Ask NickRiddle how to be amazing.

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Bthrow is just as good a throw as fthrow imo

 

[Nefarious B]

Less damage, not as good an angle, pretty much. I think the distance fthrow puts them at is more conducive to mixups as well, but that's just me.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

not as good an angle? I dun think so.

 

[stingers]

i use it to get people on platforms...

 

[BBQTV]

i dont know what you people are talking about. when ever i play a ZSS the always go for the up throw up air thing

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Uthrow lolol?

 

[BBQTV]

the one where zss kicks down into the ground and the opponent goes up in the air.

 

[Blakmane]

that's downthrow.

upthrow does do the most damage of all the throws, I believe. It doesn't send them out at a good angle though: if they DI correctly it's hard to chase with an aerial.

I don't think it's that horribly terrible however.

 

[BBQTV]

oh yeah it was down throw

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Uthrow pops them higher which activates the hardlanding lag sooner making it easier to catch landings.

 

[Nefarious B]

I guess if you're playing a character that just gets ***** by landings that could work, but those are usually characters that can be juggled easily anyways and you could dthrow for a more likely chance at a good long juggle

 

[stingers]

is there anyway to stop your pieces from falling away right at the start on brinstar? @.@

 

[wWw Dazwa]

Spawn on the left side.

You have the same positional disadvantage spawning on the right side of Rainbow Cruise, as well. They are both my favorite ZSS stages

 

[stingers]

also, does dsmash getting no additional hitlag on breakable objects mean it's a projectile? I was always confused about whether it was or wasnt lol

 

[solecalibur]

try spawning on the left of distant planet (we have that legal still?)

 

[Nefarious B]

I think it's technically a projectile like Lucario's side b. Doesn't really matter what the classification is, what that no hitlag and high hitstun means is that it is our safest attack on block though

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

I guess if you're playing a character that just gets ***** by landings that could work, but those are usually characters that can be juggled easily anyways and you could dthrow for a more likely chance at a good long juggle

Pitpitpit, we can shieldgrab all his aerials olol

 

[Nefarious B]

How do you do the super high jump out of down b? I've never known, all I get is the cannon ball sideways ones or a small vertical one

 

[NickRiddle]

How do you do the super high jump out of down b? I've never known, all I get is the cannon ball sideways ones or a small vertical one

IIRC, if the opponent is doing any sort of action at the same time, you get the high jump.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

It matters which direction you put in, upwards/none is high, sidewards is canonball iirc.

 

[Nefarious B]

Xonar when I press up/none it gets a jump like cannon ball height but right over their heads. Nick's probably right

 

[shlike]

nick do you hate japes as much as I do?

 

[NickRiddle]

nick do you hate japes as much as I do?

Japes is a dumb level, for dumb people.
That being said, I'd take people who couldn't camp me there.

 

[shlike]

what's the best method for getting out of the water? I always seem to die whenever I fall in from the middle platform.

 

[Supermodel From Paris]

Uthrow does a lot of damage, so in cases when damage is more important to me than follow-ups (such as in situations where I'm fighting a character that is hard to combo like olimar) I will use it sometimes. Uthrow STILL offers follow-ups!

Uthrow is also good in teams, because the sweeping animation is huge and she hits other people more often.

what's the best method for getting out of the water? I always seem to die whenever I fall in from the middle platform.

Mash X or Y, and then up+b IMMEDIATELY.

 

[NickRiddle]

what's the best method for getting out of the water? I always seem to die whenever I fall in from the middle platform.

Left side, or right side?

Left side: Jump + Up-B > Down-B > tether

Right side: Should be worried. Jump > Tether

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Jump moving WITH the water to get out faster, no joke.

 

[Roxas215]

So im picking up zss solely cause of your performance at MLG. I mean i always dabbled with her here and there but never got serious wit her as i didn't feel like taking the time to learn her. But after seeing your vids i picked her back up. She a really fun char.

Anyway a couple questions im sure u answered these but i dont feel like looking through all these pages lol

1.How do u feel about the armor pieces? Me personally i throw away 2 and keep 1. But seeing as how peach is my main and diddy is my secondary im **** good with stage control of the items. Should i continue to only use 1 or be more confident and use all 3?

2. I feel like there is no way zss can beat mk or falco. What do u think?

3.I feel like i spam forward b too much. How do u go about using that move?

4. If i get vids up would u critique them? lol

 

[NickRiddle]

So im picking up zss solely cause of your performance at MLG. I mean i always dabbled with her here and there but never got serious wit her as i didn't feel like taking the time to learn her. But after seeing your vids i picked her back up. She a really fun char.

