Any Smokers Sick of Being Lectured?

[curiousthoughtsbear]

My statements are air-tight !!!!



Here's one that's not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Smokings is horrible. It's horrible like when you see a really hot girl and then she lights up and you just start thinking about how it would be her kissing and sucking you. ****ing "ashtrays."

 

[Xsyven]

Yeah X I expected much better of you. I smoke daily, and have never come within fifty feet of people who didn't fit into one of these groups:

-Other smokers

-Friends that genuinely don't mind

-Bystanders who had a thousand other directions in which to walk without losing any time and still avoid me by a wide margin -- I guess they don't mind either.

I'm totally fine with that. As long as you're at least making an effort to keep the smoke away from people. My childish rage came from when Hizkit said "I blow smoke in their face. Cry." Blatant disrespect to total strangers is disgusting, especially when it's a habit that smells bad to most people. I just think that public smoking is impolite. Just as it's impolite to breathe your own breath into people's faces.

You're being completely immature, especially when you're a loud and proud alcoholic. Well, so am I, and I think it's utter BS that one of my health vices makes me the center of a party and the other makes me an outcast that has to slink off to the shadows to avoid people like you.

Consider that hypocrisy for a moment, if your vendetta is mild enough to consider an oppositional opinion, that is.

I don't think I've mentioned health risks once, other than when I asked for better examples to prove smoking's cleanliness. And that was in between the lines. Honestly, I'm just against the smell. That's it. If cigarettes smelled like incense, I'd be all for smoking. Hell, I'll even smoke huka if there's one around, and it's not a gross flavor.

Xsyven: for the love of God quit complaining. Your argument comes down to "I can't stand the smell". Well, the fact is that not everyone hates the smell; in fact there are a lot of people that like it. If some one wore cologne that you didn't like would you claim they need to be fined a ticket? No. It's the same thing. I for one do not like the smell of tobacco, but I realize people have the right to smoke and as such I typically stay out of bars and parties where people smoke all the time. And if you're saying that they make the outdoors smell too then you are just using your delusion.

I live in an extremely small, religious town. I think I see about two or less lit cigarettes every week. I'm guessing that since so few people do it here, that it's a lot more offensive to me when I actually see it happen, since its such a rare occurance. I'm guessing if I saw it happen a lot more, I wouldn't mind as much.

And yeah, of course if some guy was going around spraying his cologne on me, I'd hate the guy. I buck up if I go into casinos, and stuff. If I enter a bar, I'll tolerate it. It's public smokers that just don't have respect that bug me, which is what Hizkit got me all worked up about-- and I really don't think that disrespectul smokers have any excuse. People will hate you if you make them smell bad. It's not a crazy concept.


Bleh. I tend to get worked up to easily. My first post was even supposed to be funny. =/

 

[Zero Beat]

I don't smoke.

With that in mind, the thing I hate about smoking, is the inconsiderate group of *******s who smoke, knowing people are being directly affected by it. I really can't stand that.

Other than that, I don't care if you smoke. Can't tell you "well you know that's bad for you," because simply put, the smoker already knows that, and in their mind, they're thinking, "**** off."

I enjoy the idea of potentially living longer and healthier.

 

[notftomearth7]

...Usually those who do the lecturing are the loved ones of smokers, so it's all in good nature. WHY DONT YOU LISTEN!

 

[Livvers]

...Usually those who do the lecturing are the loved ones of smokers, so it's all in good nature. WHY DONT YOU LISTEN!

Lol, I can't tell if this is a mock of not. OH GOD I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RESPOND!!!!111 D=

(no, I'm not mocking you. I enjoy making fun of myself =< )

 

[M.K]

Don't smoke around me. I mean, go ahead and shorten your own lifespan because you are "hardcore", "relaxed", "whatever", but don't spread your crap to me. My friend's uncle and father smoke, and she always said that if she develops lung cancer from second-hand smoke, she will murder them for real. If she's going down, she's taking them with her. Smoking is a disgusting habit, but I don't give a **** what you do with your life, just don't interfere with mine.

 

[derek.haines]

Don't smoke around me. I mean, go ahead and shorten your own lifespan because you are "hardcore", "relaxed", "whatever", but don't spread your crap to me. My friend's uncle and father smoke, and she always said that if she develops lung cancer from second-hand smoke, she will murder them for real. If she's going down, she's taking them with her. Smoking is a disgusting habit, but I don't give a **** what you do with your life, just don't interfere with mine.

