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[Tom Bombadil]

I'm trying to set up P2P because I get disheartened when I play online, not because I lose (which I do) but because I can't play my best with the delay. If my computer has an option to allow project 64 through my firewall, do I have to worry about port forwarding and all that?

Also, do people still play P2P these days and, if so, does anyone want some games?

 

[Loto]

Yes people still p2p and yes you need to forward your ports if you would like to P2P. And yes I'll P2p if you would like, I can host just hit me up on the server or shoot me a pm.

 

[cmu6eh]

Does Kirby's up air count as a spike?

 

[The Star King]

...no?

 

[mixa]

the CP has done a lot of crazy DIs recently. y'know, that one at the edge where you go flying up & towards the stage. anyone know the specifics of it?
I'm not talking about the DI you can do when recovering from below, I'm talking about that one which gives out the same effect, but you are near the edge (on the stage).

ok, I don't trust my description skills, so here for pixel format.

 

[AtotheZ]

Which moves have a fixed knockback, or close to it?

Yoshi's dtilt/utilt, DK's up b, and Kirby's uair come to mind, are there any others?

 

[clubbadubba]

Laser, shine, fox's downward angled ftilt

Luigi's up-b after first frame I think (maybe not).

A lot of drills seem to have fixed knock back at least until the last hit, aka 0 knockback.

 

[mixa]

Jabs come to mind. more or less
A attacks from an edgehog (haven't tested all chars)
Rest, Pound
DK's down B
Fox's first hit of uair
Samus' up B
Luigi's taunt
Luigi's dash attack
Link's weak bomb throw

I just thought of something that would be really cool to see, a graph of a move such as nair: strength x time. so Doc's would be the only one with a crescent one. or sth.

 

[clubbadubba]

Who's jabs? I can't think of one that is fixed knockback. You just gotta get up real high to notice it. Is Ness's dtilt fixed?

 

[mixa]

Yeh, that's why I said more or less.
Ness' d-tilt is not fixed. if you spam d-tilts, up until 150% a Fox would be able to push you with walking, but at 200%, the d-tilt will push him too far and he won't make it in time to push you before the next d-tilt comes.

 

[clubbadubba]

ah i see.

nairs don't gradually get weaker over time. There is a period where if you get hit it will be a strong nair, and a period where it will be a weak nair. The two time periods are separated by a distinct cutoff, so your strength vs time graph would look like a cliff. Rest is not constant knockback though.

 

[mixa]

wow, I've always thought it would be a nice curve. do you know if this is true for Melee as well?

you're right, I have no idea why I put Rest there.

 

[Sean of the World]

12 character battle rules?

 

[Loto]

Overview: Each player gets a total of 60 stocks, 5 for each character. The 1st player to lose all 60 stocks is eliminated.

Opening Stage: Before character selection, players will commence the stage striking system as described in the recommended rule set. The stage legalities from the recommended rule set apply.

Opening Characters: Players may either agree on an opening matchup, or if that is not doable, double blind picks may be called for.

In-game: Games will follow the format of the recommended rule set, i.e. 5 stock, no items, 100% damage, no handicap. If a player’s character has less than 5 stocks remaining at the start of the game, he must suicide his character until the stocks on screen matches the number of stocks remaining. Only stocks need to be kept track of, not damage!

After game: Once one player has lost all of the remaining stocks in a game, they are the “loser” for that round. The other player is the “winner.” The number of stocks lost for both the loser and winner should be recorded.

Loser has the option of changing stage.

1) If loser changes stage, then winner gets to change character, and then loser gets to pick his new character.
2) If loser doesn’t change stage, the winner must continue playing his previous character, and the loser gets to pick his new character.

Play continues like this until one player is completely out of characters.

 

[Sean of the World]

Any tips on controllers? I've read through numerous forums and I've noticed a trend of three main options.

1. Buy a good original controller. Kind of hard to find in the Lansing area of MI.
2. The epoxy fix video and stick greasing. http://youtu.be/OEJmSQjONRg
3. Hori pad. Can't find much about these controllers.

 

[Han Solo]

Any tips on controllers? I've read through numerous forums and I've noticed a trend of three main options.

1. Buy a good original controller. Kind of hard to find in the Lansing area of MI.
2. The epoxy fix video and stick greasing. http://youtu.be/OEJmSQjONRg
3. Hori pad. Can't find much about these controllers.

I would go with 1. meowmeowrainbowkitty (RIP) found a controller in perfect condition (most importantly with a perfect stick) at a flea market. You can get lucky like he did. I had my original controller, and bought a few sticks off a user who posted here. He might still have some sticks available. Search for the topic and PM him.

I've tried the fix on two control sticks, and I must've done something wrong because they're still really loose. I'll get to seeing what I did eventually. If you do get a good control stick, you should grease them.

I have no experience with Horis. They're kinda expensive I think, and they're not 64 controllers so I'll never buy them.


Now for my question:
Are there any benefits to angling shield other than on platforms (ex. angling down on DL platform to not get hit by falcon upsmash)?

 

[ballin4life]

Now for my question:
Are there any benefits to angling shield other than on platforms (ex. angling down on DL platform to not get hit by falcon upsmash)?

I've seen it used to block dtilts and stuff

 

[weedwack]

I found an essentially virgin controller at my friends house the other day. I beat him in smash with it so badly he humbly offered it as tribute.

