Atlantic North Melee Circuit - Third Event TBD...

[GOTM]

i wont

$5 says GOTM is hungover and shows up mad late lol

lol, maybe, but i will DEF be there

edit: i will not be late for either event though, because i am not letting down my teammate, who i think is jfox, and i am not paying money to get ***** b.c of no friendlies
lol

 

[JFox]

lol, maybe, but i will DEF be there

edit: i will not be late for either event though, because i am not letting down my teammate, who i think is jfox, and i am not paying money to get ***** b.c of no friendlies
lol

Aww shit!

 

[KevinM]

Hey have I mentioned I love you guys?

 

[CT Chia]

not yet

these were ur only 2 other posts in the thread
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5340833&postcount=98
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=5381931&postcount=114

lol

 

[JFox]

yea we already discussed a lot of it. actually almost almost every quesiton jfox asked is on the front page lol, minus one here or there.

the final event will also be a regular qualifer. however, when the qualifier is over, there will be the final bracket. (maybe a 2 day event?)

final bracket is free if ur top 32

if ppl are absent, a bye is put in, not place #33 and so on

anmc fund is pretty much gonna be 100% prize money. i cant think of anything else it would be needed for

not sure yet if it will be to #1 or top 3 or something. depends how big the fund is at the end

final bracket is a 32 man bracket


Edit: The DSO is RE-RECOGNIZED! What's that mean? I can start to hold tourneys regularly at Drexel for the next YEAR. I'm offering Clash of the Titans to be the final event if people think it's a good idea. It will be a 2 day tourney, and I can hold it anytime so it can be the final event (i will hold events before it, but they wont be anmc). I want this **** to be BIG. final anmc event, inviting out of state, region, and country players, the works. what month do you think will work best for this? April? May? Even for a tourney that far away I can probably have the tournament listing up this week hopefully.

And I don't get the idea of the two day event thing. One day you have a normal tourney, and the other you have the final 32 man bracket?? Basically no one would be at the second day except those people that are involved. That's pretty boring, especially if a lot of people can't make it that are a part of the 32. (32 people is about the number we have at a No Johns bi-weekly)

IMO you should do this. Make it a two day tourney, and have the top 16 automatically qualified for day two. Then day one you have the amateur bracket which costs $10 for entrance. All 16 that are already qualified for day two are not allowed to be a part of day 1 tourney. (But you will still have doubles day 1, so they are still involved in day 1) Then the top 16 from the amateur bracket are entered into day two, making your 32 man bracket. The $10 entrance fee goes completely to the final bracket, no payouts for amateurs.

What this does is it allows OOS players to get involved even if they miss out on tourneys that are part of the ANMC. People from Canada for example aren't gonna be able to accumulate enough points to compete, but they can still try to make it through amateurs. The people that do go to ANMC events are rewarded by being entered automatically into the top 16. Now you have a tourney that can get hyped up because you have a ton of money (entrance fees+prize money accumulated) and you aren't limiting the tourney capacity to a specific size. You are also not limiting the tourney to players only from a specific area.

 

[CT Chia]

i was thinking of a way to incorporate an amateur bracket into this, which im still considering, but i dont want to take 16 ppl from that, cause its too many ppl getting a free ride to the final event.

i wanted a 2 day event so theres time for the bracket. (no way u can run a 1 day event nicely with a full singles doubles tourney and the final anmc bracket) im actually in the middle of planning it already and already submitted a date to drexel to request the room.

itl be the CoT circuit event, 2 days. day 1 would be singles and doubles pools
day 2 will be doubles and singles bracket (which gives circuit points), and then conclude with the final anmc bracket, and im getting some neat ideas for it.

 

[pockyD]

...then take fewer people

no one's saying you can't take 24 from the rankings and 8 from the final bracket, 28-4, etc.

 

[Mogwai]

i was thinking of a way to incorporate an amateur bracket into this, which im still considering, but i dont want to take 16 ppl from that, cause its too many ppl getting a free ride to the final event.

i wanted a 2 day event so theres time for the bracket. (no way u can run a 1 day event nicely with a full singles doubles tourney and the final anmc bracket) im actually in the middle of planning it already and already submitted a date to drexel to request the room.

itl be the CoT circuit event, 2 days. day 1 would be singles and doubles pools
day 2 will be doubles and singles bracket (which gives circuit points), and then conclude with the final anmc bracket, and im getting some neat ideas for it.

