Atlantic North *Pound* 4 Crew

[TheTantalus]

ahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

bolts quote is amazing, good ****

Inui you are elite? Does that mean anyone who's defeated you is also elite?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Tant, Inui, Pierce, that fine folks? Anyone else we should have?

See, this is something I also agree with (earlier I stated that I agree with variety).

It's a double-edged sword, putting B (or lower) tier mains on the crew. We have the chance of catching some players/regions off guard, but...that luck might not be the same elsewhere, you know? They could end up being less useful than players who only use S tier characters, even if those matchups have been memorized.

Also, nowadays it's kinda hard to figure out who knows what matchups. Just because their region doesn't have prominent players of certain characters doesn't mean that they can't have taken extra means such as wifi to learn weird matchups.

See, the thing is, we don't HAVE to use the wtf characters at all. Remember, we only have 8 people playing, 2 are alts. This format encourages wtf characters because it allows us to decide on the go whether they'll work against the opponent.


I'll give an example, let's take me (assume I'm a national class player and it's melee for the sake of argument), you know you have somebody who could potentially beat me with fox, but you might need him for later to take back a set. But you also know I suck against doctor mario, period. A good doctor mario player will deal with me easily. Which would you pick to counter me?

This format means if you never see a player that phails against the non-a tier character, you never have to use that person, so you just stick to solid high tier ****. But if the situation comes up and you can get a 4-stock and bring it back, then why wouldn't you?



This format encourages wtf characters because having the 10 best in order is no different then having the 8 best for practical purposes. On the other hand having the 8 best and 2 best wtf players actually gives new strategic options, top 10 is actually LESS safe.

 

[_Yes!_]

Tant, Inui, Pierce, that fine folks? Anyone else we should have?




See, the thing is, we don't HAVE to use the wtf characters at all. Remember, we only have 8 people playing, 2 are alts. This format encourages wtf characters because it allows us to decide on the go whether they'll work against the opponent.


I'll give an example, let's take me (assume I'm a national class player and it's melee for the sake of argument), you know you have somebody who could potentially beat me with fox, but you might need him for later to take back a set. But you also know I suck against doctor mario, period. A good doctor mario player will deal with me easily. Which would you pick to counter me?

This format means if you never see a player that phails against the non-a tier character, you never have to use that person, so you just stick to solid high tier ****. But if the situation comes up and you can get a 4-stock and bring it back, then why wouldn't you?



This format encourages wtf characters because having the 10 best in order is no different then having the 8 best for practical purposes. On the other hand having the 8 best and 2 best wtf players actually gives new strategic options, top 10 is actually LESS safe.

Yeah but Melee is a different game, where it's possible for a Pichu to beat a Fox even at a high level.

In brawl, lower tiers don't stand much of a chance against top tiers. You could go for the suprirse factor, but what if they know how to fight that character? Waste of 3 stocks IMO.

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

Anything is possible in Brawl too. Malcolm, Vex, FOW have proved it. I don't wanna hear that Melee head bull****.

 

[_Yes!_]

okay xzax beat an mk that knows what it's doing with a B or lower tier character who has the same skill as you.

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

If a Fox is at the same skill level as a Pichu in melee the fox will win. Theres no difference....if a Sonic is more skilled and outplays a MK like Kai does with many people or Malcolm did back around CoT4 or Vex did for awhile with bowser they pull out with the win. Don't try to suck melees **** like inui.

 

[AlphaZealot]

Yeah but Melee is a different game, where it's possible for a Pichu to beat a Fox even at a high level.

This never happened. Chu came close with Young Link/Pichu but it was mainly a gimmick that had no real shot of pulling through. If you didn't play top in Melee, just like in Brawl, you stood no real chance. "close" doesn't count. I'd also argue you have more of a chance in Brawl using mid-low tiers than in Melee.

 

[Inui]

Anything is possible in Brawl too. Malcolm, Vex, FOW have proved it. I don't wanna hear that Melee head bull****.

Yeah, stuff like that can happen as a surprise, but Brawl is not as balanced as Melee. Melee isn't even that balanced, but it's more balanced than Brawl for sure. That's a fact. Low tiers in Melee are more viable.

Melee > Brawl. Get over it and stop being mad as hell when someone mentions that simple fact.

This never happened. Chu came close with Young Link/Pichu but it was mainly a gimmick that had no real shot of pulling through. If you didn't play top in Melee, just like in Brawl, you stood no real chance. "close" doesn't count.

