APM of Smashers. July Update - The Fastest Peach

[Strong Badam]

reaction time isn't a part of technical skill, it's a limitation to all humans. almost all pros have average reaction time.
no, it's not reasonable to expect sc players to play perfectly either, and if you had read my post you would have seen that I said that.

you may be limited by your APM, but some of us aren't. there aren't very many occasions where I would have done something different (within reason; obv. power/perfect shielding **** is stupid) had I been able to move my fingers quickly enough.

 

[joeplicate]

reaction and timing has absolutely nothing to do with APM, and the way it's calculated

I think zhu (m2k back in the day) is a player who is not limited by his tech skill, or his execution. jman too, it would seem.

this is also why I want to see this match http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXYHSuuwBkw calculated; I think jman is the epitome of 2009, fast, technical fox play. (if nobody else does, I might lol)

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

Cactuar's APM

Cactuar's APM​

So I decided to do Cactuar's APM because he is known for just doing what he needs to and making it work.

I used this match, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgWwkxwTf1o because it seems to exemplify what cactuar does, even if it is a bit old.

As for all the aerials, I assumed that he uses the C-stick and not the A button so that may lower his APM a tiny bit.

For DI I assumed he DI'd every hit but he was only hit a handful of times so it wouldn't affect his APM by much, even if he didn't DI them.

If you don't want to see all of the actions listed:
grand total: 610 actions
match time: 1 minutes 59 seconds

APM: 305

start 0:01

fast fall
full hop
wave land (2)
dash left
short hop
neutral B
short hop
wave land (2)
full hop
turn around neutral B (2)
short hop
neutral B
dash right
dash left
shield
short hop right (2)
fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
dash left
dash right
shffl'd Nair (4)
waveshine right(5)
short hop
turn around neutral B (2)
dash left
dash right
dash left
shffl'd Nair (4)
shine (2)
short hop
DI First hit of Falcon's Nair
spot dodge (2)
short hop left
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
turn around shine (3)
Dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
Waveshine right (5)
jab
short hop right (2)
fast falled nair (2)
L cancel
wave dash left (3)
dash right
shffl'd nair (4)
shield
wavedash left (3)
dash right
wave dash left (3)
dash right
dash left
Shffl'd Nair (4)
dash left
dash right
wavedash left (3)
short hop
fast fall
Usmash
wavedash left (3)
dash left
dash right
JC grab (2)
dash left
short hop
jab
dash left
dash right
wavedash down (3)
short hop right (2)
usmash
dash left
short hop
neutral B
fast fall
shine (2)
full hop Nair (2)
fast fall
L cancel
full hop Nair (2)
fast fall
L cancel
jab
short hop left (2)
fast falled nair (2)
L cancel
dash left
wave dash right (3)
dash left
DI Falcon's love tap knee
shine (2)
dash left
shine (2)
full hop
DI Falcon's Up B
walk left
full hop Bair right (3)
fast fall
L cancel
dash left
dash right
short hop
neutral B
fast fall
dash right
Full hop Nair (2)
L cancel
platform drop Bair (2)
L cancel
short hop left (2)
neutral B
fast fall
dash left
wave dash left (3)
dash left
dash right
short hop left (2)

time of Scar's first death: 0:34
total actions: 186

ledge drop
second jump right (2)
Dair
L cancel
dash right
dash left
dash right
dash left
dash right
dash left
dash right
shffl'd uair (4)
dash right
dash left
full hop right (2)
short hop left (2)
fast fall
wavedash down (3)
dash left
dash left
dash right
shffl'd nair (4)
dash right
dash left
shield
short hop left (2)
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
short hop
DI first hit of Falcon's nair
Di second hit of Falcon's nair
Get up
DI falcon's Dthrow
roll left
Shield roll left (2)
dash left
dash right
short hop right (2)
double jump
wave land left (2)
short hop right (2)
fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
short hop
Turn around neutral B (2)
fast fall
short hop left (2)
Full hop Nair left (3)
platform drop Bair (2)
L cancel
shine (2)
short hop right (2)
shield
DI Falcon's Uthrow
tech roll left (2)
spot dodge (2)
shine (2)
second jump
Up B down right (3)
shine (2)
second jump right (2)
short hop right (2)
waveland right (3)

Time of Scar's second death: 0:55
Total actions: 284

short hop right (2)
fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
dash right
dash left
short hop
fast fall
pivot (2)
wavedash left (3)
dash left
dash right
short hop
wave land left (2)
jump
double jump right (2)
air dodge down right (2)
shield
short hop
shffl'd Dair (4)
turn around waveshine left (6)

