APM of Smashers. July Update - The Fastest Peach

[keeper]

0_0 what? 16 times per second?!

That's not too out of the question. I used to do that back when I played an FPS and you had to input a button for each shot of a certain gun. I got to 20 once.

Have you ever timed how fast you can mash a button? >_>

Otto is still crazy technical.

 

[RockCrock]

Yet again, fantastic job, stabbed. 374 is utterly ridiculous to pull off in a real match. Otto, you're a beast.


The fastest segment I've ever clocked:

Sin's Captain Falcon Traditional Home Run Contest World Record
Turn
Pickup Bat
Dash
Bair
FF
L-cancel
Short Hop
Drop Bat
Dair
FF
L-cancel
Full Hop
Catch Bat
Drop Bat
Dair
FF
L-cancel
Full Hop
Catch Bat
Drop Bat
Dair
FF
L-cancel
Full Hop
Catch Bat
Drop Bat
Dair
FF
L-cancel
Full Hop
Catch Bat
Drop Bat
Dair
FF
L-cancel
Full Hop
Catch Bat
Drop Bat
Dair
FF
L-cancel
Full Hop
Catch Bat
Drop Bat
Dair
FF
L-cancel
Full Hop
Catch Bat
Drop Bat
Dair
FF
L-cancel
Full Hop
Catch Bat
Drop Bat
Uair
FF
L-cancel
Full Hop
Catch Bat
Drop Bat
Double Jump
Stick Left
Falcon Punch

~65 actions
10 seconds
390 APM

 

[Silent Wolf]

if someone does zelghandi, make sure to read the thread i made, i layed everything out in text form, so make sure you catch everything i did, ie the shields in between shines out of dash dancing and the dash dancing.

 

[Phoenix~Lament]

Measuring APM for Taj.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m9138477W8

I assumed that he used the C-stick for all aerials other than Nair, and judging by his momentum while executing these aerials I think that's a safe assumption.

Didn't have to account for DI, of course.

Match start: 0:06
Dash right 1
Dash left 1
Dash right 1
Dash left 1
Short hop 1
Nair 1
Fastfall 1
L-cancel 1
Crouch 1
JC Grab 2
Pummel 1
Up throw 1
Turn around 1
Grab 1
Crouch 1
Jump right 2
Fair 1
Fastfall 1
L-cancel 1
Shield 1
Grab 1
Pummel 1
Forward throw 1
Crouch 1
Dtilt 1
Walk right 1
Jab 1
Walk off stage 1
Side B 2
Double Jump 1
Bair 1
End first stock: 0:15
34 actions

Up+B 2
Ledge Hop 1
Air Dodge right 2
Crouch 1
Jump 1
Waveland 2
Short hop 1
Move back 1
Ledge Hop 1
Walk left 1
Fsmash 1
Walk right 1
Counter 2
Move right 1
Side+B 2
Double jump 1
Fair 1
End second stock: 0:26
22 Actions

Up+B 2
Roll 1
Wavedash right 3
Walk left 1
Crouch 1
Wavedash right 3
Fast fall 1
Let go of edge 1
Double jump 1
Let go of edge 1
Double jump onto stage 1
Up air 1
Fast fall 1
L-Cancel 1
Utilt 2
Turn Around 1
Utilt 2
Turn around 1
Utilt 2
Utilt 1
Fsmash 1
Jab 1
Move right 1
Side+B 2
Double jump 1
Bair 1
End third stock: 0:40
35 Actions

Up+B 2
Ledge hop 1
Crouch 1
Wavedash right 3
Let go of edge 1
Double jump 1
Let go of edge 1
Double jump 1
Let go of edge 1
Double jump 1
Nair 1
Fastfall 1
L-cancel 1
JC Grab 2
Down throw 1
Turn around 1
Jab 1
Dash right 1
Fast fall 1
Side+B 2
Side+B 2
Double Jump 1
End game: 0:50
28 Actions

Total actions: 119
Total match time: :46

Overall APM: 155

Yeah I'm back calculating APM for 4/5 stock flawless matches :D I like to calculate APM for those kinds of matches because those numbers would be closest to the highest possible APM. Still, I guess marth isn't a techy character

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

Oh wow that APM is so low XD

Not that surprising since it's Marth and all he did was straight gimp him 4 times lol

 

[Wobbles]

Taj doesn't use the c-stick for aerials. You also might want to pick another match, since that one isn't really representative of his on-stage movement.