Anyway a couple questions im sure u answered these but i dont feel like looking through all these pages lol

1.How do u feel about the armor pieces? Me personally i throw away 2 and keep 1. But seeing as how peach is my main and diddy is my secondary im **** good with stage control of the items. Should i continue to only use 1 or be more confident and use all 3?I only like using one. You can use however many you feel comfortable with.

2. I feel like there is no way zss can beat mk or falco. What do u think?Uair beats MK's aerials. GR > Uair is funny. Just do stuff to MK.
Pick a secondary for Falco. :D

3.I feel like i spam forward b too much. How do u go about using that move?Don't spam it. Use it to hit side-steps/ADs, or landings.

4. If i get vids up would u critique them? lolAs long as they are not wifi, I'll watch at least 1.
Vids up always helps.

In red.

 

[Nefarious B]

Nick, critique on my vids while you're at it? they're posted recently in our vid thread

 

[quirkynature]

I saw a few vids from the vid board and I couldnt' help noticing a few ZSS mains use their side-b like Link and Samus mains use their Z-air. Well, not exactly as much but enough to make an analogy.

I dabble in ZSS occasionally for offlines against D3 or a heavyweight so I know side-b is a great kill move when fresh. It deals decent damage and good knockback but I don't usually use it as a Z-air substitute. Should I be? I read your response to Phillyrider but spamming side-b and using it as a Z-air sub are two different things.

 

[NickRiddle]

I saw a few vids from the vid board and I couldnt' help noticing a few ZSS mains use their side-b like Link and Samus mains use their Z-air. Well, not exactly as much but enough to make an analogy.

I dabble in ZSS occasionally for offlines against D3 or a heavyweight so I know side-b is a great kill move when fresh. It deals decent damage and good knockback but I don't usually use it as a Z-air substitute. Should I be? I read your response to Phillyrider but spamming side-b and using it as a Z-air sub are two different things.

I'm starting to hate side-b vs. my training partners, so I dunno.
Not as a Zair substitute, that's different.
This move is super slow.
Use it as a landing/AD trap.

 

[Shadow 111]

Hm, you think ZSS vs falco is un-winnable, nick?
You play a secondary against him then? If so, which character do you use against him?

 

[NickRiddle]

Hm, you think ZSS vs falco is un-winnable, nick?
You play a secondary against him then? If so, which character do you use against him?

No, because I am dumb.
It's probably not as bad as I think, I just need to get more friendlies in with DEHF.
FL's Falcos, sadly, don't quite cut it.

 

[Nefarious B]

Yeah playing m2k today nick and I asked him about what you do. He goes I know what he's going to do everytime, he side bs so much. He's just really hard to hit.

I got a dash lock off on him and he was like wtf zomg what is that haha

I think nair is more similar to a link zair than side b personally.

 

[solecalibur]

What are your options against a D3'd down throw grab mind game and best solutions ???
Cost me a game yesterday =X

I'll paste this as I had mixed responses so far in our Q&A and you play CO so Im sure you know what to do (Other then dont get grabbed)

 

[NickRiddle]

I'll paste this as I had mixed responses so far in our Q&A and you play CO so Im sure you know what to do (Other then dont get grabbed)

No definitive answer.
You can DI down, for a quicker tech.
You can DI away and tech away, for a farther tech.
Di towards/down and tech towards for a quick tech behind.
You can DI up and AD/uair to get out of hitstun, and spotdodge/down-b away.

All of these can be read, and have their own benefits.
Just grab DDD first.
WHO THE **** WOULD SEE OUR ****TY GRAB COMING?!

 

[zApollo]

Nick, what is your opinion on the diddy matchup?

If I get a banana in hand, should I just toss it away or use it somehow? Trying to throw it back is useless as the diddy pretty much catches, or sheilds and catches it again. Even when I try to alternate with mindgames. I did not get a single set up for banana loop lol.

 

[solecalibur]

When they go PS happy on me its so fun to grab lol

 

[NickRiddle]

Nick, what is your opinion on the diddy matchup?

If I get a banana in hand, should I just toss it away or use it somehow? Trying to throw it back is useless as the diddy pretty much catches, or sheilds and catches it again. Even when I try to alternate with mindgames. I did not get a single set up for banana loop lol.

If they have one in their hand, dion't ever throw it at them.
Throwing it up helps a lot. Keeps the nanner around, without giving the Diddy immediate control over it.
Umm... The MU? Probably slightly in Diddy's favor.
I don't have THAT much exp in the MU, so I'm not totally sure.