At Smash's Gate - The Doom Marine/Doomguy/Doom Slayer Thread

[PublicServant]

I know, right?

If we get a demon killer in Smash, we’d need a demon for him to kill. That kind of reveal would be the best!

Well, we kinda already have a demon-affiliated character in the form of Bayonetta, though an outright demon would still be cool, I guess.

Don't forget B.J. Blazkowicz and Quake Guy. Maybe Jack from Titanfall 2 as well.

Quake Guy? He's called Ranger

Don't forget about the other Quake-affiliated characters such as Bitterman (Quake 2's protagonist), Kane (Quake 4's protagonist) and some of the Quake 3: Arena/Quake Champions characters such as Grunt, Sarge, Major, Sorlag, Klesk, Anarki, Visor, Slash, Hunter, Keel, Xaero, Nyx, Scalebearer, Galena and Clutch.

Heck, while we're at it, let's throw in Mjolnir Recon #54 (or/alongside Durandal), Caleb, Lo Wang, Daniel Garner (aka Painkiller), Arbiter, Adrian Shephard, Engineer, Hacker, SOLDIER G65434-2, Corvus, Grayson Hunt and Serious Sam for good measure.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Hunter

How Smash would censor her design would make Snake's butt seem like it got more detailed.

 

[M00NFIRE94]

And now Overwatch’s Tracer has joined the rumor mill with the potential OW Switch port leak. The thought of getting her over Doomguy is well... something to stomach.

-Tracer gets in after Overwatch gets ported to Switch-
-Doom already has almost its entire library on Switch at this point-
Doomguy: Am I a joke to you?

It’ll be interesting to see what happens (or doesn’t happen), regardless.

Even Nintendo would have to see the problem with Tracer. Say what some will about Hero but can you imagine having a fighter who can not only reverse time but heal themselves in the process? Imagine having that as a recovery. Or a spam. Or both. No thank you.

At least the rumors are saying now it'll be DVA. Not the worst choice but I'm still hoping for Doomguy.

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Yeah, D.va would soften the blow compared to Tracer, especially as someone more fun to fight against or use, but still.

I truly don't understand this scene at all. I think we've all gone crazy.

*literally every major doom game gets ported to switch with eternal still upcoming*
"just because Doom's on Switch doesn't mean Doomguy is in Smash"

*overwatch case*
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"TRACER'S IN BOYS"

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[GolisoPower]

Yeah, D.va would soften the blow compared to Tracer, especially as someone more fun to fight against or use, but still.

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Exactly. Add most of the library of that franchise, and nobody bats an eye. Make a Switch case with a game sigil and everyone loses their minds.

I swear, sometimes the Smash community has so many double standards.

 

[Pikmin-ism42]

can you imagine having a fighter who can not only reverse time but heal themselves in the process? Imagine having that as a recovery. Or a spam. Or both. No thank you.

Not a Tracer supporter at all, but this is such a weird argument. The Smash team doesn't have to replicate her powers 100% accurately, and there are so many differnet ways to balance that:
- Make her reverse ability work like it did in Overwatch and have it only reverse time for Tracer.
- Give her the reverse ability but without the healing bit.
- Give the ability a cooldown period.
- Make the ability a bit predictable to make it more risky.

 

[Ben Holt]

The leaked female fighter with a mech is Doom Slayess.

 

[Looma]

Pack it in buds I just found our last 2 challenger packs. We'll get em next time.

Spoiler

 

[Llort A. Ton]

The Overwatch switch case thing reminds me when the Minecraft Creeper 3DS got announced and a few people thought it was hard evodence for Steve getting in. So all in all I think its unlikely Tracer gets in, but im still preparing for it in case things all go to Hell (and not in a good way)

 

[Ridley_Prime]

Oh, that reminds me, this was a thing; the left being a Switch custom skin based on Doomguy's armor.

Up close with some of the Slayers Club custom console giveaways so far. pic.twitter.com/tS53ZDc1bi

— DOOM (@DOOM) July 31, 2019

 

[volbound1700]

Overwatch and even the Dovakin from Skyrim have a chance but I still consider Doomguy to be ahead of the Bethesda pack.

Edit: Sorry, I forgot Overwatch was Blizzard and not Bethesda. Imagine Diablo in Smash lol.