Do you realize the actual odds of developing lung cancer, even as an extremely heavy smoker? If you are a HEAVY SMOKER (1 - 2 packs/Day) your lifetime odds of developing lung cancer stand at around 13%. Easily cut that in half (conservatively) for long-term second-hand exposure to smoke.

The United Nations singled out tobacco as a scapegoat for the media to focus on during the 1980s, most likely to draw attention away from the emergence of AIDS, and the US in particular has taken up the battlecry. Since then it's taken root in our society that if you smoke you're somehow a bad person, when in reality the rest of world has much more liberal views about tobacco use. I personally enjoy the freedom to make the choice about wether or not I smoke, rather than having Anti-Tobacco groups and soccer moms make it for me.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is the definition of Liberty.

 

[JFox]

Do you realize the actual odds of developing lung cancer, even as an extremely heavy smoker? If you are a HEAVY SMOKER (1 - 2 packs/Day) your lifetime odds of developing lung cancer stand at around 13%. Easily cut that in half (conservatively) for long-term second-hand exposure to smoke.

(Yes, I'm that guy whos gonna question all of your "facts". Thats cuz too many times people will just throw out BS and people eat it up)

It was a good post, but those statistics sound like they are made up. Any proof of that?

 

[HAT]

i personally think that, because smoking is unhealthy for you, i am fully in the right to tell you to stop, simply because the smoke annoys me.

i believe, also, that when i venture into a populated region, it's simply bull**** that i have to deal with **** that i don't like. i mean hell, why can't you just cater to me?



just because you're a minority, being a non-smoker, doesn't mean america gets to bend over to your every whim. second-hand smoke is a joke, the health risks are obviously quite clear to smokers, and going through some utopian bull**** where smokers shouldn't smoke for the benefit of society is the most ludicrous argument on this thread.

i'm going to go on ahead and declare that everyone in support of the banning of public smoking should be shot for the betterment of my new, gleaming, not-smoke-free orwellian society.

go **** yourselves.

this is america, i can set my own **** on fire, and then inhale it. wanna press charges?

 

[Sporkman]

this is america

Says it all.

And tbh, I could press charges and win. It is America after all.

 

[JFox]

Sporkman, what do you know, you live on Ping Island.

Hat your post was funny/confusing. I was like "WTF no way is HAT gonna disagree with me on...oh wait, there we go"

 

[Livvers]

Do you realize the actual odds of developing lung cancer, even as an extremely heavy smoker? If you are a HEAVY SMOKER (1 - 2 packs/Day) your lifetime odds of developing lung cancer stand at around 13%. Easily cut that in half (conservatively) for long-term second-hand exposure to smoke.

I didn't want to bring up the health issues, but whatever. Also, I'm not directing this at anyone but the guy I quoted. I just hate when someone comes around claiming that the risks of smoking are tiny for heavy smokers.

Whether that risk is accurate or not, low risks are still risks, and considering how painful the problems you can have from smoking are(not to mention how depressing it is for family members), I don't think it'd really be worth it. Aside from lung cancer, there are loads of other risks to worry about, too. It's pretty unfair to post ONE risk and go,"Hey! Look! It's not that bad!" I've known three people(actually known, not just heard about or was a friend of a friend)who have had serious side effects of smoking(possibly four, but the fourth one has other health problems that could have contributed, so I'll leave him out). One has severe problems with his heart, and his doctor told him he will most likely die if he keeps smoking. Part of his heart has already started shutting down. My neighbor's son(he was around 40, I believe)died from some sort of lung problem(I really can't remember what sort. This was at least 5 years ago). Finally, there's my dad, who has the start of COPD(Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease. It's when you have chronic bronchitis and emphysema).

So while these health risks may be relatively low, it didn't seem to matter in these people's lives.

Egh *washes self* I feel preachy.

Either way, I'm not against smoking, as it's the heavy smokers who really have to worry about the risks. As long as the smoker isn't an *** to other people, then they can smoke however much they want. I'm not saying a smoker's an *** for smoking while walking down the street, I just think things like lighting up at the center of the bus stop is pretty rude.

 

[HAT]

Sporkman, what do you know, you live on Ping Island.

