If no one really knows the matchups, then why do you pretend one beats the other through pure arguing?
Yeah, doing ShDairUair online is just as easy as offline with Mario. So is the techchasing I mentioned and reaction speed necessary to pull off what Mario needs to do. You're looking at this a bit one sided here.
Where did I say that? Fox, when played competently has an advantageous time of living and killing him but in my opinion not online.
It's not like we're comparing against kirby here.
Yeah thanks. Flaming is the way to do, definitively proves your point.
Ok, so Falcon's combos are easy to do. And?
All muscle memory and timing. Delay should not affect you in this.
Ah, so you're talking about LAG now, are you?
6 frames? Really? Who the hell judges matchups by 5/6 frame delay matches?
Besides Kirby, who has very little and easy inputs compared to everyone else, can you really say this? I mean, I will concede that in LAG and strictly speaking, LAG, fox will get hurt simply because the ability to input all the button presses accurately is lowered. But when we're talking about low levels of delay, if you just assume fox is hurt the most for no good reason it's just dumb. Everything you mentioned just required muscle memory and timing which should be affected very little by delay.
As soon as you mentioned it when I said this topic sucked and didn't really accomplish anything.
What? Because I'm the one calling people ****ing ******** now, huh?
I never talked about Samus vs Jiggs since I really don't know who wins, but I do talk about the ones i think I know and i say why. The more obvious ones like Fox vs Jiggly. Some people think Jiggly beats Fox so I say why I don't think so. Theory fighting is completely objective if you back it up. It's better than saying " i beat people with this guy a lot so that matchup is wrong"
As for the other matchups that I think I know
Like Fox vs Falcon I still think is slightly Fox favored (very slightly) but I say why I think so and I base this on my matches against great Falcons such as Superboomfan and such.
In arguing these points, I ask people to refute me if they think I am wrong so we stir discussion. Discussion is good. I like to hear what people think about their matchups, especially obscure ones. If I didn't then I would just make my own matchup chart and say that's the truth.
When talking about Mario's easy technical ability you seem to be agreeing with me but I'm not sure.
I knew you were going to say why I am talking about Falcon and Kirby but its because you wanted examples of why I think Fox gets owned the most by delay.
And delay messes up anybody. You say it shouldn't but it will because it does. Sure people can adapt but those lost frames can mean the difference between a hit and a miss between people with slower reflexes. People do adapt but you still will make technical errors because of the delay. Isai messes up combos with even 1-2 frames of delay. Harder combos are substituted for simply the combos that are boring and work.
It's like you using Yoshi and doing the same old up-tilt to down-air drill over and over again to up-smash.
Those frames of delay can make the difference between your opponent shielding your down-air to up-air combo since the window is made wider for them to block, especially if they DI-ed away.
Fox is worse than Falcon as a result online but not in real life.
And also you seem to agree with me that you shouldn't base matches on 5-6 frame delay matches. Good, although I feel that they should be based in real-life, 0 delay matches.
Also I flame you because you ask for really obvious answers to questions that you should know since you are 2nd best in PPS. I don't see the need to be nice to people who ***** about everything when people are simply trying to get matchups done for the n00bies. I like this topic because in the end it helps drive the competitive scene of smash 64.
quote stolen from something else:
"matchups have pretty low significance [in 64] because there are a lot fewer bad match ups and less dramatic disparities between tier levels and characters. There are reasons why people bother to make these charts and its not to make you angry that your favorite character isn't considered very good, it's because it tells you something in a very general way about how a match-up may go for your character and indicates you are going to have to figure out why it's bad in specific and what you need to do about it.
Play who you want, learn your match-ups but don't discount people's hard work on matchups just because it hurts your feelings about your character (this clearly isn't applying to u Fire so don't quote this against me like you seem to always do). Skill is always a factor but so is your moveset, the greatest hitter of all time can't get many home runs without a bat."
I quoted Fireblaster and it says I quoted myself, odd