1 minute mark
Total actions: 320

short hop right (2)
fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
jump
double jump
fast fall
jab
shffl'd nair (4)
waveshine down (5)
full hop waveland down (3)
platform drop Bair (3)
jab
dash left
dash right
shffl'd nair (4)
jab
dash right
full hop nair (3)
jump
Shine (2)
second jump Nair left (3)
fast fall
L cancel
neutral B
short hop left (2)
fast fall
double jump left (2)
fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
short hop right (2)
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
full hop
waveland left (3)
dash right
dash left
Fast Falled Nair (2)
L cancel
dash left
short hop
turn around neutral B (2)
dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
Dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
walk right
wavedash down (3)
wave dash left (3)
wave dash right (3)
wavedash left (3)
dash right
wavedash left (3)
dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
shine (2)
Full hop Bair left (3)
L cancel
Walk right
turn around
Full hop right (2)

Time of Scar's third death: 1:22
Total actions: 437

ledge drop
double jump
Fast falled Dair (2)
L cancel
dash left
dash right
wavedash left (3)
short hop left (2)
full hop left (2)
fast fall
dash left
dash right
dash left
dash right
full hop Bair (2)
L cancel
dash right
dash left
short hop
waveland right (2)
dash right
dash left
shffl'd Nair (4)
turn around shine (3)
dash right
shield
short hop right (2)
fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
side step (2)
turn around
DI Falcon's Bair
double jump
side B (2)
ledge drop
double jump fast falled Nair left (4)
L cancel
Shine (2)
short hop
double jump left (2)
dash left
Fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
dash left
dash right
dash left
dash right
shffl'd Nair (4)
shine (2)
jump
double jump left (2)
fast fall
dash left
full hop nair (2)
fast fall
L cancel
Shffl'd Nair (4)
shine (2)
dash right
jump
double jump
Fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
Dash right
Shield
Shield roll right
Full hop Nair left (3)
fast fall
L cancel
dash left
shield
short hop
Shffl'd nair (4)
Short hop right (2)
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
Shine (2)
Shffl'd Nair (4)
dash left
wavedash right (3)
dash right
dash left
dash right
dash left
wavedash right (3)
short hop left (2)
Fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
short hop
turn around Neutral B (2)
dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
Shield
dash left
dash right
full hop Nair right (3)
Fast fall
L cancel
turn around
full hop left (2)
double jump Bair (2)
ledge drop
double jump left
Fast falled Dair (2)
L cancel
wavedash right (3)
ledge drop
double jump

End of Match 1:59
Total actions: 610

jumps: 81

wavedashes: 13

waveshines: 4

Wavelands: 8

dash: 103

L cancels: 32

Nairs: 39

Bairs: 13

Uairs: 1

Dairs: 4

Shield: 11

Shield rolls: 4

Spot dodges: 2

Air Dodges: 1

Grabs: 1

DI inputs: 8

Fast falls: 38

Up B: 1

Side B: 1

Neutral Bs: 11

Shines: 19

Techs: 1

Usmash: 2

Dsmash: 0

Fsmash: 0

Taunts: 0


Bear in mind that there are a few mistakes, I am human, but I put quite a lot of time into this.

I was surprised to find out his was so high. I used to think he would just kind of stay still but watching this match closely made me notice how much he dashes. A huge factor for why his APM is so high is because of how many dashes and wavedashes he does.

Although, for some of the dash dances, some of them may in fact have been pivots. I couldn't tell because the video quality isn't that great but it shouldn't matter because APM-wise, they're the same amount.

Apparently moving like a cactus is harder than it looks

 

[Strong Badam]

Cactuar's movement with Fox is just about the best ever. It's no surprise that his APM is so high. Though a match like him vs. Mango (fox vs. falcon) would be a better representation, it doesn't matter really. <33 Cactuar
and yes, a lot of the wavedashes he does while dashdancing are actually pivoted.

also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIziqK_FhXU&fmt=18
lol @ m2k smash DIing nearly every single one of Jiano's dairs.

 

[Wuss]

reaction time isn't a part of technical skill, it's a limitation to all humans. almost all pros have average reaction time.
no, it's not reasonable to expect sc players to play perfectly either, and if you had read my post you would have seen that I said that.

you may be limited by your APM, but some of us aren't. there aren't very many occasions where I would have done something different (within reason; obv. power/perfect shielding **** is stupid) had I been able to move my fingers quickly enough.

First off, I fundamentally disagree with the statement that reaction time isn't part of technical skill. Obviously it has nothing to do with APM, but that doesn't mean it isn't a factor into how technical you are. For instance, ledge teching is considered a very technical feat, and yet it is often based on reaction time.