Hat your post was funny/confusing. I was like "WTF no way is HAT gonna disagree with me on...oh wait, there we go"

<3

have faith. =]

 

[derek.haines]

(Yes, I'm that guy whos gonna question all of your "facts". Thats cuz too many times people will just throw out BS and people eat it up)

It was a good post, but those statistics sound like they are made up. Any proof of that?

I obtained the hard statistics from wikipedia, but you can trace back that info to this website: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7895211

It's a part of the US Department of Health and Human Services, so I figured it was pretty legit. The risk is slightly higher than 13% for men and slightly lower for women, but I went with a median for simplicity's sake.

I didn't want to bring up the health issues, but whatever. Also, I'm not directing this at anyone but the guy I quoted. I just hate when someone comes around claiming that the risks of smoking are tiny for heavy smokers.

Whether that risk is accurate or not, low risks are still risks, and considering how painful the problems you can have from smoking are(not to mention how depressing it is for family members), I don't think it'd really be worth it. Aside from lung cancer, there are loads of other risks to worry about, too. It's pretty unfair to post ONE risk and go,"Hey! Look! It's not that bad!" I've known three people(actually known, not just heard about or was a friend of a friend)who have had serious side effects of smoking(possibly four, but the fourth one has other health problems that could have contributed, so I'll leave him out). One has severe problems with his heart, and his doctor told him he will most likely die if he keeps smoking. Part of his heart has already started shutting down. My neighbor's son(he was around 40, I believe)died from some sort of lung problem(I really can't remember what sort. This was at least 5 years ago). Finally, there's my dad, who has the start of COPD(Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease. It's when you have chronic bronchitis and emphysema).

So while these health risks may be relatively low, it didn't seem to matter in these people's lives.

Egh *washes self* I feel preachy.

Either way, I'm not against smoking, as it's the heavy smokers who really have to worry about the risks. As long as the smoker isn't an *** to other people, then they can smoke however much they want. I'm not saying a smoker's an *** for smoking while walking down the street, I just think things like lighting up at the center of the bus stop is pretty rude.

I just went with lung cancer because it's most probably the most visible (and deadly) of the possible side effects. The others would have likely had higher rates but far lower mortality rates, so it would have been statistical shock value with no staying power.

I mention heavy smokers, but I don't personally believe that anyone should be one. Maybe it's just that I'm a former Buddhist, but I believe strongly in moderation. If such large segments of the population drank alcohol in comparable quantities to 20-40 cigarettes every single day for 25+ years, then the possible liver damage and--yes--cancer from alcohol consumption from would be just as visible to the general public. Luckily the majority of the world (which regretfully leaves a minority, however significant) has learned the fine art of moderation in our alcohol consumption, and do not drink 2 six-packs of Coors every day.

And I'm with you in having personal experience with the negative side, too. I know 2 people who've actually full-out died from lung cancer, and one person with emphysema. But this out of 5-dozen or more smokers I've known throughout my life. I also know a dozen or more people that've been in serious car accidents, some of whom have died, but I still drive my *** away from home every day.

But, hey, you know what-- I'm totally with you on the rudeness thing. I'm pro-marijuana, but I don't want somebody lighting up a fat blunt while I'm in the checkout line at Wal-Mart.

 

[Hizkit]

i'm going to go on ahead and declare that everyone in support of the banning of public smoking should be shot for the betterment of my new, gleaming, not-smoke-free orwellian society.

go **** yourselves.

this is america, i can set my own **** on fire, and then inhale it. wanna press charges?

That was...beautiful, man.

 

[KingJiggyWiggy]

Second hand smoke is a lie. How can second hand smoke be worse if you aren't even inhaling the entire thing?

 

[Cookiez]

It's worse because you're inhaling stuff you made a decicion not to :D You're not damaging yourself, other people are damaging you.

To be honest, I don't give a crap whether people smoke or not as long as it's not around small children.

 

[~Krystal~]

It's worse because you're inhaling stuff you made a decicion not to :D You're not damaging yourself, other people are damaging you.

To be honest, I don't give a crap whether people smoke or not as long as it's not around small children.

This brings up a question. If a pregnant woman decides to smoke, what would you do?

The act is legal, the health concerns however, are valid. Do you walk away and say nothing or do you open your mouth and see if your words don't fall on deaf ears?

