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Hawks go Caw
Smash Ace
One important thing to keep in mind is all your kill options. Usmash and Bair are our main options, but once you get the opponent into the ridiculously high percentages like 160%+ (which happens pretty often with Falco), your options open up a lot more. Utilt kills at like 170, Dtilt kills at around 165, Dair kills off the ground. So if you can get enough shield pressure on them, just poking through with one of these moves can get the kill for you.
And they can't shield when they're in the air.
Sorry but i don't feel like this has answered my question. I know what falcos kill moves are, and utilt and bair easily become my favorite moves at high percents for kills, but the point is i have trouble setting these moves up.
In a match where both me and meta are at high percents, i feel like the only safe thing i can do is laser from a distace. Against most people i can predict spot dodges/rolls/other patterns for a smash or attack in the air for kills, but when the only time i get close to someone they sheild, i dont know what to do to get the kill. If only one of falcos throws had killing power.
WaterTails
Smash Lord
Did you try a D-throw -> DACUS?
At kill percents dthrow hits them too far ;off the map, which is bad territory to go vs mk, or if they stay on the map it gives them too much time to dair out of it.
Force them to approach you. If they go for the Dsmash kill, predict when he will use it, spot dodge it and dsmash. Bair is also your best move for when they are in the air, it goes through their shuttle loop (not at the top) and their glide attack.
Spot dodge to up smash kills earlier.
Or diminish their shield with lasers then do a falling neutral air to their shield into an upsmash.
Up smash does kill earlier, but the MK has enough frames to shield the attack. Down smash is falcos fastest killing or high knock back attack following a spot dodge. It is very useful and provided you spaced yourself properly it is a very good move.
Hawks go Caw
Smash Ace
Edit: Dumb question is dumb. I'll figure it out.
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
Which way do we need to SDI to avoid the footstool?
Edit:
Also Dash Dancing once into Dash attack/IAP is amazing!!
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
I don't think it matters since the closest thing to a follow up is a Reflector. On top of that you never should follow up after the Jab combo since most characters can hit you after it, unless you Shield or Roll Away.
I like SHL away after jab string, or dashing dancing away and then returning back with a phantasm.
pure_awesome
Smash Lord
I've been Ftilting after AAA lately.
It works for some reason.
It works for some reason.
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
Ftilt:
Total: 26 frames
First hits on frame 6
Shield hit lag: 8
Shield stun: 11
Advantage: -17
Just be careful there are a few Disjointed/Quick Attacks that beat out frame six.
(MK, Marth, ROB, Diddy[he can actually SDI above us and break out Jab String with a Uair] and whatever else comes to mind.)
Total: 26 frames
First hits on frame 6
Shield hit lag: 8
Shield stun: 11
Advantage: -17
Just be careful there are a few Disjointed/Quick Attacks that beat out frame six.
(MK, Marth, ROB, Diddy[he can actually SDI above us and break out Jab String with a Uair] and whatever else comes to mind.)
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
we have an infinite?
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
Jab Infinite as in Hold A.
I was confused with this at first too.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Oh, thanks for clearing that up.
I normally end a jab combo early and start another one, or end it early, roll behind (as they usually try to punish you) and do another jab combo, its lovely =)
pure_awesome
Smash Lord
Oh, by the way.
Frame advantage is 0, by my testing. As in both characters can act at the same time. Combine this with the fact that your opponent's reaction will logically be slower than yours, and that's pretty nifty.
It also means that AAA->AAA is 2 frames away from being a true combo, which is fairly lulzy.
Frame advantage is 0, by my testing. As in both characters can act at the same time. Combine this with the fact that your opponent's reaction will logically be slower than yours, and that's pretty nifty.
It also means that AAA->AAA is 2 frames away from being a true combo, which is fairly lulzy.
Is there a trick to jabbing once then grabbing right after? I see vids of people doing it so quickly but whenever I try it I just continue the jab combo instead of grabbing. When I delay it enough to grab it seems too slow and easily avoidable.
It takes some time to practice it. Just do it against computers at first before trying it in a real match. I think there is some kind of buffering involved.