I guess I see the flaw in my logic now, because I'm not limited by my APM per say, but by other factors such as reaction time. I just think that since neither game can be played technically perfect (if you consider reaction time and the things I mentioned part of technical skill. think perfect control), the comparison is viable.

 

[RockCrock]

Nice job, stabbedbyanipple. Believe it or not, your results almost exactly match an earlier contribution from Phoenix~Lament, who tracked Axe's Fox. The matches are incredibly similar; they both feature a Fox player taking minimal damage and four stocking their opponent. This was my response to his contribution:

Wow, 300 is very impressive. The fact that Axe rarely got hit probably has a large impact on his APM. The match was so one-sided, that Axe never really had to slow down from taking damage. Axe's opponent didn't have a single succesful combo, which would take a big chunck out of Axe's APM. That being said, I would be very surprised if Axe could reach a similar APM vs. if he were facing a player of equal abilities.

Also, Axe had a couple low percent kills, causing the match to be very breif. If Axe didn't get those quick kills, what is the likelihood that his APM would be the same? Do you think he could maintain the same rate of actions over a greater period of time? Dealing more percent requires more inputs, and extends the duration of the match. If you look at Axe's first kill, he did 71% to gg7, and killed him just 13 seconds after the match had started. In those 13 seconds Axe had 46 inputs. So if you calculate the APM up until the time of Axe's first kill, the result is 212 APM. For Axe's second kill, he only did 27% damage to gg7 in 11 seconds. And 73 inputs during those 11 seconds. Axe's APM for his second kill is almost twice that of his previous; a blistering 398 APM. The fact that Axe was able to pull off multiple low percent kills leads me to believe that this match is probably not a good predictor of a sustainable and accurate APM.

Axe's APM in this match is most likely a statistical outlier because of the match's one-sidedness and the spikes in APM due to quick, low-percent kills. If paired with a tougher opponent, I would expect Axe's APM to be lower than 300.

Your addition helps us find a more accurate estimate of a player's "max potential APM," which appears to be around 300. If you would tabulate a match of Cactuar's that was more even, it would give us better insight about a stable, reasonable APM. Good job nonetheless.

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

Hmm, if I have nothing to do tomorrow I might do another one of Cactuar's matches that's more close than that. Probably something form Genesis if I can find a good quality vid of him. It was actually quite fun to do because I got to learn more about Cactuar's style which I find to be incredible. =O

Analyzing the match made me realize just how important movement is and made me see things I never saw just looking at the surface of the video.

Although i think there is a bit of a difference from Cactuar's match and Axe's match. While Cactuar obtained most of his APM via moving around the stage and setting up his nairs/bairs, Axe got a high APM through mostly attacking.

Not sure what it means as a whole but it sure is interesting.

 

[Alphicans]

I think it would be better to do these based off of close matches, not super one-sided matches.

 

[Cactuar]

I do a lot of dash->pivot->wavedashes because of my background as a Marth player and the importance of facing your opponent with Marth. It would let me run away while limiting the amount of time I have my back turned towards them.

Anywho, I hope you learned a bit about my movement and that it improves your gameplay. Thanks for taking the time to do that write-up. It's interesting to see the numbers on my attacks.

 

[choknater]

hm i just realized that recovery would probably reduce a person's apm by a lot. so a match where someone is dominating probably means they will have much higher apm

 

[Cactuar]

Ideally, something like this would be calculated using a large number of matches, but the amount of time it takes to do each match restricts us from doing that.

 

[Jihnsius]

hm i just realized that recovery would probably reduce a person's apm by a lot. so a match where someone is dominating probably means they will have much higher apm

You would think that, but what can the person edgeguarding do that'll raise APM so much higher than the person recovering? Very little.

 

[Alphicans]

^ What? Like that has nothing to do with what choknater said, and his statement is nothing less than the truth. A match with a very definite skill difference that allows one player to constantly dominate will raise their apm a lot, like I am talking at least a 50 apm difference.

 

[Jihnsius]

^ What? Like that has nothing to do with what choknater said, and his statement is nothing less than the truth. A match with a very definite skill difference that allows one player to constantly dominate will raise their apm a lot, like I am talking at least a 50 apm difference.

I was commenting on the recovery bit, not the skill difference bit.

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

Cactuar's APM 2​

Since I did a match where cactuar was ****** I wasn't sure if he could put out APM like in a even match so I decided to do him vs Mango 2 (for a shot of mango rum). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faEeSxyQyok

It was a lot easier this time because I downloaded the video and slowed it down to 1/4 speed to make sure I saw every action clearly.