 

[Cookiez]

Me, personally?

Ultimately, it's the perogative of the smoker to decide whether or not he/she will quit smoking. But nonetheless, on several occassions i've approached pregnant women and told them the effects of smoking on their unborn fetuses, ie. the possibility miscarriage or stillbirth, though often being 16 I am ignored which is fair enough.

The fact remains that i've tried my best to counteract something which I perceive to be wrong, so will continue to do so.

Edit: Ps. I <3 your siggy :D.

 

[Pikaville]

Smoking may be a disgusting habit,but so is masturbating(when you think about it)yet most people do it anyway.

Also the whole arguement that "I dont want to have to put up with smoke around me" is ********.What if dont want to have to put up with the smell of alcohol around me but I have to because people have rights and can do it as they please.

Ireland has it in for smokers.We cant smoke indoors(places of work,bars etc)which im fine with.But charging us 7.50 for a pack is stupid(thats roughly 12 dollars)The price is set to rise to 10 euro soon too.10 packs are also outlawed here.Im sick of being singled out for a choice that I have made in life.

Health risks constantly being shoved in my face p**s me off too.I personally dont want to live to be really old so im doing myself a favor.(Although cancer is a horrible disease and I wish it on no one[except myself apparently] and also mean no offense to anyone who may have died/knows some one who died as a result of it)

And my number one the sign on the pack that says "Dont start smoking" IF IVE BOUGHT THE PACK THEN ITS KINDA TOO LATE!"Oh I just bought this pack of cigarettes but the pack says not to not start I guess I wont" Stupid really.

Bit of a rant sorry.........I love smoking

 

[derek.haines]

And my number one the sign on the pack that says "Dont start smoking" IF IVE BOUGHT THE PACK THEN ITS KINDA TOO LATE!"Oh I just bought this pack of cigarettes but the pack says not to not start I guess I wont" Stupid really.

Does it seriously say that in Ireland? Lordy, that's even worse than the Surgeon General Warnings we have in the U.S..

 

[curiousthoughtsbear]

i personally think that, because smoking is unhealthy for you, i am fully in the right to tell you to stop, simply because the smoke annoys me.

i believe, also, that when i venture into a populated region, it's simply bull**** that i have to deal with **** that i don't like. i mean hell, why can't you just cater to me?



just because you're a minority, being a non-smoker, doesn't mean america gets to bend over to your every whim. second-hand smoke is a joke, the health risks are obviously quite clear to smokers, and going through some utopian bull**** where smokers shouldn't smoke for the benefit of society is the most ludicrous argument on this thread.

i'm going to go on ahead and declare that everyone in support of the banning of public smoking should be shot for the betterment of my new, gleaming, not-smoke-free orwellian society.

go **** yourselves.

this is america, i can set my own **** on fire, and then inhale it. wanna press charges?

People are killed, maimed, or heavily fined for lesser evils in other countries. Take Singapore for example, i.e. spitting law. Fact of the matter is that you're probably just used to certain freedoms and thus live the lifestyle you do. That's part of the reason why America's in the ****ter as far as cultural values go. In general, humans tend to do better for themselves if forced to do what's right rather than find that out for themselves.

As far as what's right, that's entirely relative. However, most of us prolly know what's the good/right thing to do as dictated by a society/alternate culture.


Oh yah and y'all smokers are complaining about us whining, that's all fine and good but this thread seems to be your own outlet for similar effect. And just because it's America does not mean what you do is necessarily the "right" thing to do. Laws change fool, they don't reflect what's right or wrong just what's currently acceptable. Following the current trend, smoking, cigarette smoking will likely be banned within the next 1/2 century. Good Luck continuing that habit, unless of course you plan on breaking the law as well as contributing to a sadistic industry.

Try being so bull-headed in places like China......you'll go real far, so far that the you probably won't be coming back for a long long time, if ever.

WHINE MORE.

 

[Livvers]

It's worse because you're inhaling stuff you made a decicion not to :D You're not damaging yourself, other people are damaging you.

To be honest, I don't give a crap whether people smoke or not as long as it's not around small children.

Well, it isn't actually worse, because a lot of it is dissipated into the air. You aren't inhaling all of the smoke rising from the cigarette. Second hand smoke is kind of case by case type of thing.