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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I think the AAA > AAA is almost a true combo on certain people. Doesn't the AAA actually prop people into the air for a bit? If you end it as soon as possible and you'll be hitting them with the AAA again before they can touch the ground. Minus DI to the ground of course.
pure_awesome
Smash Lord
It could probably true combo some people. But to be honest it's not even worth looking into. Falco doesn't move far enough forward for it to be useful at all. You'd be better off just continuing the original AAA.
Hmm it still seems too slow.. Any other thoughts on buffering it?
Also on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSRcVNy41NM at about 0:42 and 2:32 (maybe? he's under the stage a lot more), how does he land on the stage after his firefox? Whenever I'm in this situation and my opponent ledge hogs me I just fall to my death.
wangston
Smash Lord
When your back is to the stage like that you can move falco a little further back when he is falling down than if you where facing the stage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn-KGPej2Gk&feature=related
at 0:12 his grab is waaaayyy fast... I can't seem to do this, there's gotta be some trick to it. And when you say "jab cancel it" -- what does that mean and how do i do it.
at 0:12 his grab is waaaayyy fast... I can't seem to do this, there's gotta be some trick to it. And when you say "jab cancel it" -- what does that mean and how do i do it.
BleachigoZX
Smash Master
A-Down-Z (Though I'm pretty sure Falco gets nothing from CC the 1st Jab, the 2nd Jab you get something, I don't know by how much though...)
So like camping lasers off the edge, a good thing or bad? I got the timing down, because you never know when it will become useful, but is laser camping at the edge a good thing? (When you run off jump back on stage, what Rain did against the Japanese Snake) How, character specific, could this be used against a someone (Current S-A-B Tiers)
So like camping lasers off the edge, a good thing or bad? I got the timing down, because you never know when it will become useful, but is laser camping at the edge a good thing? (When you run off jump back on stage, what Rain did against the Japanese Snake) How, character specific, could this be used against a someone (Current S-A-B Tiers)
Hawks go Caw
Smash Ace
Mostly used to hit low crouching/crawling. But because you can't laser as frequently, it's is less effective.
If the opponent is near you, you can try run off > double laser > Usmash or something, but it's pretty risky and something that will only work on surprise.
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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I'm going to demand that Pure get frame data for CCing vs non-CCing. Just to finish off since everytime I see this talk come up people say it is there, but not entirely sure.
I find doing the off stage lasers useful at times. If you really want to camp someone to death then this is the sure fire method to do it. But since I actually approach.... it's sort of useless to me.
But, yeah... Off stage lasers are sort of mid risk -- very low reward. Mostly you get a combination of shine, SHDL and this to really out camp someone. If you can cause someone to crouch in the first place and they move towards you the approach has already succeded. If they stall with the crouch then I would do that. But I never really have the patience to try to out camp someone, I'd rather just space.
pure_awesome
Smash Lord
I'm not your circus monkey!
No but seriously, I can't get frame data anymore because Nintendo returned my fixed Wii to me with the 4.0 update, so now I can't install Homebrew.
Ask Denzi, I think he has frame-by-frame.
No but seriously, I can't get frame data anymore because Nintendo returned my fixed Wii to me with the 4.0 update, so now I can't install Homebrew.
Ask Denzi, I think he has frame-by-frame.
Recoil
Smash Journeyman
You can always install homebrew using bannerbomb o.o
Elyssa Xey Hexen
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Your right. Ths is brawl,not the circus. You are now the Falco Boards, Flying Monkey from the "Land of Ozz" xD
pure_awesome
Smash Lord
'splain plz.
Sph34r
Smash Journeyman
Bannerbomb is just the new twighlight hack. It's actually a lot easier too.
awesomeolion
Smash Cadet
Can you dash attack-up smash without hitting the opponent? I know you can with snake, but with Falco I genuinely just spent 15 minutes and the only time I could pull it off was when hitting the opponent.
Yea, it's possible. If done perfectly, his upsmash glides the length of about half of Smashville.
It is done the same way as the Snake mortar slide except there is the timing is much more specific. Just mess around with it in training mode.
I use down C-stick to initiate the dash and quickly do Up-Z to cancel the dash with an Up smash.