 

[Phoenix~Lament]

Taj doesn't use the c-stick for aerials. You also might want to pick another match, since that one isn't really representative of his on-stage movement.

Hm, those are good points.

I'm curious to see the APM of an IC's player. I wonder if.. ;P...

 

[Rat]

It would be cool to see the APM of other fighting games.

We could compare the two. Then invade their forums not only with self-righteous claims but with DATA!

 

[ETWIST51294]

That's not too out of the question. I used to do that back when I played an FPS and you had to input a button for each shot of a certain gun. I got to 20 once.

Have you ever timed how fast you can mash a button? >_>

Otto is still crazy technical.

Actually I haven't. I should next time i play marvel.

 

[Silent Wolf]

1st clip of zelghandi (falco)

dash 1
dash 1
wavedash back 3
dash turn around laser 3
shine, jump 2
short hop uair 3
fast fall, l cancel 2
turn around waveshine 6
shine, jump 2
short hop uair 3
fast fall, l cancel 2
turn around jc shine (2) 7 (odd number, because short hops is VVV down there)
short hop 1
uair, ff, lc 3
dash 1
turn around laser 2
dash (4) 4
shield, jump, shine jump 4
uair ff lc 3
waveshine turn around (2) 12
taunt 1

66 actions in 8 seconds
495 apm

i counted each direction i press, sorry its kind of sloppy >_>
I also count me pressing a direction and a button at the same time as 2 actions

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

Doing the APM for Zelghandi seems like way too much work. XD

 

[Strong Badam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlBcmeQpjl0
float cancel (down + jump)
reset control stick to neutral
nair
unpress (?? whatever you know what I mean) jump button
5 actions x 18 =
90 actions in 6.9 seconds
60/6.9 = 8.69.....
8.695.... x 90 =
782 APM
and just for fun:
13 APS

Did I do this right?
i think frame perfect fc nairs would be 1000 actions per minute o_O

 

[Phoenix~Lament]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlBcmeQpjl0
float cancel (down + jump)
reset control stick to neutral
nair
unpress (?? whatever you know what I mean) jump button
5 actions x 18 =
90 actions in 6.9 seconds
60/6.9 = 8.69.....
8.695.... x 90 =
782 APM
and just for fun:
13 APS

Did I do this right?
i think frame perfect fc nairs would be 1000 actions per minute o_O

Letting go of the control stick and the jump button don't really count as actions..

Then again it's debatable when you're spamming action-heavy techniques that require precision.

To err on the low side, I'd estimate his APM is 391 (halved)

 

[Strong Badam]

It'd be ~ 469 or 470 if you don't count letting go of the control stick and jump button. I would say that since he's doing each FC nair in 1/3rd of a second that it should count, though, since it's definitely a LOT harder than just holding down and tapping jump + a over and over.

 

[Vulcan55]

In one frame I can press A once.
1 press on one frame = 60 aps = 3600 apm

midionitrite?

 

[Silent Wolf]

doing apm for one technique is dumb lol, let alone an easy one. advancing shine turn around jc shines or shine fast fall fade back dairs with fox would get the highest apm other than just pressing a a lot or mashing all the buttons or something else dumb

 

[Strong Badam]

excuse me, silent wolf, but did you say that repeated, quick float cancel nairs were easy?
i stopped reading there...

also, a correction to my previous post: fc nair is actually 6 actions, since armada has to fast fall... or 4 if you don't count letting go of x/y or resetting control stick to neutral. so that would be.... 939 APM for 6 actions per fc nair, 626 APM for 4 actions per fc nair.
frame perfect it's 1200 for 6 and 800 for 4 rofl.

 

[RockCrock]

You can't fast fall a float that started on the ground.

You can fast fall a float that started on the ground. Thank you, Cactuar.

 

[Strong Badam]

I just did some tests and fast falling after the fc nair is considerably faster than not.

 

[KAOSTAR]

How do you calculate the APM?

Do you use a tool or action replay or something?

Or is this simple watch a video with all the actions and take the match time and then do the math?


either way its very interesting information

 

[joeplicate]

otto I still want to see your luigi tornados

 

[Tee ay eye]

Measuring APM for Taj.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m9138477W8

I assumed that he used the C-stick for all aerials other than Nair, and judging by his momentum while executing these aerials I think that's a safe assumption.