This brings up a question. If a pregnant woman decides to smoke, what would you do?

The act is legal, the health concerns however, are valid. Do you walk away and say nothing or do you open your mouth and see if your words don't fall on deaf ears?

Well, I keep my mouth shut. It's a ****ty thing for a mother to do, but I'm sure her doctor would have told her and stressed the risks. This scenario makes me think of that one episode of Seinfeld...

Smoking may be a disgusting habit,but so is masturbating(when you think about it)yet most people do it anyway.

Masturbation's actually healthy for you =D

People are killed, maimed, or heavily fined for lesser evils in other countries. Take Singapore for example, i.e. spitting law. Fact of the matter is that you're probably just used to certain freedoms and thus live the lifestyle you do. That's part of the reason why America's in the ****ter as far as cultural values go. In general, humans tend to do better for themselves if forced to do what's right rather than find that out for themselves.

That's why kids raised in Christian families always turn out so well.

Making mistakes makes you learn a lot faster than being told what to do from the start =\

Try being so bull-headed in places like China......you'll go real far, so far that the you probably won't be coming back for a long long time, if ever.

You know, I always hate when this point is brought up. Why does it matter? It contributes nothing. No **** China's laws are ****ty. So wait, China's laws are strict, so that must mean their "cultural values" are way better than our's, right? At least according to you. Well, I'll live in a country with "****ty" cultural values if it means I can have free speech without being jailed horribly for it(what kind of value is that? A great one?).

Also, lol at the irony of you complaining at people whining, and then talking about freedom of speech.

 

[derek.haines]

. Good Luck continuing that habit, unless of course you plan on breaking the law as well as contributing to a sadistic industry.

What's the basis for that comment? They're just trying to pay the mortgage. Besides, wouldn't a smoking-related death just take away customers?

 

[Evil Eye]

People are killed, maimed, or heavily fined for lesser evils in other countries. Take Singapore for example, i.e. spitting law.

And... what? Is this good? Is this model? Is that how you think things should be done? The fact that more ridiculous things than the persecution of smokers exist doesn't negate the ridiculousness of as much. That's like saying having a good friend OD isn't bad just because there are whole villages in Africa that eat less than you do in a sitting.

Fact of the matter is that you're probably just used to certain freedoms and thus live the lifestyle you do.

And again... what? Your point is... we shouldn't have freedoms of personal choice? That committees should be able to shove what is essentially their own brand of doctrine down your throat, even if your actions affect only yourself? Tell you what. Why don't you go ahead and do a little research on the Soviet Union, and tell me how much you'd like to lose freedoms like what to eat for dinner, what kind of drink to wash it down with, what kind of clothes to wear, or hell, even WHERE you get these things!

That's part of the reason why America's in the ****ter as far as cultural values go.

The idea of America being in the ****ter culturally is entirely your own subjective opinion. Culture is not a science that can be measured ala the economy, with "US greenback is down yet again" every day on the news. I can't argue this with you, not just because I ain't American, but because I recognize the subjectivity (and thus irrelevance) of cultural debate.

In general, humans tend to do better for themselves if forced to do what's right rather than find that out for themselves.

Alright, Mr. Realist. I can't help that you've read too much Hobbes. All you're doing here is spouting philosophy, and not even your own (or particularly coherently).

As far as what's right, that's entirely relative. However, most of us prolly know what's the good/right thing to do as dictated by a society/alternate culture.

I'm sorry? Did you just say OTHER HUMAN SOCIETY'S are a good reference for right and wrong? The same societies built of these weird creatures called homo sapiens that built the freedom-based nations of North America you so despise (hey, you said we shouldn't get to make our own decisions)? That's utterly absurd. There are probably some guys in India having this same debate, with one guy equally flabbergasted by the other guy's suggestion of looking to a society, be it internal or external, to decide moral values.

Societies are but distributions of power and wealth. They're organizational dichotomies, ways to get things done via overseers and underlings. I don't trust the weighing of moral issues to a system. That's the kind of thing the human mind was designed for in the first place.

Oh yah and y'all smokers are complaining about us whining, that's all fine and good but this thread seems to be your own outlet for similar effect.