I actually really like JFox's idea, it's a good way to incorperate the AMNC points into a tourney that would have some draw to OOS players. Less than 50% of the bracket coming from the preliminary event would sorta defeat the purpose IMO. I dunno, just my input.

 

[Warrior of Zarona]

Where was I during all this discussion? o_o

Hiemie

 

[Scar]

JFox does have a pretty good idea there. I would hate to not be able to play singles day 1 though, that's pretty weak. The top 16 players are going to be 16 people who DEFINITELY will be showing up who won't be playing singles, so to get a decent bracket you will need AT LEAST 32 people in attendance on top of the top 16 players already there.

 

[pockyD]

well if you ask the people who pre-qualified to play on day one, then you are ignoring the fact that they pre-qualified O_o

 

[JFox]

Maybe top 16 that are pre-qualified could so some sort of pools that would seed them for day two or something. I mean if Cort gets just enough points to make top 16, it would be nice to seed properly instead of seeding based on just points. And this way top 16 plays some sort of singles day 1.

I agree that 16 people is too little from the point system, and 16 is too much from amatuers. Perhaps 24+8 would be the best idea.

One of the best things about this is that if anyone is missing from those who are qualified by points, you can fill those missing spots with people from amateurs. This way you still get your 32 man bracket. This would be super easy since people would already be at the tourney day 1, so you would know who is missing, and wouldnt have to try to organize the bracket online.

 

[CT Chia]

so should the final bracket be held at its own tourney, or the same (2day) tourney of a qualifier

 

[pockyD]

Maybe top 16 that are pre-qualified could so some sort of pools that would seed them for day two or something. I mean if Cort gets just enough points to make top 16, it would be nice to seed properly instead of seeding based on just points. And this way top 16 plays some sort of singles day 1.

the whole basis of a circuit system is to establish "fair" seeding based on past results. Throwing that out the window once you have your top 16 once again sort of defeats the point of the circuit to begin with

so should the final bracket be held at its own tourney, or the same (2day) tourney of a qualifier

the proposal at hand is that it is its own tournament, with the "amateur bracket" type thing serving as a last-second qualifier for those who haven't racked up the requisite attendance points

 

[JFox]

the whole basis of a circuit system is to establish "fair" seeding based on past results. Throwing that out the window once you have your top 16 once again sort of defeats the point of the circuit to begin with

Yeah I agree, but I'm just trying to appease everyone. I know that if I thought I had a chance at being in the top 16, i know i wouldn't wanna sit out day one. I was just trying to think of something semi-constructive/competitive that they could do in terms of singles play.

How about draft crews day 1 instead.

the proposal at hand is that it is its own tournament, with the "amateur bracket" type thing serving as a last-second qualifier for those who haven't racked up the requisite attendance points

This is correct. Basically, it would go like this. Day 1- Amateur Bracket, Crews. Day 2- Doubles and Singles Tourney. Singles would be exclusive, doubles would be all inclusive. Ya dig?

 

[Heart Break Kid]

Yea lol split the top 16 into draft crews(somehow). Im sure whoever is in would have much fun doing that. I forgot how MLG did there All star event thing at vegas. But i think it was a series of crew battles, maybe 10 but it was like 3v3 or 4v4 but each crew had 8 to 10 people? lol who knows, but you couldnt use one person in more than like 4 crew battles or something, making strategizing mad hard. I dnt know how you'd seperate crews though.

 

[CT Chia]

why not just have day 1 practically as another qualifier?
we dont rly need another way to get ppl in (especially like 8 ppl) with the amount of events we have and that we dont count all results (how we take like 5/7 points so ppl can either miss a tourney, or have a time or two to john from playing bad lol)

 

[pockyD]

why not just have day 1 practically as another qualifier?
we dont rly need another way to get ppl in (especially like 8 ppl) with the amount of events we have and that we dont count all results (how we take like 5/7 points so ppl can either miss a tourney, or have a time or two to john from playing bad lol)