Also, even though the match lasted 3:57, I subtracted 5 seconds because those were the 5 seconds from Cactuar's deaths to the time where he could make another input.

If you don't want to read everything

Total actions: 1051
Match length: 3:52

APM = 270

Match starts 0:00

DI first hit of Falcon's Nair
DI second hit of Falcon's Nair
Walk right
dash right
Full hop
Shield roll left (2)
Move shield downwards
full hop left (2)
Fast fall Bair (2)
L cancel
walk right
DI second hit of Falcon's Nair
Shield
move shield left
Shield Grab
Back throw
dash left
dash right
wavedash left (3)
dash left
dash right
Short hop Nair (2)
DI Falcon's first hit nair
waveshine right (5)
dash right
dash left
shffl'd Nair (4)
shine (2)
turn around in shine
turn around in shine
dash right
shield
wavedash left (3)
DI Falcon's jab
Shield
Shield Grab
Uthrow
Dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
grab
uthrow
dash right
dash left
Waveshine left (5)
dash left
JC grab (2)
Uthrow
Full hop dair (2)
L cancel
turn around
Grab
Uthrow
Short hop Nair right (3)
L cancel
turn around grab (2)
DI falcon's Dair
Get up
Shield
DI falcon's Up B
get up
dash left
full hop left (2)
fast fall
double jump left (2)
fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
side step (2)
DI falcon's Dair
DI falcon's Side B
DI falcon's Uair
tech roll right (2)
walk right
full hop Bair left (3)
L cancel
walk right
dash left
full hop right (2)
Fair
DI falcon's second hit Nair
airdodge left (2)
dash left
wavedash right (3)
charged Fsmash (2)
shield
wavedash right (3)
Full hop Fair right (3)
fast fall
L cancel
shield roll left (2)
dash right
dash attack
wavedash left (3)
usmash
fsmash
DI Falcon's Uthrow
roll left
DI Falcon's Uair
DI Falcon's Knee

Time of Cactuar's first death: 44; doesn't make another input until 46
Total actions: 146

double jump
fast fall
neutral B
dash left
dash right
shffl'd Nair (4)
Full hop Bair left (3)
fast fall
dash right
wavedash left (3)
Short hop right (2)
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
Short hop Bair left (3)
Fast fall
L cancel
dash left
short hop double lazer (3)
dash left
dash right
wavedash right (3)
dash right
dash left
dash right
dash left
Shffl'd Nair (4)
short hop right (2)
DI Falcon's back air
Shield
Full hop
waveland (2)
shield
move shield right
full hop right
DI falcon's Uair
Full hop right (2)
Fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
DI first hit nair
DI second hit nair
get up
Roll right
jab
Short hop Bair right (3)
fast fall
L cancel

1:00 minute mark
Total actions: 216

pivot (2)
dash right
dash left
shffl'd nair (4)
dash left
wavedash right (3)
pivot (2)
full hop left (2)
double jump
Bair
dash right
shffl'd Dair (4)
short hop right (2)
fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
dash right
dash left
wavedash left (3)
walk left
turn around
full hop left (2)
ledge drop
double jump right (2)
Fast falled Dair (2)
L cancel
waveshine right (5)
usmash
Dash right
Shffl'd Dair (4)
dash right
Dash left
Shffl'd Uair (4)
dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
Dash right
Dash left

Time of Mango's First death: 1:11
Total actions: 284

Shffl'd Nair (4)
Dash left
Dash right
Shffl'd Bair (4)
dash left
wave dash left (3)
dash left
dash right
full hop
second jump
waveland left (2)
dash right
dash left
fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
dash left
dash right
dash left
turn around
dash right
shield
wavedash right (3)
dash right
dash left
dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Dair (4)
turn around waveshine left (6)
Shffl'd Dair (4)
turn around waveshine right (6)
Shffl'd Dair (4)
wave dash right (3)
dash right
dash left
dash attack
DI Falcon's Dair
tech roll left (2)
dash right
Shffl'd Dair (4)
Waveshine right (5)
Dsmash
turn around
wavedash left (3)
dash right
Shine (2)
double jump left (2)
turn around
Shffl'd Uair (4)
Short hop left (2)
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
Short hop left (2)
Fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel

Time of Mango's second death: 1:27
Total actions: 390

dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Dair (4)
dash right
dash left
short hop
fast fall
dash left
wavedash left (3)
shield roll right (2)
shield roll left (2)
dash left
dash right
shield
full hop right (2)
pivot (2)
shield
spotdoge
shield roll left (2)
dash left
dash right
full hop right (2)
fast fall Dair (2)
L cancel
shield
wavedash left (3)
waveshine left (5)
dash left
dash attack
shield
Shffl'd Bair (4)
Shine (2)
Short hop
DI first hit Nair
DI second hit Nair
tech roll left (2)
short hop right (2)
Fast falled Dair (2)
L cancel
wavedash right (3)
short hop left (2)
DI falcons Dair
tech
DI falcons Uthrow
get up
shield
point shield downward
shield roll right
shield
point shield right
shield
Full hop Bair (2)
dash left
shield
wavedash left (3)
Dash left
dash right
shield
wavedash left (3)
dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
Short hop right (2)
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
turn around waveshine left (6)
Jab
shield
short hop forward (2)
DI first hit nair
DI second hit Nair
double jump
Up B left up (3)
shield
full hop left (2)
second jump
waveland (2)
full hop right (2)
fast fall
waveland right (2)
shield
wavedash right (3)
dash left
shield
Shffl'd Bair (4)
spot dodge (2)
turn around waveshine right (6)
Shffl'd Nair (4)

2 minute mark
Total actions: 543

Shine (2)
short hop
shield
full hop left (2)
fast fall
DI Falcon's Uair
double jump right (2)
Side B (2)
ledge drop
double jump
ledge drop
double jump
waveland (2)
shield
short hop left (2)
fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
dash right
pivot (2)
dash attack
dash left
wavedash right (3)
charged Fsmash (2)
turn around
shield
short hop right (2)
fast fall
Bair
L cancel
shield roll right (2)
shield
full hop right (2)
double jump
fast fall
waveland right (2)
Shield
DI second hit of falcon's Nair
double jump
Up B left up diagonally (3)

Time of Cactuar's second death: 2:16; doesn't make another input until 2:17
Total actions: 601

fast fall
full hop
second jump left (2)
fast fall
jab
short hop right (2)
fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
shield
Shffl'd Bair (4)
dash right
wavedash left (3)
short hop right (2)
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
shine (2)
Full hop Nair (2)
L cancel
full hop left (2)
Fast Falled Bair (2)
L cancel
dash left
turn around
Wavedash right (3)
turn around
wavedash right (3)
full hop right (2)
ledge drop
double jump left (2)
dash left
Full hop right (2)
Bair
fast fall
DI falcon's Uair
Shield roll left (2)
dash attack right (2)
shield roll left (2)
dash left
turn around
shield
turn around wavedash (4)
Usmash
Shield
point shield left
Full hop right (2)
Fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
shield
Wavedash right (3)
turn around
dash right
wavedash right (3)
turn around
full hop right (2)
ledge drop
double jump left (2)
fast falled Uair (2)
L cancel
dash left
wavedash left (3)
dash left
dash right
short hop right (2)
waveland left (2)
Fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
dash right
dash left
wavedash left (3)
dash left
dash right
wavedash left (3)
dash right
dash left
Shffl'd Nair (4)
shine (2)
Full hop Nair (2)
Fast fall
L Cancel
wavedash right (3)
turn around
full hop left (2)
ledge drop
double jump right (2)
waveland right (2)
shield
full hop left (2)
Fast Fall Nair (2)
DI falcon's get up attack
get up
DI falcon's Uthrow
dash left
dash right
shield
full hop right (2)
second jump
fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
shield roll left (2)
dash left
dash right
shield
short hop right (2)
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
dash left
full hop double lazer (3)
turn around
wavedash left (3)
full hop left (2)
ledge get up
jab
short hop right (2)
double jump
fast fall
Bair
L cancel
wave dash left (3)
shield
shffl'd Bair (4)