 

[GolisoPower]

I’ve been thinking about what kind of stage Doom Slayer could come with, and it’s been hard, lemme tell you. On one hand, the Hangar is by far one of the most iconic, but on the other, that Mars Core map in Eternal looks pretty sick. But you know what? I think I found a good contender: the Tower of Babel. A familiar battleground for a familiar foe. It appeared in Classic Doom and is going to appear in Eternal. In addition, the map itself looks like something that can be well-translated into Smash.

Also, maybe the Tower of Babel can pull a Mementos and change based on the music (Classic music gives the stage a WAD-style look whole modern music makes the stage the way it appears in Eternal).

 

[Ben Holt]

As long as Doom Slayer's stage rocks the E1M1 theme (full speed, not slowed down) and has fire and demons, I'll be satisfied.

 

[YsDisciple]

For entertainment.

Spoiler: DOOM Incorporated

Kudos to the creators. DOOM Slayer for Ultimate. \m/

 

[GolisoPower]

For entertainment.

Spoiler: DOOM Incorporated

Kudos to the creators. DOOM Slayer for Ultimate. \m/

I never asked to see this.

But I’m real glad I did. Who’d have thought that the Slayer would look good in a suit?

 

[Untouch]

Doom 64 popping up again, looks like it's going to be revealed soon.

Doom 64 rated in Australia https://t.co/esLbYNgi11 pic.twitter.com/V7aLLlLcCH

— Gematsu (@gematsu) August 30, 2019

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

It feels weird having something titled "Doom 64" be on PC and Playstation, like it just feels off xP

 

[Ridley_Prime]

This is very good news, after the complaints about the ports...

We’re working on a new game update for DOOM and DOOM II re-releases, which improves in-game lighting and audio to match the originals. The update also brings game performance improvements. Stay tuned for more details. pic.twitter.com/PpwKfAb670

— DOOM (@DOOM) August 30, 2019

 

[Llort A. Ton]

Maybe... just maybe... Doom 64 will be announced in that Nintendo Direct thats suppoused to be happening soon?

 

[GolisoPower]

Maybe... just maybe... Doom 64 will be announced in that Nintendo Direct thats suppoused to be happening soon?

If they announce that, then it could be a great structure for announcing Doom Slayer. Think of it this way: Nintendo Direct covers Doom Eternal for a bit ("Get ready to raise Hell on Earth when Doom Eternal releases on November 22nd"), then they announce Doom 64 afterwards. Then the Direct ends with a reveal trailer for Doom Slayer in Smash, framing it to look as though Metroid Prime 4 will have a world based on Doom's Hell, similarly to how Rosalina's trailer was framed to look like Kirby was joining Mario Kart. Ripping-and-tearing urges shoot through the roof and everyone gets hyped to be fighting like hell!

 

[Ridley_Prime]

So with the lighting and audio issues being fixed, is there any reason left to harp on the classic Doom re-releases, or are they considered acceptable enough ports now?

Makes me pretty thankful considering how like the Mortal Kombat Arcade Kollection (of the first three games) had such audio issues that were never fixed. They could’ve just not fixed these issues with the Doom ports, but they eventually addressed them.

 

[cmbsfm]

Maybe... just maybe... Doom 64 will be announced in that Nintendo Direct thats suppoused to be happening soon?

This is what is most likely going to happen. There’s a reason why they held off announcing it at Quakecon.

 

[Ben Holt]

From the Ryu Hayabusa thread:

Not trying to raise supporters hopes for nothing but your favorite ninja might just be the next fighter in the pass!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdYhLFiJIsY
He says Isabelle was the next character and Marx was a boss. He did say Spirits was subspace and was wrong there though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Wq3uuPDyg
He says Piranha Plant in this video. (This was after the NOAtesty leak though.)

Worth keeping an eye out on.

The leaker that leaked Marx as a boss and Piranha Plant (though not the first to leak plant) has come out and said that the next character to be revealed is Ryu Hayabusa.
This perfectly lines up with Google Theory, and would mean that Doom Slayer is a lock.

Edit: Also, "Doomabusa" is the new "Kencineroar".

 

[Holphino]

From the Ryu Hayabusa thread:

The leaker that leaked Marx as a boss and Piranha Plant (though not the first to leak plant) has come out and said that the next character to be revealed is Ryu Hayabusa.
This perfectly lines up with Google Theory, and would mean that Doom Slayer is a lock.

Edit: Also, "Doomabusa" is the new "Kencineroar".

