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[Robbie_L]

Can someone explain what a 12-character battle is? The concept of that intrigues me, and I don't have the patience to watch and figure it out by myseld

 

[Sempiternity]

Can someone explain what a 12-character battle is? The concept of that intrigues me, and I don't have the patience to watch and figure it out by myseld

I'm a little fuzzy on the details, but the bottom line is that each player gets five lives for each character, and the lives (not damage) carry over from game to game.

So, for example, the first game ends with A beating B and ending with 2 lives. The next game, B chooses a new character, and A plays with the previous character, suiciding until he has the 2 lives left over from the previous game, at which point they begin playing again, and the process repeats itself.

Now, what I'm not clear on is how changing the stage, or the winner choosing a new character works. Maybe if the loser opts to pick a different stage, the winner can counterpick a different character?

If somebody could enlighten me as to the order this all goes, that would be great. Like, does the loser pick his new character, then picks a new stage, and THEN the winner has the opportunity to pick a new character?

 

[dandan]

if the loser decides to change a stage, the winner can change chars, otherwise, he should stick to the char he won with.

 

[Sempiternity]

Q: What are the criteria for the audience chanting/cheering during a match?

I suspect it's got something to do with wall hits, as tent combos seem to procure the most applause. Recoveries from down low (the point where you hear the drooping noise?) also spark OOOOs and AHHHs from the crowd. Anything else?

 

[asianaussie]

hitting an edgeguarding opponent as you are recovering
same move wall combos
wall combos that lead into death
item jazz

 

[The Star King]

I think it's mostly the oohs and ahhs from the crowd. Tent combos are good for this because you can string a lot of moves with decent knockback together.



Is there a way to remove the phone thing from automatically appearing whenever I post with a phone? It's getting on my nerves.

 

[ciaza]

User CP>Edit Options>Phone Icon (bottom of page)

Tick the box.

 

[asianaussie]

maybe you should phone a friend



oh god what is with me today

im intentionally ******** or something

 

[Battlecow]

Smash runs at 60 fps on console, right?

Some melee scrubs told me today that it ran at thirty (as in, same speed, but half as many frames) even though it runs at 60 on emu.

I kind of lol'd at them and was very sure for a great number of reasons that this was not the case, but then they checked smashwiki and it said the same.

And yes, smashwiki is wrong more often than it's right, but I'd still like confirmation.

 

[ciaza]

NTSC = 60FPS
PAL = 50FPS

Unless I'm mistaken, correct me someone if I'm wrong.

 

[Sempiternity]

NTSC = 60FPS
PAL = 50FPS

Unless I'm mistaken, correct me someone if I'm wrong.

Eh, not in every game. I have also heard the same for SSB64, about it being 30, but I've no way to confirm that, as the emulator says 60. (I'm quite positive it does run at 60fps, btw.)

But not every game runs at 60 or 50 or whatever. For example, Majora's Mask is a very intensive game, and so runs at a mere 20fps. However, Smash is very light on resources (same applies for Melee), so there is absolutely no reason it should run any lower than 50/60.

 

[ciaza]

I was talking about Smash 64 specifically, sorry for being unclear.

After playing both PAL and NTSC version thanks to James, NTSC definitely feels 60 FPS, similar enough to offline emulator. I've never heard of it being 30 FPS.

 

[Sempiternity]

All of the precious frame data collected over the years would be wrong! ALL WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG

or, well, double

 

[Sangoku]

NTSC is 60 fps and PAL is 50. They run at the same speed however, you just have dropped frames in PAL.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

Certain games will run at a fixed framerate instead of a constant 60fps. Example of this would be Mario party games and Mario kart 64, they all run at 30fps constant of 60fps like ssb.

 

[cheeseball341]

I agree.

Pal *****.

 

[Dsc]

I also agree.

Pal does ****.

 

[ciaza]

I prefer NTSC myself.

Anyone know how fast (A) runs?

 

[asianaussie]

almost certain its just PAL version

 

[Michael0731]

Need Help

When I join an online game, I can't move my mouse cursor at all. And same goes for someone who joins my game. Also i can't see my mouse cursor at all when selecting a character making it very hard to pick one. If anyone can help I'd appreciate it a lot. Thanks

 

[Hiphiphooray]

Does anyone have advice for me on how to time my jumps when playing? I've been playing with cfalcon and pika, and it just seem hard enough to chain more than 2 u-airs with falcon and with pika it seems near impossible.