Time of Mango's third death: 2:58
Total Actions: 795

Shffl'd Uair (4)
Dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
dash right
Shffl'd Bair (4)
dash left
wavedash left (3)
dash left
dash right
wavedash right (3)
dash left
DI falcon's Dthrow
tech roll left (2)
DI falcon's Fthrow
get up
shield
full hop right (2)
fast falled Dair (2)
L cancel
Shine (2)
short hop
DI falcon's first hit nair
DI falcon's second hit nair
roll left
spot dodge (2)
dash left
dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
Shield
wavedash left (3)
Shield
short hop
DI falcon's Uair
tech roll left (2)
shield roll right (2)
dash left
JC grab (2)
Fthrow
dash right
dash left
JC grab (2)
dash right
wavedash right (3)
dash left
shield
Shffl'd Nair (4)
waveshine left (5)
full hop right (2)
Fast fall Bair (2)
L cancel
shield
wavedash right (3)
waveshine right (5)
dash attack left (2)
shield roll left (2)
jab
short hop right (2)
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
waveshine left (5)
pivot (2)
wavedash right (3)
turn around
dash left
dash right
dash attack
shield
short hop left (2)
waveland left (2)
Full hop Bair left (3)
L cancel
dash left
dash left
dash right
wavedash left (3)
dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
waveshine left (5)
dash left
shffl'd nair (4)
short hop right (2)
double jump Nair (2)
fast fall
L cancel
waveshine left (5)
dash left
dash right
dash left
dash right
shield roll left (2)
shield
shield grab
uthrow
utilt (2)
full hop
double jump
Dair
L cancel
Shine (2)
short hop
turn around
short hop left (2)
fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
shield roll left (2)
shield
wavedash right (3)
grab
uthrow
turn around
dash right
dash left
short hop
DI Falcon's bair
get up
shield roll left (2)
DI falcon's Uthrow
get up
DI falcon's Uair
shine (2)
double jump left (2)
side B (2)
DI falcon's Bair

Time of Cactuar's third death: 3:46-3:48
Total actions: 1011

fast fall
jab
short hop right (2)
fast fall nair (2)
l cancel
Dash left
wavedash left (3)
turn around
full hop left (2)
ledge drop
double right (2)
fast fall Dair (2)
L cancel
waveshine right (5)
usmash
dash right
shffl'd nair (4)
wave dash right (3)
dash right
dash left
shffl'd nair (4)

Mango's fourth death/end of match: 3:57
Total actions: 1051

Full hop: 39

Short hops: 77

double jump: 22

nair: 45

Dair: 18

fair: 2

uair: 11

bair: 31

shine: 27

wavedash: 42

dash: 134

L cancel: 40

shield: 68

techs: 6

shield roll: 15

jab: 7

usmash: 4

dsmash: 1

fsmash: 3

Up B: 3

Side B: 3

Neutral B: 5

Uthrow: 10

Fthrow: 2

taunts: 0

Even though Mango is better than scar and the match was very even, Cactuar's APM didn't drop by as many as I thought it would.

Although in the match it's self there is sort of an outlier that helped Cactus out. From Mango's first death to his second (16 second long interval) Cactuar made 106 inputs.

What really made his APM rise was the reverse waveshines and Shffl'd Dairs. He did like 3 in a row which is 30 inputs by its self.

Maybe one day I'll learn how to move around like that.

 

[Strong Badam]

First off, I fundamentally disagree with the statement that reaction time isn't part of technical skill. Obviously it has nothing to do with APM, but that doesn't mean it isn't a factor into how technical you are. For instance, ledge teching is considered a very technical feat, and yet it is often based on reaction time.

I guess I see the flaw in my logic now, because I'm not limited by my APM per say, but by other factors such as reaction time. I just think that since neither game can be played technically perfect (if you consider reaction time and the things I mentioned part of technical skill. think perfect control), the comparison is viable.

ledge-teching isn't based on reaction; you ASDI as you're going towards the ledge and hit R a bit before you reach the ledge. if you were hit, you ledge-tech if possible. if not, you recover successfully. gj.

 

[JPOBS]

It's interesting to see the numbers on my attacks.

Nairs: 39

Bairs: 13

Uairs: 1

Dairs: 4

i lol's so hard

 

[RaynEX]

So.many.nairs.

 

[TP]

also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIziqK_FhXU&fmt=18
lol @ m2k smash DIing nearly every single one of Jiano's dairs.

OMG somebody needs to do that match lol.

 

[Johnknight1]

Nairs: 39

Bairs: 13

Uairs: 1

Dairs: 4

i lol's so hard

Needs MROE nAirs...

 

[RockCrock]

Holy ****, Stabbed, that's awesome! Your attention to detail is remarkable, and over such a long match too! I'm ecstatic. The results are just as amazing too! I would have never guessed an APM of this calibur could be achieved in an even match. Beyond fantastic job. Thanks so much.


Could Cactuar be the most techincal smasher alive? Keep the data coming.


Statistical Summary:

Fox: Four Entries. Average APM - 275*
A. Cactuar - 305*
B. Axe - 301*
C. Cactuar - 270
D. Zhu - 224

Falco: One Entry. Average APM - 228
A. DaShizWiz - 228

Peach: One Entry. Average APM - 214
A. Pink Shinobi - 214

Falcon: Two Entries. Average APM - 200
A. Darkrain - 214
B. Isai - 185

Marth: One Entry. Average APM - 166
A. Ken - 166

* denotes potential outlier

Total Entries - 9
Average APM - 234

 

[Dark Hart]

I WANNA MAKE A VERY LARGE NOTE FOR THIS THREAD:

IF YOU ALL DECIDE TO DO THIS WITH DR. PEEPEE, I WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT HE DOESN'T USE THE C-STICK AT ALL!!!!!!!!


cle

 

[choknater]

you guys should do a silent wolf match the best one you can find

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

I was going to do silent wolf but I couldn't find anything recent with his fox.

