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Q&A Ask Mango Falcon Questions =D and other things

Tee ay eye

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idk if this is a question you can really answer mango but

i play against a falco that will just sit back and laser till he can come in with a nair that's really hard to punish (or so it seems, maybe i just suck balls). so unless i can powershield, i end up stuck in my shield with a nair coming at my face, which leads to lots of pressure.

doesn't really feel like i can stomp oos without getting punished, letting my shield down in place in any form seems to get my punished because of shine, so i'm forced to just roll away, but falco has started just ****ing dash attacking my rolls which leads to another 500% combo.

so like, am i doing something wrong while in these situations, or should i work on just not getting in these situations in the first place
falco has punishable holes in his leg/laser silliness. it's not airtight unless you're playing against mango or peepee, and even then, i'm not sure. it's REALLY demoralizing to play a losing matchup against someone who's already better than you, though :urg:

there's a lot that goes into the neutral game vs falco, so we can't exactly tell you "do X in Y situation, and things will be all good in the hood." since melee is actually a good game, it's not about one-dimensional mixups, but you just have to learn a lotttt about small details in the game that will each help you a little bit, and eventually (ideally), they'll eventually propel you forward and make a big difference. also, little tricks go a REALLY long way against falco because he's so fragile and because he thrives on being able to lock you down. everything you add to your game will make it that much harder for falco to control you, which means a lot.

a useful trick (idk how well it works with falcon) is to run at falco, take a laser or two to make him think that you're going to try and manmode through his lasers. if you convince falco you're gonna do that, falco is probably going to throw out an attack to beat yours, and if that happens, just DD back/WD back/jump over him if he tries to do stuff.

another useful thing (imo) as falcon vs falco is to use empty jumps (with wavelands) to claim some space and to make falco think you're going to use a fullhop/DJ approach. so like, jump over falco's laser and make it look like you're going for a fullhop nair/bair/knee. if you make them expect an aerial, they'll probably back away, try to fight you, or shield. if they back away or shield, then you're free to push a little bit further until falco's trapped in the corner. if they try to fight you, then successful bait is successful.

keep in mind, falco isn't always going to fall for these things either, so you're going to need a backup plan. if they don't go for the bait, then you'll be able to apply pressure or act aggressively in SOME way, although there's way too much variability in that to begin explaining it. you're on your own for that one. remember to keep your testicles with you, since you're probably going to have to try a lot of stupid ballsy bull**** before you figure out what actually works.
 

commonyoshi

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What areas of the Battlefield/Yoshi's do you DI towards to escape pillar combos as a spacie? Any other defensive tips? I feel like once I get hit I kinda freak out, and I dont really have a plan of escape.
 

Mahone

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Well nair is like a straight line forward

and dair is like a straight line downward
this whole line thing is too abstract for me... is there like a household cleaning supply or something else you could make this analogy with to make it more clear???
 

Kira-

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1. do you think it's possible to front page elo playing only support

2. who do u think are the best supports for solo q

3. who's ur fav league player and ur favorite melee player (based on play style not personality)

4. how would u feel if a 12 year old kid was better than u at melee and u couldnt beat him
 

TheLake

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Mango mario advice!

ill give you 15 bucks!

MAKE AN ASK ME QUESTIONS THREAD FOR MARIO SO I CAN ASK YOU QUESTIONS EVERY DAY!
 

The Irish Mafia

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When do you *not* stomp oos?
What cues you to not challenge pressure?
Do you have any guidelines on how to use raptor boost successfully?
How would you suggest I approach playing "patiently, not defensively"? I feel like I'm either going in and pressuring my way into an opening or dd camping till they **** up.
 

Wizzrobe

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Wow, Mango you got a bunch of questions and I have another lol.

How do you fight Puff? (or more specifically Hungrybox) Down throw knee is hard to get on him because the hitstun is short so I almost have to predict how he is going to DI. It seems much safer to just u-air a bunch. I really just need some good tips on how to fight him and I know you have lots of exp vs Hbox so maybe you know about some player specific stuff even if you only go Fox vs him.
 

Tee ay eye

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this whole line thing is too abstract for me... is there like a household cleaning supply or something else you could make this analogy with to make it more clear???
a mop? no, that can't be it
windex? ****, that doesn't work either
a rake? no, that's for cleaning yards
a hoe? no, that's not used for cleaning.

HELP US MANGO

btw didnt lemonnation hit #1 elo playing mostly/only support?
 
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support is the one who calls the shots bot lane, so if you consistently **** bot then that will carry over to a lot of wins

caveat though is that u can't expect ur ad carry to carry cuz of u until 1900+ elo and even then
 

Voltz

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Yeah I think it has something to do with dthrow.

When it happened to me, I dthrew peach then caught her turnip, after that I started recording the continuous shield breaks (CPUs fail lol).

MaNg0, why do you think this happens?

:phone:
 

sirlaser

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Yes (I tried to do exactly what this tutorial said, as I've seen it before). But I can't get that to work. At least not with Falcon.

I kneed Ripple with it once. Also Doraki jumps are pretty useful to catch people offguard when they're recovering. People like all the female characters in Melee.
 

rjgbadger

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jeapie likes to do the dash attack walljump

mang0-why didn't you go falcon against hax at FC?

you did against darkrain
 

MaNg0

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i wanted to go falcon but he was like

YO go fox..

and i was like oKkKkK


and my bad ill answer questiosn eventually

got a new computer and ive been playing lots of gam3s
 

rjgbadger

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i wanted to go falcon but he was like

YO go fox..

and i was like oKkKkK


and my bad ill answer questiosn eventually

got a new computer and ive been playing lots of gam3s

damn i really wished for more high level falcon dittos. oh well

mang0-is there a true reason you don't play puff anymore?

part of me thinks that you quit so you don't get lumped in as a **** with hbox

another part of me thinks that falco/fox/falcon are just more fun (speed=fun)

mayb king needs to come back and re-influence you?
 

Knut

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i was just messing around with aerials > gentleman. how come i really don't see ppl space like a really low knee toward the middle of someones shield...then run through the rest of it, and pivot gentleman on the back of the shield. if you time and space it right, you could totally get behind the shield before they can shield grab (and what seems like a poorly spaced aerial could be a could bait for desperate shield grabs). it seems like a pretty nice mix up. any thoughts?
 

rpotts

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I bet that pivot->gentleman is a frame disadvantage against bair/nair OoS, maybe even stomp. Plus, if you're trying to bait out a shield grab doing a regular gentleman on the front of their shield would beat that anyways.

Try it out, it seems sort of unnecessarily difficult; accidentally ftilting on shield would get you bair'd, and missing the pivot and dash attacking would probably be even worse.
 

Knut

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yea i was just wondering. whenever i play falcon i never gentleman cause i never rarely practice it. but i decided to mess around with it right before i posted that. thought it looked kinda cool though. >_<

i guess im just used to wanting to get to the back of the shield for jab pressure when its possible. i forget falcon has a lot more options than that though.
 

S l o X

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falcon is huge and will get hit out of those SERIES of actions.

also low knee guarantees grab. (frame wise)

gentlemen is super good.
 

Strong Badam

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doesn't guarantee grab... they can buffer a roll or do bull**** frame 1 downb out of it if they're a dumb character
 

oukd

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I also heard it from somewhere, although I didn't believe it myself...
 
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