying some things to FM as scum-tells while at the very same time you were saying that they were town-tells for TTK. The impression I got when you were looking at FM was a bit tunnely and you were glossing over what he had actually posted because you call him out for not having reads and not posting some thoughts on things, yet he does. However TTK may do that, he doesn't substantiate that. You say you like that you actually got reads but what does that do when they are not really backed up besides generic responses?

I hate to say it, but I think I could apply what you said as scummy to FM as scummy to TTK. It also has convinced me moreso that TTK is scummier than FM, and probably scummier because it reminded me of some things and backed up what I was thinking with FM. I just really do not agree to what you are saying w.r.t. FM. I mean, it seemed like for quite a few posts you actually liked what FM is saying and doing and even go into why you like his posts because you have to clarify why you like something from your scum-pick. However, when it comes to TTK and you say you like his posts or he has good points you don't really go into as much detail.

I am thankful you did the comparison but it doesn't do anything than make my resolution stronger for wanting TTK lynched and FM not lynched.

 

[#HBC | J]

@J: Please address my post about TTK, it seems I disagree with you 100% on that read; I definitely don't see what you see. Also can you explain to me how the bolded is any different form what FM has done? Definitely jokey as well, definitely inactive at points, and I don't see where any of FM's reads were backed up properly.

FM was jokey, but he still had stuff behind it.

Let's take an example. Recall when FM was joking around but during said jokeyness he voted TTK and also requested info out of him. However, when TTK was joking and things, nothing came from said jokes.

Plus the inactivity point isn't that much of a point I am pushing, however, if you insist my dear. Hasn't FM been saying that when he hasn't been posting he is busy however TTK doesn't really say why he was gone till he comes back? FM at least gives heads up from what I can remember. Also when he is here, I feel his posts are better than that of TTK's.

 

[#HBC | J]

I would love Kantrip's opinions on things while I'm here since I see him there. =O

 

[July]

July, while reading your post about FM and TTK it seemed like you were applying some things to FM as scum-tells while at the very same time you were saying that they were town-tells for TTK. The impression I got when you were looking at FM was a bit tunnely and you were glossing over what he had actually posted because you call him out for not having reads and not posting some thoughts on things, yet he does. However TTK may do that, he doesn't substantiate that. You say you like that you actually got reads but what does that do when they are not really backed up besides generic responses?

I hate to say it, but I think I could apply what you said as scummy to FM as scummy to TTK. It also has convinced me moreso that TTK is scummier than FM, and probably scummier because it reminded me of some things and backed up what I was thinking with FM. I just really do not agree to what you are saying w.r.t. FM. I mean, it seemed like for quite a few posts you actually liked what FM is saying and doing and even go into why you like his posts because you have to clarify why you like something from your scum-pick. However, when it comes to TTK and you say you like his posts or he has good points you don't really go into as much detail.

I am thankful you did the comparison but it doesn't do anything than make my resolution stronger for wanting TTK lynched and FM not lynched.

I feel like you are doing the same thing though, just applying scum-tells to TTK but not to Fm wrt activity, fluff/joking and such. And I did give credit to FM for things that I liked from him but my problem was he never backed things up, like he never questioned Ryker's gambit or his own role in it. Also do you think either of them has scumhunted at all? I can see questions that TTK has asked for the purpose of scumhunting, I only see questions from FM that are directed at TTK and are still partially joking OR that are asking people what we want from him. I don't see motivation to scumhunt from FM at all or any drive to lynch scum tbh.

 

[#HBC | J]

I actually have a question for you July. You have said that you have disdain for FM's slot, however you have only been really pushing him as of late. I mean really pushing. Can you give me a short reason as to why? If I am mistaken, please show me the posts in which you had been actively scum-hunting on FM and pushing him. Thanks.

 

[#HBC | J]

like he never questioned Ryker's gambit or his own role in it.

Tell me, could his reaction and non-chalant behaviour towards this gambit be considered a town-tell since he has nothing to worry about since he has nothing to hide as town?

I don't see motivation to scumhunt from FM at all or any drive to lynch scum tbh.

I know you ISO'd him but I still do not get from your post that he has none whatsoever, to me that seems like TTK for the exact reasons we've both stated for him.

 

[July]

I actually have a question for you July. You have said that you have disdain for FM's slot, however you have only been really pushing him as of late. I mean really pushing. Can you give me a short reason as to why? If I am mistaken, please show me the posts in which you had been actively scum-hunting on FM and pushing him. Thanks.

Classes. That was the main reason I didn't get to dig into FM and focused on Ryker's stupid gambit instead.

I noted where my suspicions of him took hold, but then after that I was for the most part inactive and Ryker's gambit was the main event in the thread. However, I am well aware that his gambit makes it highly highly unlikely that FM and Ryker are scum together, but from Ryker's latest posts and a reread on FM I do think FM is more likely to pop scum than Ryker, and both are more likely than TTK.

