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[SheerMadness]

Yah ballin you've clearly dropped the ball on this one. We told you how to edgeguard mario when u posted those tourney matches vs mario however long ago it was.

And you either ignored or forgot everything we told you.

Like SK said, you can down tilt mario's up b all day. Works every time. It pops him up then you aerial him out further.

If you wanna be able to edgeguard mario with every character you need to learn how to use edgehog invincibility against him. You edgehog right before mario's up b and he'll either die (because you obviously have the ledge with invincibility) or he'll pop up on the stage. Due to animation lag you'll have enough time to either simply get up (and grab/smash) or jump up and aerial him.

 

[ballin4life]

Don't remember? @_@ *insert typical SK rant about you guys having terrible memory here*. I wonder why I bother writing help posts like that sometimes, they never help anyone :/

I'm so unappreciated. This relationship is over.

You gotta use the power of Google bro. Although it still was a little hard to find.



Although REALLY when you're talking about edgeguarding, tl;dr is just dtilt him. It's the best way and it's easy.

blame smashboards search for not finding that. thanks for digging it up.

Yah ballin you've clearly dropped the ball on this one. We told you how to edgeguard mario when u posted those tourney matches vs mario however long ago it was.

And you either ignored or forgot everything we told you.

Like SK said, you can down tilt mario's up b all day. Works every time. It pops him up then you aerial him out further.

If you wanna be able to edgeguard mario with every character you need to learn how to use edgehog invincibility against him. You edgehog right before mario's up b and he'll either die (because you obviously have the ledge with invincibility) or he'll pop up on the stage. Due to animation lag you'll have enough time to either simply get up (and grab/smash) or jump up and aerial him.

I did find those posts and I did remember those btw

 

[Yobolight]

How do you beat jigglypuff as yoshers?

 

[ballin4life]

So I've been trying out Fox dtilt edgeguard some more. Seems like at mid percents it sends opponents too high to follow up with anything. Am I doing it wrong?

 

[SheerMadness]

Ballin you should just get online and play Mario vs my Fox.

I feel like you have some mental block vs Mario and are never going to get it down unless you see it visually.

 

[ballin4life]

you may be right. videos would help too. can't hop online now but if at some point i do then i will go mario against you

 

[Yobolight]

Has anyone ever considered the possibility that samus might not be the worst character?

She is a pretty good character and I have seen in person and on Youtube people like Jaimehr her ability.

 

[Battlecow]

No, we never considered that. We just sort of worked off of the assumption that she was the worst to begin with. Weird, it sounds like the kind of thing someone would have thought of in the last 12 years.

 

[asianaussie]

luigi is tubbs and i know im not the only one entertaining the notion of samus being better than luigi

 

[Hiphiphooray]

Does anyone have an entertaining and efficient way to practice tech skills/combos? I'm at the smash skill level where I know what I need to do, but I always mess up with short hops and z-cancels which ruins my combo chains. I want to get better, but I can only play in training mode for so long before I get bored and quit.

 

[Yobolight]

Does anyone have an entertaining and efficient way to practice tech skills/combos? I'm at the smash skill level where I know what I need to do, but I always mess up with short hops and z-cancels which ruins my combo chains. I want to get better, but I can only play in training mode for so long before I get bored and quit.

Play multiple hours against humans and focus on building muscle memory.

When I first started z-canceling I mashed Z to build familiarity with the concept without frustrating myself with timing failure (don't do that forever because it can cause technical errors such as unintentional shielding)

Short hops felt really natural for me because I used to exclusively play with Ness and do a lot of really quick DJC button slides. When I had mastered DJC I just transitioned from 2 buttons to 1 and it turned out that full hopping was the one I had to think about doing.

It all comes down to muscle memory.

 

[ballin4life]

Does anyone have an entertaining and efficient way to practice tech skills/combos? I'm at the smash skill level where I know what I need to do, but I always mess up with short hops and z-cancels which ruins my combo chains. I want to get better, but I can only play in training mode for so long before I get bored and quit.

Can play CPUs. For basic tech skill it's just gonna come down to getting used to it

 

[Hiphiphooray]

Yeah, short hops have already become second nature for me, but z cancels are difficult for me to time. It seems like every move has a different timing required and if you hit the opponent with only part of the move then it changes the timing as well. Ill definitely try that, but it seems like its more than just muscle memory, since all the moves differ and you have to time it so perfectly.

 

[Yobolight]

Yeah, short hops have already become second nature for me, but z cancels are difficult for me to time. It seems like every move has a different timing required and if you hit the opponent with only part of the move then it changes the timing as well. Ill definitely try that, but it seems like its more than just muscle memory, since all the moves differ and you have to time it so perfectly.