Oh Christ, are you really playing that card? To people who are typically whined at daily, often by complete strangers? People who have to decipher propoganda every time they read a magazine or turn on the television, or even open their next pack, before they can get hard facts? People who have been lumped into a subculture and bombarded by the hatred of god-knows-how-many for no personal reason whatsoever?

You're gonna complain about under half a dozen people using a tiny outlet that will be read by perhaps a hundred people before disappearing to politely say how much we hate this persecution?

REALLY?

And just because it's America does not mean what you do is necessarily the "right" thing to do.

Nope.

In that vein, just because it's America, and you're entitled to say we shouldn't be allowed to make our own decisions, doesn't mean saying as much is necessarily the "right" thing to do.

Laws change fool, they don't reflect what's right or wrong just what's currently acceptable.

Laws are written by men and women. If we shouldn't make our own decisions, why are they made by other men? If only we had some kind of deity-like beings to blindly throw our faith in...

Following the current trend, smoking, cigarette smoking will likely be banned within the next 1/2 century.

So? In fifty years people are going to have this debate. Just because it's America, and smoking was outlawed, doesn't mean it was the right thing to do.

Good Luck continuing that habit, unless of course you plan on breaking the law as well as contributing to a sadistic industry.

Well supporting organized crime instead of a heftily-taxed and legal industry that as such contributes plenty of money to infrastructure just makes all the sense in the world.

Try being so bull-headed in places like China......you'll go real far, so far that the you probably won't be coming back for a long long time, if ever.

I don't plan to. That's kind of why I enjoy my current residence. Putz.

WHINE MORE.

I shall, and might I say that you are a genuine portrait of maturity.

 

[GhostAnime]

Following the current trend, smoking, cigarette smoking will likely be banned within the next 1/2 century.

yup. create another disaster why dont ya.

 

[derek.haines]

Evil Eye...amen.

 

[curiousthoughtsbear]

LOL y'all support my argument by responding with such hostility. I'm saying that Americans are pampered, myself included. In other words this is a stupid argument because nobody's gonna change anybody else's opinions/feelings. The only thing that will change anything is the promise of some sort of immediate physical threat, i.e. the law.

Also, did I ever say that other values are right ???? Hmm but there's a reason that most Asian Immigrant families stress hard work and studies so heavily. Head down, mind aware.


"Making mistakes you learn a lot faster."

Usually at great expense. And btw humans wouldn't build on prior knowledge if you learned only through your own mistakes. Feats/difficult proofs in mathematics would take lifetimes for some whereas if one were to use the knowledge of old to aid their endeavors then that same task would be achievable in their own lifetime.


"Whine More"

Heh, I quote myself. Do I require maturity to debate. In fact, immaturity is far more interesting in a debate. I've already insinuated that I have no desire to change your opinions or feelings, rather I wish to incite an angry/annoyed response. It is said that maturity and wisdom come with age. Why is this ? The reason being is that in merely living one experiences pain of all sorts. The more pain one experiences the greater objectivity one gains in life. Frankly Americans are relatively comfortable versus the rest of the world.......as a country, "we" are immature.

But who cares really, I'm anonymous and so are you. Frankly, if I met any of you in person I wouldn't say a word to you regardless of how obnoxious you may or may not act. If you blew smoke in my face then at most I'd slightly cringe and walk away. Threats on this kind of mostly anonymous server are empty threats at most.




Never stated anything was fact, just spoke as if it was. Does that annoy y'all ? If so, good, I have no desire to be polite or open-minded as clearly I gain nothing from being such. I only gain some small degree of entertainment from trolling. Yes I am trolling, HAH.


Mission Accomplished !







One last thing. If one were to ask, What do you want people to acknowledge/take away, concerning this argument ? Then, how would you answer ??
It's y'alls habit and thus I'm assuming y'alls reason for argument as well.

 

[Peeze]

I dont care if people smoke, i dont smoke. I get annoyed by the commercials too. everybody knows smoking drastically shortens your life. If they dont care enough to quit why should i care.
One thing that does piss me off is when smokers say "i'm gonna die anyway, so why not smoke"
The same theory applies to russian roulette.

 

[Cookiez]

Well, it isn't actually worse, because a lot of it is dissipated into the air. You aren't inhaling all of the smoke rising from the cigarette. Second hand smoke is kind of case by case type of thing.