 

[#HBC | J]

Ryker (3)
TTK (2)
Gova (3)

Last I remember that's where the vote lie with the last change of events. Tomorrow's deadline and I'll change my vote to Ryker if needed but I still suggest TTK>Ryker. I won't be voting Gova unless it's like 5:59pm and I am the only one here needed to vote him. I really don't wanna have him lynched over the other two.

 

[July]

Tell me, could his reaction and non-chalant behaviour towards this gambit be considered a town-tell since he has nothing to worry about since he has nothing to hide as town?



I know you ISO'd him but I still do not get from your post that he has none whatsoever, to me that seems like TTK for the exact reasons we've both stated for him.

Perhaps. But what does town gain by not asking questions about it? Everyone else who was here got involved in the discussion except FM, same with when the Ryker wagon started.

The last part I still stand by the fact that FM did not put himself out there AT ALL, he addresses only what he wants to, gives reads only when provoked, and makes as few connections as possible. TTK has been much more vocal and active.

 

[July]

EBWOP: Active as in providing things unprovoked, not as in activity in which they have both been quite terrible (as have I at times but meh).

 

[Fynal]

@july: which recent posts from ryker make him feel town/less-scummy?

@kuz: would you rather have ryker over TTK toDay?

@J: if i assume ryker always posts like he has to survive no matter what, then i'd look at his content, which in this game i don't like. See a bunch of posts i made earlier toDay. Also his recent fixation on lynching gova, despite admitting he wants a gova lynch to prevent his own. I believe he mentions TTK only once recently, in 781, whereas most of his other posts are defending his view on gova vs kuz even though he said he just wanted a lynch other than his own.

as for TTK, i don't think there was ever anything i liked about him, when i iso'd him i found basically what you found but interpreted it as null. I don't really buy into early game fluffing-when-content-just-starts being scummy. Also he had some interaction with Ryker that was ok, like 517. I'm mulling this one over atm.

 

[Kantrip]

Wow, there was a lot to catch up on all of a sudden. Hi J, thanks for replacing in.

But seriously what the crap, slots replacing really messes one up, doesn't it? It's worse than a hydra.... Ah well, I like J substantially more than I liked Soup in this game.

Yeah, Gova was pretty much a policy lynch with not much more than "he could be scum..." Ryker, please don't try to justify otherwise, as it's pointless. I think we all know that you're trying to save your own arse, which is fine, but don't muddle our reads with BS. If you have some legitimate, non-WIFOM, non-hypocritical reasoning for your opinion, that's fine. As of now I'm pretty sure you don't.

That out of the way:

Unvote.

I think we have time to get a better lynch than this. Right now I stand as follows: I want to lynch Ryker or TTK. Ryker has both helped and hindered town more than TTK, and I'm not sure which he has really done more. Personally, I think he can live for ToDay and possibly be investigated or, at least looked into when we have a flip on the table. That said, I am more than willing to vote him out if a TTK lynch doesn't happen. I will only re-vote Gova if it comes down to a NL. But that's not happening, RIGHT GUYS?!?

I probably missed stuff, if you want me to address something, just tell me, I've got time right now. I'll read through some stuff again.

@Mod: Request Votecount.

 

[July]

@Fynal: #689 and #693.

 

[Fynal]

@Fynal: #689 and #693.

wow i took like the opposite read from those

mind explaining a bit?

i really really REALLY need to get off my chair and do the rest of my calc HW now. will check in before going to bed

 

[#HBC | J]

Kantrip, you should really vote TTK if you want him lynched otherwise it may not happen. =P

That's all I can say because I really gotta get back to my AP psych homework. x_X

 

[Kantrip]

I was asking for the vote count before I placed my vote. Ryker's post ninja'd me though.

Vote: Thethirdkoopa

 

[July]

wow i took like the opposite read from those

mind explaining a bit?

i really really REALLY need to get off my chair and do the rest of my calc HW now. will check in before going to bed

I like that he threw out some town reads first, before he started to go after his scum read on Gova, it makes me think he might have had a little bit of concern about reading the thread and providing content other than just saving himself. And he's right that votes on him at this point for inactivity alone are not justifiable, votes on Ryker should be because people think he has genuinely scummy content at this point. I also liked his interactions with Kuz a little later when they were arguing about Gova. All in all it boils down to a lot of the vibes and I know that, and that's why I'm willing to vote Ryker over TTK. I have town vibes from Ryker's latest posts but his actions, especially that gambit, could have scum motives, while TTK I see having town intentions, despite low activity.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Vote Count

1. Ryker (2) - Fynal, July
2. th3kuzinator (1) - MOD
3. Fynal
4. July (1) -Gova
5. J
6. thethirdkoopa (3) - J, th3kuzinator, Kantrip
7. Kantrip
8. FragMental
9. Gova (2) - Ryker, Asdioh
10. Armor
11. Asdioh

Not Voting: Armor, FragMental, thethirdkoopa

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh derp. Did smash boards remove it's system of quick edits or something?