What this does is it allows OOS players to get involved even if they miss out on tourneys that are part of the ANMC. People from Canada for example aren't gonna be able to accumulate enough points to compete, but they can still try to make it through amateurs. The people that do go to ANMC events are rewarded by being entered automatically into the top 16. Now you have a tourney that can get hyped up because you have a ton of money (entrance fees+prize money accumulated) and you aren't limiting the tourney capacity to a specific size. You are also not limiting the tourney to players only from a specific area.

pre-answered

 

[CT Chia]

its a circuit, were not just giving away money for nothin here. as we said before, attendance in some way has to be rewarded, and people averages werent used becayse then someone with one tourney could be in the final event which isnt fair

 

[pockyD]

the people who pre-qualified have only to play through a 32 man bracket (or whatever it turns out to be)

the people who didn't pre-qualify need to play down from 100, or however many people you expect (i.e. if this were one of those truly huge tournaments, like 200), where getting 7th place and higher is far from guaranteed

if you don't want the closing tournament to be some extra big event (relative to the others), that's fine; just realize that that is in fact the decision you're making

 

[CT Chia]

but the end tourney would be big, as i was planning it to be the same tourney as the big national one im holding early next year

getting top 8 in one tourney without guaranteed pros already in < doing good in 7 tournies

 

[Mogwai]

but the end tourney would be big, as i was planning it to be the same tourney as the big national one im holding early next year

getting top 8 in one tourney without guaranteed pros already in < doing good in 7 tournies

l don't understand how you're planning on having a "big" tourney, where the 32 man bracket is predetermined. What's going to make more than those 32 people come?

 

[CT Chia]

one of my clash of the titans events will be a circuit event

since CoT will be a very large, 2 day melee tourney, i figured it would be a good tourney to have as the final tourney, as there will be plenty of time, and there will be a large venue.

at the tourney, we will not know the 32 ppl yet for the final bracket. we will run the regular CoT tourney, with singles and doubles. we will assign circuit points to the winners of these events. Then, we will have the final 32, and run the ANMC bracket. This way, we will have most ppl there by attracting them to a huge tourney (i'm planning regional-national size), and giving out circuit points there so people invovled with the circuit will already be there.

the schedule would be like

Saturday
Doubles Pools
Singles Pools
Doubles Bracket?

Sunday
Doubles Bracket (if there wasn't time on Saturday)
Singles Bracket
-figure out the top 32 anmc and stuff-
ANMC Final Bracket

 

[JFox]

Chibo, you can't just "plan a huge tourney" and then expect that to happen. What would make that CoT any bigger than your other CoT's besides the ANMC tag? You're gonna get like 60 people, with pools you will lower it to 32 man bracket. Then what will happen is your gonna have the same good players fighting twice, once in normal tourney, and than again in the final brackets.

OOS PLAYERS AREN'T INTERESTED IN COMING UNLESS THERE IS A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE POT!!!!! Why do you think Kansas promised a $500 OOS bonus? Money is what gets them here. That is the difference between your typical bi-weekly that costs $10 per person, and a major that costs $20 per person, and always establishes a huge crowd. Good players come and compete for money, bottom line. Wise up. Your tourney is gonna pull the same usual crowd around the area, and OOS people comin from North Carolina or some **** arent gonna have points anyway, so they sure as hell won't care about the points they accumulate during your tournament.

 

[Scar]

Chibo, you can't just "plan a huge tourney" and then expect that to happen.

Yeah that's always been my problem with the idea of "hosting a national tourney." That's really not how it works, you need people from all over the nation to come to host a national tourney and they won't just appear because it is proclaimed as "national."

And I don't really want to say it because I think people haven't realized it yet, but M2K is probably going to be in attendance, so even an OOS bonus for first wouldn't be that amazing (to me at least if I were an OOS player).

Of course it would make sense for the bonus to be out of tristate, too, so he wouldn't get that money, but still, he has to be beaten for someone to claim it, which has proven somewhat impossible for the past few years. I guess this is incentive for mango to come, anyways.

Edit: You would also need weird rules about splitting.

 

[Pakman]

Kansas' OOS bonus came from biweekly cuts they took for a few months. We should do that. Maybe charge a 1-2 dollar entry fee at local tournies and get an OOS bonus. Then if people don't beat M2K the OOS carrys over for the next few months.

 

[Hiemie]

I'm gonna come over to this state to get you, WoZ.