Taj doesn't use the c-stick except for very few cases (I think it's for situational smash attacks).

One time, his c-stick got jammed and he didn't even notice until half an hour into playing.

 

[joeplicate]

well, i'm dumb otto, didn't read the last page

domination is definitely not legit, though; you can slide two fingers across A back and forth to get a ridiculously high score, plus it doesn't count other inputs (fastest way to make characters say their names, too )

show me some thundering dynamo and i'll be real impressed haha

 

[Silent Wolf]

is that a nickname you made up for a really good tornado?
but srsly wuzzat lulz

 

[ConnorTheKid]

thundering dynamo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz1CNjkfSts

 

[Silent Wolf]

that looks pretty gay, it doesnt even record the record for it.
i prefer triple jump

 

[Vegard]

just a question: how will the pause between when a person dies and the other guy waiting affect the APM?

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

I just count the seconds from when they die to when they make their first input and remove that from the overall time.

 

[Cactuar]

You can't fast fall a float that started on the ground.

Yeah, this isn't true RC.

The good peaches do ff that ridiculously small distance between ground float and the ground, and it makes a world of difference in speed.

 

[JFox]

I fast fall every single peach FC I do, without exception. Literally. This is the only way to do a perfect nair pillar (without using jabs) on a shield. But not that most peaches arent as concerned about tech skill, and so its possible that shinobi wasnt fast falling them, but then again we dont really know. I know a lot of peach's with good jab pillar that neglect the fast fall.


a good float canceled nair is the following actions-

Press and hold jump.
(while holding jump) Press down for float.
(while holding jump) Release down.
(while holding jump) Press and release A/Z for nair.
Release jump.
Press down for fastfall.


edit: oh and I guarantee that if you did one of these for Eggm's fox it would blow everyone else out of the water. I'm sure silent wolf would do the same.

 

[Phoenix~Lament]

I download the video off of youtube and slow it down to 1/4 the speed, and just watch the character.

 

[KAOSTAR]

I download the video off of youtube and slow it down to 1/4 the speed, and just watch the character.

oh yea, thats legit. Didnt think to slow it down.


Thanks

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

Zhu's APM​

Well since Zhu is probably my favorite Falco I decided to do the APM of his match vs M2K at Genesis. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Oe2JcBV-g

The match was 3:15 seconds long but I subtracted 4 seconds as those were the seconds that Zhu was dead and not able to make an input.

As always, I'm not perfect but I collected the data the best I could.

If you don't want to read the whole thing
total actions: 922

APM=291

Start of match 0:04

*note: For convenience sake, I don't write fast falled SHL I just write SHL because I assume Zhu didn't miss any of his fast falls on the neutral B.

dash left
dash right
short hop
fast fall
turn around
shield
SHL (3)
dash left
shield
SHL (3)
full hop right (2)
Neutral B
Platform Drop
Neutral B
SHL (3)
SHL (3)
SHL (3)
SHL (3)
Neutral B
dash left
DI Needles
shield
SHL (3)
turn around
turn around SHL right (5)
dash left
Shffl'd Uair (4)
Full hop
Shine (2)
double jump
Waveland down (2)
platform drop
turn around Neutral B (2)
fast fall
dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Uair (4)
short hop right (2)
Shine (2)
double jump
wave land down (2)
platform drop
dash left
shield
SHL (3)
SHL (3)
Shield
SHL right (4)
Shield
SHL (3)
dash left
JC grab (2)
Grab pummel
Dthrow
waveshine left (5)
dash left
full hop
shine (2)
double jump
wave land (2)
dash right
short hop
double jump
Dair
fast fall
L cancel
Utilt (2)
DI sheik's dthrow
Tech
DI sheik's downthrow
tech left (2)
shine (2)
double jump
Bair
air dodge left (2)
dash left
Shffl'd Uair (4)
full hop Bair right (3)
fast fall
dash right
SHL (3)
pivot ftilt (3)
dash right
SHL(3)
Short hop right (2)
Fast falled Dair (2)
L cancel
full hop left (2)
Fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
dash left
Neutral B
Fast fall
dash left
SHL (3)
turn around
short hop left (2)
ledge getup
dash right
short hop
shine (2)
double jump
waveland down (2)
full hop left (2)
double jump
Uair
full hop right (2)
Fast falled Dair (2)
L cancel
platform drop Dair (2)
L cancel
dash left
SHffl'd Nair (4)
Shine (2)
Short hop left (2)
fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel

Time of M2K's first death: 0:44
Total actions: 206

dash right
full hop
double jump
waveland right (2)
Dair
fast fall
L cancel
dash left
double jump
waveland right (2)
fast fall
dash left
short hop right (2)
double jump
waveland right (2)
fast fall
dash left
Shffl'd Nair (4)
Shine (2)
Shffl'd Nair (4)
Dash right
Turn around SHL (4)
Dash right
Turn around SHL (4)
Dash left
Shield
SHL (3)
turn around
dash right
dash left
Shffl'd Nair (4)
Shine (2)
Short hop right (2)
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
Shine (2)
Short hop right (2)
Fast falled Dair (2)
L cancel
waveshine left (5)
shine (2)
short hop right (2)
Fast falled Neutral B (2)
turn around
short hop right (2)
fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
dash left
SHL (3)
dash right
full hop
shine (2)
double jump
DI sheik's Nair
get up
DI sheik's Uair
DI sheik's Ftilt
ledge drop
Double jump
Side B (2)

1 Minute mark
Total actions: 307

dash left
Shield
SHL (3)
Dash left
JC grab (2)
DI sheik's Nair
tech right (2)
shield
SHL (3)
dash left
shield
wavedash right (3)
shield
SHL (3)
shine (2)
short hop
double jump left (2)
Fast falled Dair (2)
L cancel
dash left
fast falled Dair (2)
L cancel
waveshine left (5)
shine (2)
Shffl'd Nair (4)
dash right
dash attack
dash right
dash left
dash attack
utilt (2)
turn around
dash right
short hop
shine (2)
jab
shine (2)
double jump
fast fall Dair (2)
L cancel
utilt (2)
dash left
Full hop
Dair
Fast fall
L cancel
dash left
Bair
dash left
dash right
full hop
Bair
Dash right
turn around Neutral B (2)
platform drop lazer (2)
dash left
SHL (3)
DI Bair
double jump right (2)
Dair
fast fall
L cancel
Shield
full hop right (2)
fast fall
shine grab (4)
dash right
full hop double lazer (3)
ftilt (2)
platform drop lazer (2)
turn around waveshine (6)
ledgejump
fast fall
DI sheik's dash attack
DI sheik's fair
double jump right (2)
Up B right up diagonally (3)
fast fall
shield
roll right
dash left
dash attack
dash right
full hop Bair left (3)
fast fall
full hop
double jump
reverse neutral B (2)
neutral B
fast fall
neutral B
SHL (3)
SHL (3)
turn around
short hop left (2)
ledge drop
double jump
side B (2)
dash right
dash left
wavedash right (3)
dash left
SHL (3)
utilt (2)
Full hop right (2)
Fair
pointed shield down (2)
short hop right (2)
Bair
fast fall
DI sheik's dthrow
tech roll right (2)
shield
short hop right (2)
Dash right
dash left
shield
SHL (3)
dash right
JC grab (2)
fthrow
dash left
SHL (3)
turn around waveshine (6)
fast fall
short hop left (2)
Bair
Up B up (2)

Time of M2K's second death: 1:49
total actions: 513

ledge drop
double right (2)
wavedash right (3)
Full hop right (2)
double jump
waveland right (2)
short hop right (2)
fast fall
turn around
shield
SHL (3)
dash left
Shffl'd Nair (4)
Shine (2)
Short hop right (2)
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
Shine (2)
short hop
DI sheik's Nair