How many u-airs should i be able to get off consistently with falcon on all character? Right now, i can only really f-throw, 1-2 u-airs. on heavies, i can get 2-3 u-airs and upB.

Also, if you have any good methods to practice the advice it would be great

 

[Sangoku]

Hello! So with falcon, against heavies (falcon dittos) do the following: grab, run upsmash, then full hop uair (jump with the joystick, so you already have up tilted) twice without second jumping. When you land, redo the same thing (full hop uair twice). Then when you land again, full hop uair, second jump and upb. This is the easiest combination I found =D. This makes 5 uairs plus upb.

Against lighties, it's a bit harder I guess. For example against pikachu, what you can do is grab, run short hop uair, you land, full hop double uair (like against falcon), you land, full hop uair, second jump uair, upb. 5 uairs too yay.

Just go to training mode against either falcon or pika (or whoever actually) on hyrule and grab them from the right (assuming you're player 1) and combo them to the left.

With pikachu it's a lot harder. I think you have to be able to short hop double uair. I think you'd better start easier combos with him such as uptilts juggles to bair.

 

[ballin4life]

short hop double uair is not very useful for pika combos

hiphophooray i don't really know what you're actually doing without a video, but watch some youtube videos of good players and see how they use falcon/pika uairs.

 

[Sangoku]

He meant for uair chains with pika. The point is that you have to be able to short hop uair very quickly (by sliding for example), which would allow to sh double uair. So even if you don't need that (since you're in the air while chaining them), you still have to be able to have the same first input. Tell me if I'm wrong, which is probable since I rarely uair chain with pika.

And yeah hiphiphooray, whatch ballin's combo vid for a good example of pika uair chains and watch old boomfan vids (when he played a rather non-campy falcon è_é) to see some uair combos with falcon.

 

[ballin4life]

Meh, you don't really need to button slide to do pika uair chains. Just utilt until they are high enough so you can jump uair without button sliding.

Although you can use sh double uair, the vast majority of the time it's not like you NEED to do it.

 

[Sangoku]

Okay then. But you need to short hop uair? I don't think I've ever succeeded in full hop uair chains.

 

[ballin4life]

Either one works, depends on the height the opponent is at.

 

[The Star King]

IDK ballin

In a lot of Isai pika vids, he does uair chains on sem-floaties with short hop double uairs

But you often need to jump sideways to do those, and I am bad at doing double uairs with a shorter short hop

But I think short hop double uair IS useful if you can do those

 

[ballin4life]

I agree that they can be useful sometimes. What I'm doing a horrible job of getting across here is that you don't NEED to learn how to do sh double uair to do pika uair chains. at all.

 

[Battlecow]

So for a hori minipad adapter, should I get the N64 to USB or the GC/N64 to USB? Or do they both work? The N64-only one is a bit cheaper, but it doesn't emphasize hori compatibility like the GC/n64 one (although it does mention it).

Edit: NVM I got the N64 one.

 

[Sempiternity]

Where'd you get a hori pad? :C

 

[Battlecow]

I found a really good deal on Ebay. They usually sell for like $60 and above, but everyone in my crew got ours for like $25 apiece (might've been a bit more? I forget)- I guess people just don't check Ebay for good hori-minipad offers often enough.

 

[Sempiternity]

You bought it used, I presume? I always get nervous buying used stuff.

 

[Battlecow]

Yeah, used. New ones usually cost over $100.

They were all in good condition.

 

[Olikus]

Im interested in buying a hori-minipad. Because of the good joystick. But the problem I see is that it is so small. I would probably get wrist damage because of my large hands.

 

[Battlecow]

I have pretty big hands. Works fine for me. I've never heard anyone say it was a problem for them, just small-hand people saying that it might be a problem for big-handed people.

 

[Sempiternity]

Is there some kind of hand-size chart around these parts that we can consult?

 

[Olikus]

I have pretty big hands. Works fine for me. I've never heard anyone say it was a problem for them, just small-hand people saying that it might be a problem for big-handed people.

I personally never tried it so I dont know. Ive just heard that it can be a problem since you kind of must bend your wrists a bit. But the joystick probably would make up for it anyways.

 

[ciaza]

YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT BIG HANDS.













BIG GLOVES.

x.

 

[Sangoku]

Anyone has examples of Yoshi combos on Jiggly? Easy ones would be better, so I can train basic stuff. Thanks!