Other than the tourneyplay 2 videos and those are baaaaaad quality cuz of the livestream.

 

[Strong Badam]

i think it'd be pretty obvious to do m2k then. :/

 

[RaynEX]

M2k doesn't techskill spam. He is just super precise and robotic with everything he does. I think he'd actually have a low or average APM simply because of how on point he is with everything he does. From edge-guarding to death combos.

 

[Strong Badam]

he does do a lot of stuff in between stocks, and his movement is pretty good (kinda like cactuar's).

 

[EmuKiller]

looks like a pretty good tier list

 

[Cactuar]

Lolol. I feel like I spend most of my time playing standing still...

 

[kirbstir]

You guys have too much time on your hands

 

[Doctor X]

One thing I learned that's important to note...

When calculating APM in starcraft, an "action" is a single command issued to the game which usually includes more than one mouse click or key press. Building a supply depot, for example, includes three: B, S, click. Plus as previously mentioned it doesn't take into account mouse movements.

While the way you're calculating APM is perfectly valid, it isn't really great for comparisons with Starcraft.

 

[Silent Wolf]

do this with a video where someone is actually trying to do as many actions as they can, or at least focusing on actions alone and not winning.

edit: i can press a 16 times in a second, apm = 960, i win

 

[S.G.]

I would ask for someone to do an APM counter of Chu/Wobbles if they weren't wobbling
but then i'd realise that no one would really know wtf is going on

 

[ETWIST51294]

do this with a video where someone is actually trying to do as many actions as they can, or at least focusing on actions alone and not winning.

edit: i can press a 16 times in a second, apm = 960, i win

0_0 what? 16 times per second?!

 

[victra♥]

do this with a video where someone is actually trying to do as many actions as they can, or at least focusing on actions alone and not winning.

edit: i can press a 16 times in a second, apm = 960, i win

wat.

lol make a vid for some of us to work with. 0:

 

[joeplicate]

show me those luigi tornados, otto, and then I'll believe you

 

[Strong Badam]

i gain height when I luigi tornado

 

[Silent Wolf]

I have to get into a special position on the ground >_>
So I can't really use it reliably for tornados and such, I pretty much stick to Mario Party for that deal. That's how I found out. On MP4, Domination, you have 10 seconds to press A as much as you can, i got 159, so theoretically 15.9 inputs per second, with the max being 160 lol. I'll just tie the WR and post a vid, :o
Now my A buttons way loose bro

 

[Anth0ny]

I have to get into a special position on the ground >_>
So I can't really use it reliably for tornados and such, I pretty much stick to Mario Party for that deal. That's how I found out. On MP4, Domination, you have 10 seconds to press A as much as you can, i got 159, so theoretically 15.9 inputs per second, with the max being 160 lol. I'll just tie the WR and post a vid, :o
Now my A buttons way loose bro

I can press 'A' 16 times in 1 second

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

Silent Wolf's APM (er sorta.... lol)

I decided to go out on a limb and do the APM of this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyVLKgr3BEQ

It's not an actual match but I did it anyway to see just how high Silent Wolf's APM was in conditions where he was the most technical.

He doesn't get hit or die at all in this video.

I've divided it into clips and since the clip changes in the middle of a second I included the frames. It's out of 30 frames not 60.

This was merely out of curiosity and shouldn't be considered a legit analysis of Silent Wolf's APM.

Clip 1 vs Falcon (Pokemon Stadium)

Start: 0:00

Tech
waveshine right (5)
jab
wavedash right (3)
short hop right (2)
shine (2)
second jump
waveland right (2)
fast falled Dair (2)
L cancel
turn around wavshine right (6)
fast fall
shine (2)
second jump
Up B
ledge roll
dash left

End of clip: 5;19
actions in clip: 33
total actions: 33

Clip 2 vs Falcon (Final Destination)

start: 5;20

jab
grab
uthrow
waveshine left (5)
dash right
full hop nair (2)
fast fall
L cancel
turn around
jab
short hop left (2)
fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
dash left
waveshine right (5)
dash left
JC grab (2)
uthrow
waveshine right (5)
dash left
short hop
turn around shine (3)
double jump right (2)
walk right
wavedash left (3)
ledge drop
shine (2)
double jump right (2)
uair

