JFox
Smash Hero
pockyd is the only person who is really seeing **** for real.
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Atlantic North Melee Circuit - Third Event TBD...
- Thread starter CT Chia
- Start date
pockyD
Smash Legend
i think you guys should adopt a BCS type system, set up a variety of 1v1 "bowl games" via some mysterious combination of human polls and computers, and use the prize money to pay out the winners of each (what amounts to be) money match
Banks
Smash Hero
The next chapter of Smashson's Creek...
pockyD
Smash Legend
i'm the best
what are you?
what are you?
Scar
#HarveyDent
lol A Pittsburgh smasher of days old who has moved to Cali and knows that EC > WC.
pockyD
Smash Legend
sorry, I type fast and my brain defaults to using ' for possessives. I've broken it of doing it's instead of its, but I still fail at your's instead of yours sometimes.
EDIT: I'll work on it once I stop doing definately instead of definitely, Scar can attest to the fact that I suck at that one real bad.
tl:dr
I am pretty awesome. What are you guys talking about?
I am pretty awesome. What are you guys talking about?
JFox
Smash Hero
How homo you are with yourself.
D
Deleted member
Guest
and me. being homo with yourself gets lonely.
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
homosexual smashers are still smashers
DJ Nintendo
Smash Champion
So yeah in other news, I quit Bowser.
Cia
das kwl
i quit Young Link
I miss Luigi in Low Tiers. But I am never quitting him (I will probably go fox against sheik mains now though)
Sliq
Smash Master
- Joined
- Jan 13, 2006
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- 4,871
Then you should probably quit life, too.
Scar
#HarveyDent
lol This is hysterical. I switched over in roughly this time 3 years ago.
Cia
das kwl
plz do!! (i hate that prick luigi)
I miss Luigi in Low Tiers. But I am never quitting him (I will probably go fox against sheik mains now though)
4,000th post wasted
Mew2King
King of the Mews
so guys, this date collides with Scar's big Philly Melee tourney, so could you possible push the date back a week? If either you or Scar push your date back a week then I can attend both cuz I'd really like to.
Cia
das kwl
LOL i'll let someone else have this one
BrawlLover
Smash Champion
yes please push it back so that m2k can go to it
God you're a moron.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
it was a serious request, there is no tourenys that I see for December 20th, so it wouldn't collide with anything.
Cia
das kwl
HAHAHAHAHAHA
re-read your post
re-read your post
Mew2King
King of the Mews
****, I meant to post this in the other thread
So let me spell it out for you.
IT'S-THE-SAME-FREAKIN'-EVENT
IT'S-THE-SAME-FREAKIN'-EVENT
JFox
Smash Hero
tl:dr, sorry I'm bored in class
Ok, so I think I'm gonna post all possible options for the final event, and then post the positive points and negative points for each one. The is basically a summary of the last few pages worth of argument.
A) Chibo's plan: The final tournament will be a 2 day event, with a normal tournament where you gain points on day 1, and the final 32 man bracket made up of players who have gained points throughout the season on day 2.
B) JFox's idea: Make an amateur bracket on day 1, allowing a certain amount of people that don't have points to still enter into the final bracket day 2 if they do well enough in the amateur bracket.
C) Kansas' idea: Make an Event 52 happen here in the tristate area. Basically raise money by taking a small amount of money out of the pot from bi-weeklies and mid-scale tournaments. Then once you have raised a large amount of money, you guarantee a certain amount of money in prizes in order to bring players from OOS because of the potential amount of money they can win. Money raised would have to be something between $500-$1000. (So far, after one ANMC event, we have $115)
A) Positive: Definitely the most fair of all. Players that made the effort to gain points will be the only one's making it into the final bracket. Also, each individual ANMC event is more hyped up because person want to win points, creating larger tournaments throughout the season.
Negatives: The final bracket on day 2 will be limited to a small amount of people. A lot of people wouldn't stay for day 2 because they won't be involved. Futhermore, many people in general who didn't have a chance (including a lot of OOS'ers) wouldn't be interested in coming to either day because the main attraction of this tournament would be day 2. Day 1 would essentially be a normal tournament with a very average pot size. It is also likely that the say people that place high on day 1 will be the exact same people playing on day 2, essentially doing 2 singles events at one tournament with the exact same people in each one.
B) Positive: Would potentially allow a greater number of people to achieve making the final bracket day 2, regardless of points. This wouldn't limit the amount of OOS players without points AS MUCH as idea A. Also allows each individual ANMC event is more hyped up because person want to win points, creating larger tournaments throughout the season.
Negatives: Does water down the point system a bit by still allowing people to get in through an amateur bracket. Is theoretically less fair than a system based on 100% points.
C) Positive: This would be the most attractive kind of tournament for people to attend across the board, regardless of where the live, or what past events they had entered. This would be a normal tournament, having no bias to past skill levels etc. It is also the most conventional tournament that everyone is used to. It realistically will draw the most amount of people of all.
Negatives: Without a point system, there is no potential hype for tournaments besides the end goal. This makes it harder to raise the money necessary. It also will take a long time to get together enough money to create this sort of a tournament. It is also unfair to people since we have already started the ANMC and people are already awarded points.