False. ChuDat defeated both Aho and Plank with Pichu.

 

[_Yes!_]

Xzax:

I'm not trying to do anything like inui . I just think lower tiers in brawl don't stand a chance against top tiers. If you want, I'll use another game; I only used melee because adumbrodeus used melee. I know that someone used Tager (bottom tier) to beat top tiers in tourney for blazblue. I also know that Gen (low tier) can do well against Ryu (top tier) in sf4, as Jibbo has done against Daigo. If you want I can go on.

Ease your temper bro, you know who I am and you know that we're cool (I hope <3).

AZ:
KoreanDJ has done it many times.

Kage (THE WARRIOR) took out Mango (falco or jiggs?) twice with Ganondorf.

 

[Omni]

Yeah, Chu still wrecks **** with his Pikachu/Pichu.

Ksizzle, can you contact the rest of NJ/NY players and see who their pick is for Captain? I'll ask the players from MD/VA on who their pick is.

Boss' Mario will wreck most people.
NEO's Sheik will wreck most people.
Vex has an amazing Bowser from what I heard.
And what about that Ness that got like 3rd place in that Cali tournament?

It's possible; it's rare, but it's definitely possible.

 

[Shadow 111]

i think putting me in against the diddy kong players would be a good idea.
as Yes! said, i have beaten ADHD multiple times, as well as NL. are any of the notable diddy kong players besides ADHD, NL, and AZ even going to pound?
i dunno how well i'd perform against WC, honestly. i'm not going to say i don't think i have the potential to beat their best players, but i'm not too sure of myself against falco. i'd like to go up against DSF or tyrant, if possible. i'm becoming much better at the mk ditto, and i think i could fight on par with them.

 

[_Yes!_]

i think putting me in against the diddy kong players would be a good idea.
as Yes! said, i have beaten ADHD multiple times, as well as NL. are any of the notable diddy kong players besides ADHD, NL, and AZ even going to pound?
i dunno how well i'd perform against WC, honestly. i'm not going to say i don't think i have the potential to beat their best players, but i'm not too sure of myself against falco. i'd like to go up against DSF or tyrant, if possible. i'm becoming much better at the mk ditto, and i think i could fight on par with them.

Shut up and be confident

 

[Xzax Kasrani]

Ganon isn't low tier or not viable, low tiers are more viable in Melee but better players beat better players at top level of play. There is a reason M2K wins most tournaments or places really well at every tournament, there is a reason why Mango is dominate in Melee like Ken and Jason. There is a reason Ally does very well all of the time, these player have more skill and power in tournament play then others do.

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Kage (THE WARRIOR) took out Mango (falco or jiggs?) twice with Ganondorf.

I think Ganondorf beats jiggs (thought this before kage beat mango) and Mango did NOT camp Kage, so he got destroyed. If Spam played that matchup he probably would have won.

**** if I fight a Snake with Ganon and the Snake isn't camping properly I'll destroy the Snake.

Metaknight is easier to use then Fox, but Fox is a better god tier in my opinion in melee, it's just most space animal players in melee have no brain and don't camp intelligently.

 

[Inui]

Ganon isn't low tier or not viable, low tiers are more viable in Melee but better players beat better players at top level of play. There is a reason M2K wins most tournaments or places really well at every tournament, there is a reason why Mango is dominate in Melee like Ken and Jason. There is a reason Ally does very well all of the time, these player have more skill and power in tournament play then others do.

LOL wtf does this have to do with anything we're discussing? It's not even on topic with our off topic rambling.

I think Ganondorf beats jiggs

Magus is amazing with both characters and will tell you otherwise. >_>;

 

[_Yes!_]

Melee's just 1 example out of many that I was making :-/ Smash isn't the only matchup based fighting game guys -.-

Oh god I'm agreeing with Inui....

Vex do the Kuma dance with me.

 

[AlphaZealot]

False. ChuDat defeated both Aho and Plank with Pichu.

Yea, Aho and Plank. The people I'm comparing Chu to are:
-Ken, PC, M2K, KDJ, etc

Talk about the people who are actually on ChuDat's level. Aho is good. Plank is good. But neither comes even close to ChuDat's level of accomplishments/level of play.

But hey, if you want to compare people of unequal skill to show that Pichu can compete, then we may as well count anytime you bust out the little fella vs scrubby friends who don't even go to tournaments. The skill gap is almost as comparable.