 

[Fynal]

I like that he threw out some town reads first, before he started to go after his scum read on Gova, it makes me think he might have had a little bit of concern about reading the thread and providing content other than just saving himself. And he's right that votes on him at this point for inactivity alone are not justifiable, votes on Ryker should be because people think he has genuinely scummy content at this point. I also liked his interactions with Kuz a little later when they were arguing about Gova. All in all it boils down to a lot of the vibes and I know that, and that's why I'm willing to vote Ryker over TTK. I have town vibes from Ryker's latest posts but his actions, especially that gambit, could have scum motives, while TTK I see having town intentions, despite low activity.

@red: yes, obviously he was right there, but there wasn't anyone voting him purely because of his inactivity, i feel like he was trying to spin his opposition that way to make the votes on him look weaker than they really were

@orange: again, can you explain? i didn't like his defense of his lynch-someone-besides-ryker gova vote very much

 

[Fynal]

Oh derp. Did smash boards remove it's system of quick edits or something?

ayup

 

[Kantrip]

That awkward moment when Ryker gets lynched by a MODvote. That would be pretty funny

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Ok then. Since Ryker's edit was probably a quick edit, I'll take away that MOD vote.

 

[Kantrip]

Alright guys, I'm going with my physics class to an amusement park all day tomorrow, so I most likely won't make deadline. We should figure out what's going on.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Shadow Moth, making a black joke while not knowing that a black guy is actually near by, indie wierdo, has been modkilled!

Since he wasn't town the Day goes on.

SUCK IT MOTH

 

[Armor]

Oh my god my lack of activity.
Soup replacing out... Lol...
J, replacing in... doing his townie-looking stuff. The catchup post... tl;dr.

why is him looking for any lynch but his own as a VT not a massive scumtell?

Very much a good point. Though I'm not sure if this truly indicates if Ryker is scum, kinda wanna lynch him on this basis regardless.

If TTK doesn't make a post by the time I wake up, I'll vote him. With actual information around, and connections to draw from other flips, not crazy about this lynch, but as has been said, it's better than a NL, and he's not exactly a null read.

Comfortable with Ryker or TTK lynch. Unsure about Gova.


LMFAO, here I didn't believe Sold would do it. Went and got moth modkilled!

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Sold2, using bathrooms at baseball parks in general, indie lyncher, fulfills his wincon! He is now removed from the game.

The game continues.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Unvote Vote TKK

: / See you tomorrow.

 

[Kantrip]

Looks like TTK is gonna be claiming. Hopefully I can see and process the claim before deadline. There may not even be time for that, though.

 

[Armor]

Unvote Vote TKK

: / See you tomorrow.

Why so disappoint? Did "I want a lynch other than my own" turn into "I want to lynch Gova?"

Vote: TheThirdKoopa

School starts at deadline, gotta get ready/there, cya toMorrow

 

[#HBC | J]

Do not NL! ^^ That would not be good (haha kindof a no derp here but meh). Kuzi, if you really want Ryker you need to make the change happen sooner rather than later so the votes can move since you said you would still like a Ryker lynch. Just make sure a NL does not happen with the decision you are making. TTK is at L-1 and needs to claim. (*hint hint TTK*).

 

[Fynal]

I get home like 25 mins before the deadline, i still want a ryker lynch but to prevent NL i'll switch to TTK when i get home

won't have time to post before then

 

[th3kuzinator]

Long night but I'm here now.

I feel uneasy about the Koopa lynch solely based on the fact that he hasn't claimed and I never like putting myself in the position of taking out an unknown like that. I expected him to be here before deadline but at this rate it doesn't look like he'll show. I almost want to switch back to Ryker but with him at L-4 and others saying they won't be here in time for deadline I don't think I should risk it. I just hope others are here so that if TTK does get back and claim something vital we can switch back.

I think I'll be here again before the deadline but I have to go write an essay due by 6, ironically, so my activity may be spotty up until the deadline.

Cop should cop me, Ryker or J. Preferably me, I'd put that **** to good use (GF crumb).

Doc should protect me regardless of what he thinks of my alignment.

Godspeed.

 

[th3kuzinator]

TTK if you're reading this and you want to have any chance of survival, claim asap.

Also, @ J: What is your read on Ryker at the moment? I know you want his lynch over Gova's but I don't think you've explicitly stated your read on him after the recent interaction.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'll be here till deadline, but obviously won't support a switch to me if push comes to shove.

 

[Asdioh]

Damn busyness. I haven't had time to read the last two pages, and i have to brb once again. Who are we lynching?

 

[Fynal]

25 mins people

TTK where you at

 

[th3kuzinator]

Even if he were to claim we wouldn't be able to switch back in 20 minutes.

Lets finally get a ****ing flip.

 

[Fynal]

unvote vote TTK

have other stuff i need to do right now, not gonna wait 16 more mins for nothing to happen