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All of these ideas have their drawbacks. B seems to be a nice balance, and seems to be the most heavily supported from people that have been posting in this thread. Me personally, I really like C. I know Chibo is really big on A.
People should chime in and give feedback.
Ok, so I think I'm gonna post all possible options for the final event, and then post the positive points and negative points for each one. The is basically a summary of the last few pages worth of argument.
A) Chibo's plan: The final tournament will be a 2 day event, with a normal tournament where you gain points on day 1, and the final 32 man bracket made up of players who have gained points throughout the season on day 2.
B) JFox's idea: Make an amateur bracket on day 1, allowing a certain amount of people that don't have points to still enter into the final bracket day 2 if they do well enough in the amateur bracket.
C) Kansas' idea: Make an Event 52 happen here in the tristate area. Basically raise money by taking a small amount of money out of the pot from bi-weeklies and mid-scale tournaments. Then once you have raised a large amount of money, you guarantee a certain amount of money in prizes in order to bring players from OOS because of the potential amount of money they can win. Money raised would have to be something between $500-$1000. (So far, after one ANMC event, we have $115)
A) Positive: Definitely the most fair of all. Players that made the effort to gain points will be the only one's making it into the final bracket. Also, each individual ANMC event is more hyped up because person want to win points, creating larger tournaments throughout the season.
Negatives: The final bracket on day 2 will be limited to a small amount of people. A lot of people wouldn't stay for day 2 because they won't be involved. Futhermore, many people in general who didn't have a chance (including a lot of OOS'ers) wouldn't be interested in coming to either day because the main attraction of this tournament would be day 2. Day 1 would essentially be a normal tournament with a very average pot size. It is also likely that the say people that place high on day 1 will be the exact same people playing on day 2, essentially doing 2 singles events at one tournament with the exact same people in each one.
B) Positive: Would potentially allow a greater number of people to achieve making the final bracket day 2, regardless of points. This wouldn't limit the amount of OOS players without points AS MUCH as idea A. Also allows each individual ANMC event is more hyped up because person want to win points, creating larger tournaments throughout the season.
Negatives: Does water down the point system a bit by still allowing people to get in through an amateur bracket. Is theoretically less fair than a system based on 100% points.
C) Positive: This would be the most attractive kind of tournament for people to attend across the board, regardless of where the live, or what past events they had entered. This would be a normal tournament, having no bias to past skill levels etc. It is also the most conventional tournament that everyone is used to. It realistically will draw the most amount of people of all.
Negatives: Without a point system, there is no potential hype for tournaments besides the end goal. This makes it harder to raise the money necessary. It also will take a long time to get together enough money to create this sort of a tournament. It is also unfair to people since we have already started the ANMC and people are already awarded points.
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All of these ideas have their drawbacks. B seems to be a nice balance, and seems to be the most heavily supported from people that have been posting in this thread. Me personally, I really like C. I know Chibo is really big on A.
People should chime in and give feedback.
... i like C ...
well because the tournament with points is going to consist of the same freaking people ... thats sooo lame .... i dont kno about u guys ... but i'm getting tired of plaiyng the same people ... i'm obviously staying at 5th place ... and dont dare tell me to step it up ... because **** ... theres only so much a poor samus can do LOL <3
C .
pockyD
Smash Legend
MLG did it (something B-like)
i think it was pretty well-received. if you're worried about watering down the importance of points, then restrict the number of people advancing out of your "amateur" qualifiers
really, taking 6-2 or 7-1 isn't that bad at all
i think it was pretty well-received. if you're worried about watering down the importance of points, then restrict the number of people advancing out of your "amateur" qualifiers
really, taking 6-2 or 7-1 isn't that bad at all
the draw to OOSers is way less if you're accepting only 4 out of brackets into a 16 man bracket.
pockyD
Smash Legend
why is that?
keeping in mind that your "qualifier" bracket won't include mew2king or any of the other "local" heavy hitters because they are already qualified via points
keeping in mind that your "qualifier" bracket won't include mew2king or any of the other "local" heavy hitters because they are already qualified via points
JFox
Smash Hero
the simple fact that only 4 people can advance is still a statement in itself. mid level OOS players wouldn't care to join something like that
pockyD
Smash Legend
why not? "mid level OOS players" wouldn't expect to get higher than 17th place anyways, which would be the same outcome as not advancing
IMO it's just a misconception that not making it out of the "amateur" bracket is a big deal and a heavy knock on the player. It's really no worse than, say, not making it out of the 3rd round of pools in a tiered pool system, or even going 2-2 in a 64-man bracket
IMO it's just a misconception that not making it out of the "amateur" bracket is a big deal and a heavy knock on the player. It's really no worse than, say, not making it out of the 3rd round of pools in a tiered pool system, or even going 2-2 in a 64-man bracket
because there aren't really 12 "local heavy hitters." After M2K, JMan and Cactus, there's a pretty big skill drop off and it's going to feel stupid to have Chu, Azen, PC, Cort, Shiz, etc etc etc all battling off for 4 spots when GOTM already irked in at 12th on the point chart by getting 9th at a bunch of local tournies. I imagine you would get some people from MD/VA and New England, but the draw for a West Coaster or Mid Wester or FL or Canada would be pretty low.
For the record I agree with you about how little a difference it would make on the end outcome, but that doesn't change the fact that it would affect the way people felt about it.