In other words: compare people of roughly equal skill level.
Aho is not on ChuDat's level
Plank is not on ChuDat's level

Think of how a match of ChuDat's Pichu vs M2K's Fox or PC's Falco or Mango's Jiggly would go. That is what I'm talking about.

Also, anything is possible, true, in both games. But pretending Pichu can compete given equal skill is naive because it simply is not true. The number of instances of Pichu doing anything in Melee in 8 years have basically been summed up on just this page. Melee is just as bad as Brawl is when it comes to characters of low quality competing. Imo both games are better then almost all the other fighters though in this category (almost).

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Magus is amazing with both characters and will tell you otherwise. >_>;

Well thats his opinion and hes entitled to it.

I'm just going to say that we all stopz before this turns into a Melee vs Brawl thing because nobody cares, Melee players gonna be pricks at Pound to Brawl players anywayz D: Dat's why we're gonna **** them in doubles Inui.

 

[Inui]

^ LOL! Yeah, I think we're going to own in Melee doubles if you can be aggressive with Fox while I'm gay with Sheik.

@AlphaZealot: GO AWAY. YOU ARE MIDWEST. STOP DERAILING OUR THREAD FURTHER AND TRYING TO PIT MD/VA AND NY/NJ AGAINST EACH OTHER. YOU'RE A MODERATOR. ACT LIKE ONE. YOU SHOULD BE TELLING US TO REMAIN ON TOPIC, NOT DOING THE OPPOSITE.

 

[adumbrodeus]

STOP THE MELEE VS BRAWL ****!


Melee was an example because I personally have more issues with Doctor mario then top tier characters played by people of equivalent skill. Match-up knowledge plays a role.

Yeah but Melee is a different game, where it's possible for a Pichu to beat a Fox even at a high level.

In brawl, lower tiers don't stand much of a chance against top tiers. You could go for the suprirse factor, but what if they know how to fight that character? Waste of 3 stocks IMO.

But this isn't a singles tournament.

I don't expect low tiers to win this.


That said, a 60-40 MU or better, if a person knows it well and the opponent lacks MU experience? Totally winnable, depending on the player you might have the effective advantage there.

See, lower tiers have some solid MUs, it's their overall spread that weakens them, and most of B tier doesn't go worse then 60-40 with most of the top tier.



And again, it offers you options, the format is 8 out of 10 used. If you don't ever have a case to use the low tier, you lost nothing. But there's no possible way that a slightly worse then everyone else top tier will help you if you've already got 8 slots of it unless that top tier player has a hook of his own unrelated to char. Edit: or it's an unrepresented top tier, but honestly I'd sac an over-represented top for the unrepresented one.




This is no different in melee, I'm not expecting a pichu to beat a fox, this is sending a ganon vs a jiggs.

 

[Reioumu]

Melee's just 1 example out of many that I was making :-/ Smash isn't the only matchup based fighting game guys -.-

... Every fighting game (except Shaq Fu is matchup based...

 

[_Yes!_]

... Every fighting game (except Shaq Fu is matchup based...

Tekken is more frame data/preference based besides like...steve/nina of tekken 5 and other god tiers I missed. Other than that it's more frame data/preference based...mad observant though!

 

[Turbo Ether]

Steve is always top tier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJBUGyi5WRQ

... Every fighting game (except Shaq Fu is matchup based...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjRHfVh39Z8&feature=related

 

[Plairnkk]

Yea, Aho and Plank. The people I'm comparing Chu to are:
-Ken, PC, M2K, KDJ, etc

Talk about the people who are actually on ChuDat's level. Aho is good. Plank is good. But neither comes even close to ChuDat's level of accomplishments/level of play.

But hey, if you want to compare people of unequal skill to show that Pichu can compete, then we may as well count anytime you bust out the little fella vs scrubby friends who don't even go to tournaments. The skill gap is almost as comparable.

In other words: compare people of roughly equal skill level.
Aho is not on ChuDat's level
Plank is not on ChuDat's level

Think of how a match of ChuDat's Pichu vs M2K's Fox or PC's Falco or Mango's Jiggly would go. That is what I'm talking about.

Also, anything is possible, true, in both games. But pretending Pichu can compete given equal skill is naive because it simply is not true. The number of instances of Pichu doing anything in Melee in 8 years have basically been summed up on just this page. Melee is just as bad as Brawl is when it comes to characters of low quality competing. Imo both games are better then almost all the other fighters though in this category (almost).

aho beat chu multiple times in tourney with fox against chus IC. their record when aho quit was 3-3

when chu beat me i had been playing smash for 8 months, he cant beat me with anyone but IC for the past 3 years

pichu sucks, and will never beat anyone good.