Seeing Ryu Hayabusa as the 4th fighter would put a big dumb smile on my face. Ninja Gaiden absolutely deserves to be represented in Smash, plus him being in heavily points to Doomguy being fighter #5.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Doom 64 popping up again, looks like it's going to be revealed soon.

I'm predicting Doom 64 will be revealed on Nintendo's September 5th direct.

 

[Graizen]

So , same question i did at the Ryu Hayabusa thread:

You guys think Doomguy will have two costumes? Classic and Modern?

 

[Smashhacker]

The real question would be which costume would be his default one.

 

[TheFVguy]

The real question would be which costume would be his default one.

Pretty sure it would be his current Doom Slayer look.

 

[doomguywhen1993]

A great idea for a Doomguy Smash look is a combo of both Praetor suit and the classic armor, similar to Snake being both Snake's.

Anyway, Tracer being thought as a character for Smash is funny because we might not even be sure of her game's legacy in the future.
People complain about some characters being literally who's or being added just for advertising but at least a lot of recent characters will still be remembered in the future.
Overwatch feels like another "big game" that will vanish in 5 years.
The last i heard of the game is some character being added, that was a guy with exposed feet.
Everything else is talk about how the game is handled in the weirdest way possible (Like the devs not understanding that players main characters), some discourse over the characters, lore being a mess, porn and a lot of stuff that made people forget OW is even a video game.
Maybe its entire existence is being the game that was going to make a mockery out of BattleBorn but i feel like without Overwatch, BattleBorn would die regardless and people would call it the poor man's TF2 instead of the poor man's OW.
I think they added modding for OW but it was limited in a weird way because all you could do is add a bunch of stuff to existing maps and try to make a mode out of it?

Correct me if i'm wrong, but if Tracer ever gets in and years pass on, it'll feel like a slot is occupied by a brick.

 

[PublicServant]

A great idea for a Doomguy Smash look is a combo of both Praetor suit and the classic armor, similar to Snake being both Snake's.

Personally, I think the Doom Eternal Praetor Suit already achieves this.

You get the exposed biceps and bulky silhouette of the classic armour, the colour scheme and high-tech/demonic aesthetic of the 2016 Praetor Suit, alongside a few new bits and bobs like the Equipment Cannon and Doom Blade.

 

[Holphino]

So , same question i did at the Ryu Hayabusa thread:

You guys think Doomguy will have two costumes? Classic and Modern?

I would love to have a classic skin for him, but I would just be happy to have him in the game honestly.

 

[GolisoPower]

Am I the only one who wants new weapons in the single player campaign of Doom Eternal?

I mean, don’t get me wrong, the tried-and-true Arsenal is freshened up by the new weapon mods (especially the Meathook), but I for one want new weapons to fight with as the Slayer.

One idea I had was a gun called the Boneslinger, which would weaponize bones harvested from demons. Imagine hitting a Pain Elemental in the eye with an Imp’s spine. Or pinning a Pinky with a Hell Knight’s rib cage. You could have a ball with a weapon like this.

 

[cmbsfm]

Well, looks like our last shot is with DLC 5. I personally feel like Doom Slayer is a strong finish. Especially if it’s a VGA reveal when Doom Eternal is fresh in everyone’s minds.

 

[Untouch]

Spoiler

SNK as #4

follows my predictions and original theory.

SEGA - Sonic was one of the first games announced for Switch.
Square Enix - DQ WAS the first game announced for Switch.
Microsoft - Pretty heavy involvement early on, Minecraft was teased at the first Switch conference.
#4 - The early arcade games were THE first games on Eshop.

More than ever I think DLC was picked not to shill specific games, but to get third parties on board, and Bethesda is on board.

 

[PublicServant]

Am I the only one who wants new weapons in the single player campaign of Doom Eternal?

I mean, don’t get me wrong, the tried-and-true Arsenal is freshened up by the new weapon mods (especially the Meathook), but I for one want new weapons to fight with as the Slayer.

One idea I had was a gun called the Boneslinger, which would weaponize bones harvested from demons. Imagine hitting a Pain Elemental in the eye with an Imp’s spine. Or pinning a Pinky with a Hell Knight’s rib cage. You could have a ball with a weapon like this.

I think the new weapon add-ons would suffice mixing things up. Keep in mind that we'll also be getting the Slayer's own Crucible, so we've got that to look forward to and speculate.