 

[CT Chia]

thats not a bad idea

for my tourney it will certainly be bigger than normal that iv held, you also have to look at the other tournies that are becoming huge, like kansas, bullhead, georgia, etc. these are 2 day, melee only events, with great venue, etc. im doing the same with my tourney, making it 2 day melee only, great venue, attracting the anmc crowd, and more. iv also talked to some people from midwest and canada if they would be interested in a big melee tourney in philly and they are very interested and want to come.

however, yes, i do agree with your attraction to getting OOS players. how about this... there will be plenty of time at my tournament for an extra bracket or something, so i want to mix the idea of the amateur bracket, and catering to OOS. What if we have a bracket thats like $5 to enter, and you can only enter it if you live outside of the tristate nj/pa/ny (since tristate has the easiest time attending ANMC events. the top 4 of this tournament will be granted free entry into the final anmc bracket.

 

[Mew2King]

I'm from NJ an OOS PA event counts for me

 

[Warrior of Zarona]

I'm gonna come over to this state to get you, WoZ.

Bring it. .

 

[pockyD]

too contrived

you basically just pitched running 3 separate singles brackets, each with its own unique set of criteria

not to mention if only 10 OOSers show up, it's almost trivial for them to advance, even if they shouldn't be

 

[CT Chia]

then just run it regular and simple. standard circuit tourney and the anmc bracket at the end.

no reason to have one event by itself just for the anmc finals, its not enough for a full tourney, not as many ppl will be there, and its an extra event people have to be at and that we have to plan.

 

[pockyD]

the "amateur bracket" thing makes it a full tourney

if you want to think about it conceptually and very simplistically, there is only a single bracket, and the top 28 (or however many you take from the rankings; that seems like a huge number to me) are given byes in the bracket, while the other players must qualify through pools and early rounds of brackets

 

[CT Chia]

i know how the amateur will work, but how will the amateur idea work for the doubles circuit? it complicates a lot. this is why we already talked about all this stuff earlier (before the anmc was even announced) to avoid complications and things

and also, why make people go to yet another tourney in a circuit with a tourney list thats growing rapidly. it would make more sense to combine it with the final circuit event, which at this point is looking to be cot

 

[Warrior of Zarona]

I didn't really read into this too much.

But MLG did it that way, yes?

 

[CT Chia]

how did mlg do doubles?

 

[JFox]

F*ck it. I think the final tourney is ********, no matter how you cut it. Its either boring cuz its limited to certain people, or its unfair if you let OOS in cuz it waters down the importance of other ANMC events. The only good thing about this whole thing is that people take ANMC events more seriously than a normal tourney, and therefore draws a larger crowd.

I honestly think that we should just start raising money from weeklies/monthlies, and then put it towards a giant tourney. Raise $1000, then say "guaranteed $1000 prize pool" and you will have the entire world coming to your tourney. F*ck points, just raise money and make a big tourney.

LOL I'm done concerning myself with this, not my problem.

 

[pockyD]

doubles was done the same way. why would it be any different?

 

[CT Chia]

because of peoples partners, its very complicated.

im with jfox on this now. screw the tournament thats only anmc final, raise extra money, and guarantee a giant prize pool, because that amount of money will be there lol. we still have the 10%s being taken out for the anmc pot, i get a lil here and there from my biweeklies, and i think i might get extra money from my CoT tourneys (even if they are not circuit events).

all in all, the more money we have, the more impressive this will be. im encouraging everyone in the atl north (primarily those that are helping with the circuit) to help raise money for this with their tourneys, etc. perhaps some no johns tourneys could raise some money for the anmc?

 

[JFox]

because of peoples partners, its very complicated.

im with jfox on this now. screw the tournament thats only anmc final, raise extra money, and guarantee a giant prize pool, because that amount of money will be there lol. we still have the 10%s being taken out for the anmc pot, i get a lil here and there from my biweeklies, and i think i might get extra money from my CoT tourneys (even if they are not circuit events).

all in all, the more money we have, the more impressive this will be. im encouraging everyone in the atl north (primarily those that are helping with the circuit) to help raise money for this with their tourneys, etc. perhaps some no johns tourneys could raise some money for the anmc?

Sorry Everyone, I just ruined the ANMC.



I'm def all for scrapping the ANMC for a big tourney. DEFINITELY, all daii