 

[g-regulate]

yea i remember aho beating chu at 4 straight tourneys. ah, TA in their prime, good times.
i get the point you are making though, AZ.

someone ON the team should just take the reigns and pick 10.

 

[Mew2King]

ganon beats jiggs? Is that why hbox 3 stocked kage twice?

btw just to brag, i 4 stocked chu's pichu with my non-CG sheik right after he beat plank and inui with it about a month later. *waves tiny flag*

edit - i also beat him 3-0 in pichu/pikachu dittos in tourney set at his low tier biweekly finals 2 yrs ago. It's just camping and SH nair and up throw nair and up smash mainly, with occasional CC down smash.

 

[stingers]

thanks for the pichu ditto tips m2k

 

[CT Chia]

Tant, Inui, Pierce, that fine folks? Anyone else we should have?

See, the thing is, we don't HAVE to use the wtf characters at all. Remember, we only have 8 people playing, 2 are alts. This format encourages wtf characters because it allows us to decide on the go whether they'll work against the opponent. .

I feel that I'm qualified enough to be one of the captains/provide my input. I've been a part of plenty of crew battles, including helping out at Genesis, for as much as that is worth lol. To sort of get a taste of my ideas there's that giant post i made a couple pages back that I'm hoping proved something for those that don't know me. Let PA have some sort of place in this crew battle! lol

As for the alternates, yea it really does help. Boss is a perfect example. Keep him on the 10 list, and if we come up against a crew without the matchups where it matters the most (like Diddy or Olimar) and are instead against like a more MK heavy crew then we use his spot for another Snake or something who would have a much better shot at doing good.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I feel that I'm qualified enough to be one of the captains/provide my input. I've been a part of plenty of crew battles, including helping out at Genesis, for as much as that is worth lol. To sort of get a taste of my ideas there's that giant post i made a couple pages back that I'm hoping proved something for those that don't know me. Let PA have some sort of place in this crew battle! lol

As for the alternates, yea it really does help. Boss is a perfect example. Keep him on the 10 list, and if we come up against a crew without the matchups where it matters the most (like Diddy or Olimar) and are instead against like a more MK heavy crew then we use his spot for another Snake or something who would have a much better shot at doing good.

While I generally hate it when people put their names forward... that was a really nice analysis.


Might come into some conflict with Inui on team-building (because they disagree on who's better), but I also think he'd be an asset.

Chibo, Inui, Pierce, and Tant for leaders


Call it a day?

 

[Vex Kasrani]

Chibo, Inui, Pierce, and Tant for leaders


Call it a day?

I agreez, lets do dis!

 

[_Yes!_]

The actual members of the crew should have more of a say of what they do than outside "captains" or w/e really IMO. The outside influence is cool too, but the crew members probably know better since they're good enough to have probably played the best of the best of other regions.

 

[Zucco]

dmbrandon for one of the captains! more arguing, I demand it!

 

[DAftFlip]

So? I beat him towards the end of Melee. The present matters most. The most recent sets matter the most. It's his fault for letting himself slip while players like me kept growing in skill.



Uh...because I can't beat PC Chris in Melee, I can't beat any DA members in Melee? What kind of logic is there? Oh, man, I lost to your best player by far a couple of times but can beat the others. Big deal. I can beat all of you no problem in Melee or Brawl. I'll bet cash on it.



I used Ike. Ike is bottom tier. His character is actually really good now.

Hmm.



In 2006. He never won after that.



Uh huh, uh huh... It's always them, never me.

Did you know Wes/Dire beat M2K/Bum, but M2K/Inui and Bum/Inui massacred them? Funny, eh?



Um...you are measuring my skill from a friendly? You are trying to assume how much I cared about it? For all you know, I could have been playing at 2%, 40%, 90%... YOU DON'T KNOW. What you do know is that I have an extremely impressive tournament record. That's what counts. Ignore it if you want, but it's there.

I'm sorry for saying that. I was mad. I want us to win.


Incorrect. You are nobody, I am not. I am elite. I win. I have influence. You all know who I am, but I have no idea who many of you are. That's reality. The fact that you insist on calling me a nobody, when that is clearly false given both my talent and my fame, means you care about what I'm saying and feel the need to lash out. Why don't you go spend some of that time and energy practicing so that you can one day be known?