So this "Boneslinger" is essentially the love child of the Unmaker/Soul Cube (uses former human souls/demon essence from their respective enemies as ammo) and the Junk Jet/Gravity Gun (flings mundane objects at enemies with lethal force), interesting. I doubt that Id would've scoured this thread (or Doom Eternal Tv Tropes WMG page, for that matter) in order to implement your idea as a whole, though you might have some chance with modders like the Project Brutality devs.

I'm more than willing to bet that the Slayer's Crucible is going to act as an upgraded Chainsaw or on-demand Berserk which

1. Won't lock the player into a glory kill animation and
2. Can only be activated once it's meter has been charged, which you do so by killing demons a la the Soul Cube.

 

[Llort A. Ton]

I see 2 major obstacles in Doomguys way as of now. If this SNK character turn out to be a Metal Slug character, then I think its over for us. While they would obviously play very differently, I think we'll only get one "gunner" for this fighter pass. If the SNK character is from Kof/Fatal Fury/ whatever, then I think were good. The next major obstacle would be Dragonborn, as while Doom may be more important to gaming, Skyrim was the first game shown for the Switch, so I could easily see Nintendo/Sakurai having TES in mind when hypothetically approaching Bethesda for Smash. I still think Doomguy has a decent shot, but now that were down to the wire I'm starting to worry a little bit.

 

[cmbsfm]

I see 2 major obstacles in Doomguys way as of now. If this SNK character turn out to be a Metal Slug character, then I think its over for us. While they would obviously play very differently, I think we'll only get one "gunner" for this fighter pass. If the SNK character is from Kof/Fatal Fury/ whatever, then I think were good. The next major obstacle would be Dragonborn, as while Doom may be more important to gaming, Skyrim was the first game shown for the Switch, so I could easily see Nintendo/Sakurai having TES in mind when hypothetically approaching Bethesda for Smash. I still think Doomguy has a decent shot, but now that were down to the wire I'm starting to worry a little bit.

Well it’s looking like the character is from KoF according to Sabi, so no need to worry about Metal Slug being competition.

If the character is from KoF, the their trailer will likely be a continuation of Incineroar’s. If that’s the case, then this bodes well for Doomslayer if they are planning on continuing trailers.

 

[Llort A. Ton]

Well it’s looking like the character is from KoF according to Sabi, so no need to worry about Metal Slug being competition.

If the character is from KoF, the their trailer will likely be a continuation of Incineroar’s. If that’s the case, then this bodes well for Doomslayer if they are planning on continuing trailers.

I still stand by my idea that if Doomguy gets in his trailer will continue Ridleys, but instead of and walking down the corridor and being taken out one by one by Ridley it'll be something like and walking down the same corridor where Bowser gets hit by a rocket and sent flying, Ganon gets impaailed by the shotgun hook and dragged away, then you see a close up of Doomguys visor with Ridley scared ****less reflected in it before zooming out to the Slayer revving up his chainsaw and cutting to gameplay.

 

[Davidius]

While I'd much rather Doomguy I'd take Marco/Metal Slug over the rest of SNK's roster. I don't think Doomguy is very likely in the short term but there's no way Nintendo aren't aware he's a popular western request by now and that should hopefully translate into something more later. In the unlikely event of a second round of DLC I would rate his chances as pretty decent.

 

[TindalosKeeper]

Oh, boy... This is not good...

I know you folks want Doom Slayer and I do as well, but given the fact there are plenty of adversaries out there that might be out-voting us in the Smash Ballot, I'm not so sure anymore...

According to Challenger Pack 4, it displays SNK, which would be Fatal Fury/Metal Slug/King of Fighters/etc.

The Challenger Pack 5 displays absolutely no Bethesda/Zenimax rep... This could mean the next Rep is already being displayed in the copyright...

You know... For Nintendo standards? This is just too ****ing horribly handled, upsetting many who wanted their dream chars (Specially those who have no idea what SNK is), and are now being thrown flak for being (understandably) upset over this choice... I am ****ing upset... I know the chars as I live in Latin America, but I never requested them.

If this was leaked on purpose, I guess it was just for the Smash community and their wish chars to be put out of their misery. If not, someone is gonna get fired for NDA breach... Assuming the char has to be revealed in the Direct first before starting to talk.

Gosh... What a depressing time-line...