 

[Sean of the World]

I'm getting pretty consistent with my short hop double lasers. Are there any tricks to perfecting this technique other than short hop and essentially sliding your thumb right to B and mashing like crazy? Is this just one of those things that takes a ton of muscle precision like slide DIing?

 

[asianaussie]

most people time the lasers instead of mashing

but mashing is the true secret technique

 

[Han Solo]

I've seen it used to block dtilts and stuff

This is wishful thinking, but are there any frame advantages for tilting shield? Like if you tilt your shield, you can escape shield-stun like 2 frames faster?

 

[mixa]

hey, Han Solo, can you crazy multishine on the keyboard too?

 

[Battlecow]

horis are expensive but worth it IMO

great controllers

pound doesn't have fixed KB lol, nor do most non-rapid jabs. Don't believe weak bomb throw does either.

first hits of mario's up-B

yoshi's down-b stars

kirby's neutral B, up-B (first 2 hitboxes)

prolly some others

 

[mixa]

not that I discriminated which was which but: "fixed knockback, or close to it".

but Pound isn't even close to being fixed. idk why I thought I knew anything about Puff.

 

[The Star King]

List of all fixed knockback moves, pretty sure this has everything outside of items:

Tell me if I missed any.

All get-up attacks
All ledge attacks

Luigi:
Dash Attack
D-Air
Weak Up-B
Taunt

Mario:
D-Air
Down-B
All but last hit of Up-B

Donkey Kong (F-Throw grab release isn't constant lol):
Dash Attack
Up-B
Down-B

Link:
First two hits of U-Smash

Samus:
U-Air
Up-B

Falcon:
None

Ness (his D-Tilt causes people to fall at like 900%+ lol):
All hits of Neutral-B but the initial

Yoshi:
U-Tilt
D-Tilt
Neutral-B (If that counts)
Down-B landing stars

Kirby:
U-Air
All but last aerial hit of F-Air
Landing hit of F-Air/N-Air/D-Air
Neutral-B copy/spit-out/release (if those count)
Rising and falling hit of Up-B (not the shockwave)
Fox's Neutral-B
All hits of Ness's Neutral-B but the initial
Yoshi's Neutral-B

Fox:
Down-angled F-Tilt
First hit U-Air
D-Air
Neutral-B
Down-B

Pikachu:
F-Air (Not the uncanceled landing hit)

Jigglypuff:
D-Air (Not the uncanceled landing hit)

God this was a ***** to find. Also Smashboards wouldn't generate a quote for me for some reason, had to manually do that ****

 

[SheerMadness]

Look at your local play n trade and other gaming stores. Like Han Solo said flea markets have hidden treasures too. It's surprising how often you can find quality N64 controllers at those places.

You can also buy replacement joysticks online. There's like 3 different types. Just don't get the gamecube style one. The other 2 are decent.

 

[Han Solo]

hey, Han Solo, can you crazy multishine on the keyboard too?

lol I hardly play online, and when I do it's with a controller. So, no.

 

[KrIsP!]

Hey I just realised ssb64 is on wii vc. What are the pitfalls of buying this? GCN controller no good, weird lag? I dunno at first I was thinking oh my god I need to buy this...now I'm thinking I should try to buy a N64 instead lol

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Hey I just realised ssb64 is on wii vc. What are the pitfalls of buying this? GCN controller no good, weird lag? I dunno at first I was thinking oh my god I need to buy this...now I'm thinking I should try to buy a N64 instead lol

http://smashboards.com/threads/334038/
See this thread

There is also something called not64 as well if you have a hacked wii which is supposed to work well as well.

 

[Yobolight]

Ive tried ssb64 for the wii. It feels really weird, probably mostly due my familiarity to the 64 controller.

 

[ballin4life]

List of all fixed knockback moves, pretty sure this has everything outside of items:


God this was a ***** to find. Also Smashboards wouldn't generate a quote for me for some reason, had to manually do that ****

Do all of these work the same in that the amount of fixed knockback is higher for lighter characters?

 

[cmu6eh]

Which moves have the same knock-back even if you change the damage ratio thing?

 

[lpierce1313]

Who plays best on a team with pikachu? not including kirby or mario.

 

[clubbadubba]

Who plays best on a team with pikachu? not including kirby or mario.

pikachu does

 

[Battlecow]

the sad thing is that as OP as pika is in singles

he's fifty times better in teams

and as OP as one pika is in teams

2 pikas are like pika^600, soooooo much greater than the sum of their parts

pika+pika is so so so much better than any other team

 

[Sean of the World]

Look at your local play n trade and other gaming stores. Like Han Solo said flea markets have hidden treasures too. It's surprising how often you can find quality N64 controllers at those places.

You can also buy replacement joysticks online. There's like 3 different types. Just don't get the gamecube style one. The other 2 are decent.

Found a beautiful virgin stick today at a electronic thrift store. Going to grease that baby up today. Could you possibly link me to the replacement sticks that aren't the terrible gamecube style sticks? I can't seem to find them on the interwebs.

 

[Yobolight]

Kirby + Fox is the best team.

SHDL + SHTL ftw.

 

[madrush21]

Kirby + Fox is the best team.

SHDL + SHTL ftw.

I was trying this out last night! Kirby can uptilt> uptilt > bair > laser > followup With fox's lasers Kirby is legit. I'm running this team at a 2v2 tournament tonight.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Top teams
Dub Pikachu
Pikachu/Fox
Kirby/Fox
imo

 

[ballin4life]

I'm horrible at teams but I think Fox is just too gimpable.