Exactly, you beat him towards the end of Melee. You didn't "massacre" Wes and he wasn't even playing for a lonnnnngggg time. You have been playing. What does that say about your skill ? And you today could not have beat Wes in his prime. That goes for some of the other memebers too. In their prime they would give you the **** sauce.
Fine you have some tech skill. They are way smarter than you are. I mean no one can keep a straight head, not with your constant rages. Don't say you would beat them no problem. They'd take you down to your last stock everytime even if you did win. They aren't DA and suck at smash.

And Dire beating M2K back then. It's G&W noone else would've even gotten close ! And it wasn't once it was twice ! Not even Chu would've done it and he thinks he's the best G&W. The point is Jenson did do it. And on top of that if he had picked a high tier from the begining it would be a wrap. I mean his tech skill is freakin solid and he's known for having almost the best mind games in all of Melee.

And about you beating Wes and Dire in Teams. You play Snake. Bum plays ... DONKEY KONG !!!

LMFAOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course you won! And you and M2K ... massacre. Yes you did. You and Bum, that was not a massacre. lololol

And about our friendly you're just Johning about how you didn't care about the match.
If you would have beat me you would have said I'm a srub. The point is I won. After playing a game for so long things become second nature so even not trying if you're soo much better than me it should've been cake even if you were playing at 5% since you're so incredibly amazing. And to be honest I wasn't really trying either, but unlike you I don't like to toot my own horn about my accomplishments. IF I was famous ( which you're not , unless we're talking about the celebrity of your verbal diarrhea ) I wouldn't brag about it all the time as I mentioned in my last post. People would just know. That's the point of being famous. Does Brad Pitt ever take air time on TV to tell the world how famous he is ? LOL

And about Ike. They said that alot of characters were low or bottom tier at the begining of brawl and now look. The game is still pretty much in it's infancy. Like today in Melee. Peach and Jiggs ? Who would've thought that back in the day ?

The worst thing is you threatening to give out player info to the opposing crew.
That's FKNG UNACCEPTABLE. No matter "what I'm going through" If your a "pro"
than you should ALWAYS think and act like one. And not an infant that get's upset
because their bottle ran out of milk so they throw a tantrum.
You were mad ? That certainly justifies everything every angry person has done :

Officer Doughnut :"Mr.Johnson why did you do it ? Why did you kill that poor little girl"

Mr.Johnson " I didn't mean to do it ! I don't know what came over me, I was just so mad at the time. "


ORRRR

Someone threatening to bring a gun to a tournament because they lost a match and they
got upset. That really happened. What's the next thing you're going to do and then John about when someone calls you out on something you did because you were " upset/mad at the time ?"

And the only reason your probably even this good is because of playing with Jason all the time. Lemme parade my accomplishments in the spirit of bragging. I got training from Jenson ( Dire ) in Melee for like 3-4 months. I'm FKNG great at the game now practicing on my own to complete the training with out him, simply remembering the basics he taught me
and the mindset and things I need to do to train that he taught me. THAT'S TALENT.

Even if I don't become a top competitor, which I will soon enough, I did it, yes with the help of my crew, but when they weren't there, I was able to complete the brutal training necessary to be as good as I am now. Playing with Level 9's in various situations and training methodologies.

You make it way too easy Inui. To qoute Ninja Link : "UROPN" (you're open )
STOP acting like a prepubescent child and let those balls drop.
The sooner you see that the sooner that you'll be able to correct your glaring smash player/ personality flaws.

EDIT : You're Pringles sonn, Where's your curly mustache ???

 

[CT Chia]

I liked it when we were talking about the pound crew battle...

 

[_Yes!_]

*sigh*

So how bout them crews...

Dammit I left this unrefreshed for too long.

10chibos

 

[DAftFlip]

I'm done lol

 

[_Yes!_]

I'm done lol

He's still gonna write a huge azz paragraph to argue with you. Just edit your shiz plz -.-

 

[Max Ketchum]

Pretty sure we don't even need to worry about this anymore considering no region will be here in full force. As long as we send the right people out at the right times, this is ours.

 

[ANTi_]

PUT BOSS IN. AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO SEES THE TRUE POWER OF SNORLAX!

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[Albert.]

I'm pretty sure that Inui likes being talked about

even If its because the majority of smashers

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think he's a horrible peron and don't

like him

and thus

cure to inui

is to ignore inui

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