End of clip: 15;17
actions in clip: 52
total actions: 85

clip 3: vs Falcon (battlefield)

start: 15;18

dash right
shffl'd Nair (4)
dtilt (2)
Shffl'd Nair (4)
dash right
turn around shine
double jump Bair left (3)
L cancel
wavedash right (3)
ledge drop
double jump left (2)
turn around Neutral B (2)
turn around waveshine right (6)
ledge drop
shine (2)
double jump Dair (2)
L cancel

End of clip: 21;17
actions in clip: 38
total actions: 118

Clip 4: vs Falcon (Pokemon stadium)

Start of clip: 21;18

Short hop right (2)
Fast falled Dair (2)
L cancel
Utilt
pivot jab (3)
short hop left (2)
fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
pivot jab (3)
short hop right (2)
fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
dash left
wavedash down (3)
grab
dash right
short hop
shine (2)
waveland down (2)
jab
turn around utilt (3)
short hop right (2)
fast fall bair (2)
L cancel

End of clip: 28;23
Actions in clip: 42
Total actions: 160

clip 5: Vs Falcon (Pokemon Stadium)

Start of clip: 28;24

dash left
Shffl'd Nair (4)
turn around Utilt (3)
jab
waveshine right (5)
jab
dash right
JC grab (2)
fthrow
turn around
short hop
double jump left (2)
waveshine right (5)
Waveshine down (5)
dash left
dash right
short hop
turn around shine (3)
short hop left (2)
dsmash
waveshine right (5)
ledge drop
double jump Nair left (3)
fast fall
L cancel
short hop right (2)
ledge drop
shine (2)
double jump Dair (2)
L cancel
Full hop left (2)
Fast falle Dair (2)
turn around neutral B (2)
turn around
jab

End of Clip: 41;18
Actions in this clip: 69
Total actions: 229

clip 6: vs falcon (pokemon stadium)

dash left
fast fall Bair (2)
L cancel
short hop right (2)
fast fall Bair (2)
L cancel
dash left
dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
turn around waveshine left (6)
jab
waveshine left (5)
jab
dash left
JC grab (2)
dash right
full hop Dair (2)
L cancel
dash left
Shffl'd Nair (4)
dash left
Full hop Bair (2)
fast fall
waveshine right (5)
short hop left (2)
Fast falled Nair (2)
L cancel
dash left
turn around shine (3)
Up B
ledge drop
double jump right (2)
short hop left (2)
fast fall
wavedash right (3)
dash right
dash left
shffl'd Nair (4)
waveshine right (5)
dash left
short hop
turn around shine (3)
short hop
fast falled Bair (2)
L cancel
wavedash left (3)

end of clip: 57;02
actions in clip: 91
total actions: 320

Clip 7: vs Marth (Pokemon stadium)

start of clip: 57;04

walk right
waveshine right (5)
dash right
JC grab (2)
uthrow
full hop
shine (2)
double jump dair (2)
fast fall
utilt (2)
full hop uair (2)
fast fall
dash left
dash right
JC grab (2)
uthrow
full hop uair (2)
fast fall
wavedash left (3)
dash left

End of clip: 1:03;24
Actions in clip: 33
Total actions: 353

Clip 8: Vs Captain Falcon (Yoshi's story)

Start: 1:03;25

short hop left (2)
Fast fall Dair (2)
L cancel
turn around waveshine right (6)
dash right
short hop
shine (2)
second jump right (2)
waveland right (2)
fast fall dair (2)
L cancel
waveshine right (5)
Dsmash
turn around
short hop left (2)

End of clip: 1:07;17
Actions in clip: 31
total actions: 384

Clip 9: Vs Falcon (Final destination)

Start: 1:07;18

dash left
Full hopped Nair (2)
fast fall
L cancel
dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
turn around waveshine left (6)
jab
dash left
JC grab (2)
uthrow
waveshine left (5)
short hop left (2)
fast fall nair (2)
L cancel
jab
waveshine right (5)
turn around waveshine right (6)
jab
dash right
JC grab (2)
uthrow
dash left
waveshine left (5)
jab
uthrow
dash right
Shffl'd Nair (4)
dash right
turn around shine (3)
wavedash left (3)
short hop left (2)
fast fall Dair (2)
L cancel
waveshine left (5)
usmash
SHDL (3)
turn around waveshine left (6)
waveshine left (5)
turn around waveshine left (6)
turn around waveshine right (6)
waveshine right (5)
turn around waveshine right (6)
turn around shine (3)

End of clip: 1:22;14
Actions in clip: 114
Total actions: 498

Length of video: 1:22

APM=374