Time of Zhu's first death to his first input: 1:56-1:58
Total actions: 548

Neutral B
platform drop lazer (2)
dash right
full hop
double jump

2 minute mark
total actions: 554

neutral B
dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Uair (4)
turn around
Full left (2)
Bair
dash left
Turn around SHL (4)
Neutral B
dash right
Shield
SHL (3)
dash left
dash right
short hop
Shffl'd Nair (4)
turn around SHL (4)
SHL (3)
SHL left (4)
shield
SHL (3)
short left (2)
wavedash right (3)
dash left
short hop
DI sheik's Fair
jab
jab
dash left
dash right
turn around SHL right (5)
dash left
Shield
SHL (3)
Dash left
shield
SHL (3)
DI sheik's Fair
DI Sheik's Dthrow
roll left
shield roll right (2)
shield
short hop
DI sheik's Dsmash
tech
short hop left (2)
fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
Shield
Wavedash right (3)
dash left
Shffl'd Nair (4)
shine (2)
short hop
DI sheik's Bair
jab
dash left
Turn around SHL (4)
dash right
shield
SHL (3)
SHL right (4)
utilt (2)
short hop
shine (2)
double jump
waveland down (2)
dash left
double jump
DI sheik's Fair
short left
Fast fall Dair (2)
L cancel
dash right
dash left
shield
Full hop Nair right (3)
fast fall
dash right
dash left
DI sheik's Fair
dash left
dash attack
shield
short hop right (2)
fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
dash left
shield
short hop
shine (2)
Double jump right (2)
Bair
dash left
dash right
SHL (3)
turn around waveshine (6)
ledge drop
Up B
ledge drop
double jump left (2)
Dair
Fast fall
L cancel
short hop
shine (2)
double jump left (2)
Bair
walk left
DI sheik's Bair
double jump right (2)
DI needles
Up B (2)
DI sheik's Fair

Time of Zhu's second death to his first input: 2:38-2:40
total actions: 737

fast fall
Neutral B
turn around
platform drop
dash right
Shffl'd Bair (4)
dash left
dash right
dash attack
dash right
Shffl'd Uair (4)
dash right
Full hop
double jump left (2)
neutral B
turn around
short hop right (2)
double jump
DI sheik's Nair
dash left
Shffl'd Bair (4)
platform drop Bair (2)
L cancel
dash left
dash right
Shield
SHL (3)
dash left
turn around SHL (4)
Dash right
Shield
Short hop
SHL (3)
Shield
SHL (3)
SHL (3)
dash right
wavedash left (3)
SHL (3)
Shield SHL (3)
dash right
dash left
Shield
Short hop right (2)
dash left
dash right
wavedash left (3)
dash left
short hop right (2)
dash left
dash right
dash left
turn around SHL (4)
turn around
dash right
dash left
turn around SHL (4)
dash right
Shield
SHL (3)

3 minute mark
total actions: 840

dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
Shine (2)
Short hop left (2)
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
Fsmash
dash left
short hop
double jump
neutral B

Time of M2k's third death: 3:04
total actions: 858

dash left
double jump
airdodge right (2)
dash left
double jump
waveland left (2)
dash left
dash left
full hop right (2)
fast fall
dash right
full hop left (2)
shine (2)
double jump
fast fall
waveland right (2)
Turn around SHL (4)
Full hop right
Neutral B
Neutral B
platform drop neutral B (2)
SHL (3)
Dash right
dash left
short hop
DI sheik's jab
DI sheik's dthrow
getup
shine (2)
full hop right (2)
fast falled Dair (2)
L cancel
waveshine right (5)
full hop right (2)
Bair
wavedash right (3)
ledge drop
double jump
Dair
wavedash right (3)

End of Match: 3:19
total actions: 922

APM=291

As you can see it's much higher than his fox by around 70 actions per minute.

Yay teknical falco

 

[okiyama]

I know you only measure effective APM(as in, things that actually make a difference in game) but I know that when M2K is in hit lag, he'll spam the C-Stick to get out a smash as fast as he can. It would e interesting to record the controller and count from there the total APM, not just the effective APM.

 

[Strong Badam]

get out of a smash....? and hitlag is like 2-4 frames... how can he spam the c-stick unless it's like Zelda's fsmash or something?

 

[Silent Wolf]

get out a smash, as in after he gets hit he spams c stick to try to hit with one.

 

[Strong Badam]

well if he's in hitstun he's likely in the air, and he can't use a smash during hitlag because it's hitlag, and before you get hit by the knockback of a move <_<

 

[TheZhuKeeper]

get out a smash, as in after he gets hit he spams c stick to try to hit with one.

I love when people do that. It's easy to hear so you know it's coming.

=D

 

[betterthanbonds9]

who doesn't spam the controller during hitlag? <_<

somebody do this for eggz or raynex or silentwolf

then do one for Mango's puff

 

[Silent Wolf]

I love when people do that. It's easy to hear so you know it's coming.

=D

yeah can hear them press L or R if they try to roll from the ledge too lol