Within 20 frames of your landing is the window. The window isn't so small as to be truly difficult with a little practice.

hitting shields and the different falling speeds can mess you up in the early days, but if you just pay attention to your distance from the ground it is easy. Don't think about it too much just right before you hit the ground press z.

 

[asianaussie]

you have freaking forever to z-cancel, once you're practised up the only reason you'll miss em is cold hands and/or some sort of lag

 

[B Link]

z-cancelling some moves are still hard for me to land consistently

 

[The Star King]

you have freaking forever to z-cancel, once you're practised up the only reason you'll miss em is cold hands and/or some sort of lag

eff you bro

 

[joY]

Within 20 frames of your landing is the window..

Holy bejesus! Is it really that big?

Z-Cancelling, with this in mind, shouldn't be large a feat to overcome with some practice, so don't fret.

 

[B Link]

I guess, if you're z-cancelling simple stuff like falcon uair combos or yoshi's dair->utilt combos xD

Doing more complicated combos against an opponent with good DI, while maneuvering on platforms, makes z cancelling much more tricky, even good players mess up on these sometimes

yaya practice makes perfect yadada. I still think the saying here should be changed to a ****load of practice makes you a little more consistent.

 

[AtotheZ]

Why is saffron banned in tourneys?

Why is mushroom kingdom banned in tourneys?

they both seem fair to me

Spoiler

and why isn't ness considered the worst in the game?

 

[asianaussie]

saffron for camping

mk for idiocy

luigi is bad

link aerials are hard to cancel, so is fox d-air if you dont touch him for a few weeks

 

[AtotheZ]

saffron for camping

I don't see it being any worse than hyrule for camping though

 

[asianaussie]

hyrule because isai likes it and we like isai

or something

 

[B Link]

also: PORYGON

 

[The Star King]

I don't see it being any worse than hyrule for camping though

According to Boomfan it's worse (and he thinks Hyrule is bad enough to be bannable)

Everyone went along with it because nobody plays on the stage anyways

 

[Battlecow]

the saffron helipad is REALLY bad in a lot of matchups

IDK if it's worse than hyrule but I guess I trust boom's opinion

 

[kys]

Pokemon too, in case helipad utilt kirby camping isn't enough.

 

[AtotheZ]

the saffron helipad is REALLY bad in a lot of matchups

IDK if it's worse than hyrule but I guess I trust boom's opinion

Which matchups are terrible on it? I can see that happening, but I'm not sure which ones I would look at as being a bannable offense.

Drop some knowledge on me.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Which matchups are terrible on it? I can see that happening, but I'm not sure which ones I would look at as being a bannable offense.

Drop some knowledge on me.

I'm not very good at this game but if a kirby utilt camped helipad and I was falcon....

just yuck man. yuck.

 

[TANK64]

I guess, if you're z-cancelling simple stuff like falcon uair combos or yoshi's dair->utilt combos xD

Doing more complicated combos against an opponent with good DI, while maneuvering on platforms, makes z cancelling much more tricky, even good players mess up on these sometimes

yaya practice makes perfect yadada. I still think the saying here should be changed to a ****load of practice makes you a little more consistent.

Seriously. This. These kids don't do any complicated **** apparently. You know how many errands I'm simultaneously running in 20 frames. Or maybe these kids don't play Link idk.

BLink is smart. BLink is my dawg.

I like Tom. Tom is my dawg.

 

[The Star King]

Or maybe these kids don't play Link idk.

so true rofl. +10000

 

[Yobolight]

Is DJC Nair Yoshi's best out of shield option?

 

[ballin4life]

@Yobo I like usmash

 

[KnitePhox]

On second thought I won't hate

 

[Battlecow]

Pokemon too, in case helipad utilt kirby camping isn't enough.

nados are worse than pokemon IMO. you know where pokemon are gonna come from and they don't randomly speed up

Which matchups are terrible on it? I can see that happening, but I'm not sure which ones I would look at as being a bannable offense.

Drop some knowledge on me.

like kirby utilt camping, for example, is really great against a bunch of characters. And in my experience falcon is not a lot of fun to approach from above/from that angle with, for example, pikachu or fox

 

[Vkrm]

Is there auto canceling in smash 64? I understand that there doesn't really need to be.

 

[Han Solo]

I believe so. For example, Fox's dair lasts something like 32 frames, but if you hit the ground after frame 20 it cancels itself.

(numbers may be off)

 

[The Star King]

Yes .

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Is there auto canceling in smash 64? I understand that there doesn't really need to be.

If you use a move up enough in the air that the ending lag does not matter, then yeah. Just double jump off of the top of the highest hyrule platform and use a non fast-fall Ness d-air.

 

[kys]

nados are worse than pokemon IMO. you know where pokemon are gonna come from and they don't randomly speed up

IMO hyrule nados are game breaking.

I definitely don't feel that pokemon are, it's just another reason that stacks up with helipad camping to make Saffron illegal.