I noez :D. That's why I was referring specifically to fact that it harms people who effectively made the choice not to, rather than anything else. =^^=

 

[Livvers]

I'm going to be honest here. I actually couldn't read that. I tried a couple times, but part way through my mind just starts going "Garblegarblegarble zzzzzzzzzzzz".

Also, I can almost never take someone seriously when they write "y'all" in a debate.

 

[barnes]

I dont smoke and find it very annoying.

 

[HAT]

People are killed, maimed, or heavily fined for lesser evils in other countries. Take Singapore for example, i.e. spitting law. Fact of the matter is that you're probably just used to certain freedoms and thus live the lifestyle you do. That's part of the reason why America's in the ****ter as far as cultural values go. In general, humans tend to do better for themselves if forced to do what's right rather than find that out for themselves.

As far as what's right, that's entirely relative. However, most of us prolly know what's the good/right thing to do as dictated by a society/alternate culture.


Oh yah and y'all smokers are complaining about us whining, that's all fine and good but this thread seems to be your own outlet for similar effect. And just because it's America does not mean what you do is necessarily the "right" thing to do. Laws change fool, they don't reflect what's right or wrong just what's currently acceptable. Following the current trend, smoking, cigarette smoking will likely be banned within the next 1/2 century. Good Luck continuing that habit, unless of course you plan on breaking the law as well as contributing to a sadistic industry.

Try being so bull-headed in places like China......you'll go real far, so far that the you probably won't be coming back for a long long time, if ever.

WHINE MORE.

useless post. you don't even have a valid point. wait until your 3rd year of high school or so, when you learn what a thesis statement is.

someone come in here and fuel a competent argument to mine. let's get this **** rolling.

 

[derek.haines]

One last thing. If one were to ask, What do you want people to acknowledge/take away, concerning this argument ? Then, how would you answer ??

My reason for the argument? I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I'm just trying to help people to live above the hype. There's far too much propaganda these days, and it's difficult to make a truly informed decision. Honestly, it doesn't even really matter if anyone has switched opinions at all, I just want people to get the straight facts.

 

[curiousthoughtsbear]

Heh....good thing I play into your stereotype. If I wanted to argue with proper rhetoric then I would have actually given a **** about the outcome. 3rd year of high school....guess again. Haven't written a serious English/history/philosophy-related paper in over 1/2 a decade. Hmm, I wonder why, maybe it's because I'm an engineer ?!?!

Was I going for readability?? Nope, not at all, with the exception of my last statement. Please do reply to that.





From here on out I shall speak anew without undue bias or overly opinionated views. What's the expression, I was "just testing the water." So now I give more of a **** about the argument. My prior statement references the state of mind I was in previously. Amicable and competent, the means to argue civilly. The means that I shall now attempt to utilize in wake of my horrid first impression.






Thoughts about Smoking :

It's a highly addictive masochistic form of self-indulgence. Don't take this badly, weight-lifting is the same way as is running to a certain extent.

Given a choice, smoking is entirely acceptable to the extent that it maintains little effect on surrounding parties of non-smokers.

The smokeless cigarette anyone ???? ( Yes I know there are various types of water filtration devices to smoke through, but are inconvenient)
I.E. If cigarettes did not provide a nicotine high then would any of you be in the habit ?

That's it for now !

 

[derek.haines]

I believe I've managed to ascertain the question from deep within that tangled mass of thought you call a post. Would I still smoke if there was no nicotine involved?

Absolutely and unequivocally yes. I enjoy smoking for the pure pleasure of smoking, which I only do roughly once or twice per month at most. In fact, I only really feel a true "craving" a few times per year, at most, and I would smoke even if I never felt that craving at all.

 

[curiousthoughtsbear]

Aha, and what sort of smoking would that be, out of curiosity ?
In addition, my question was misunderstood. "....would you be in the habit," clearly this is not so much a habit for you as a fancy.

Another voice would be much appreciated !




Also, do you believe that your sentiments are common among the majority of smokers ?

 

[derek.haines]

Cigarette smoking. The problem is, without nicotine there is no need for a "habit". Without any addictiveness it becomes completely a matter of choice. I'm sure you would see some sort of a drop in overall smoking as the "regretful" smokers that the media features so often quit, but I personally think without the stigma of an addiction to hang over their heads a great deal of people would pick it up.

 

[curiousthoughtsbear]

Interesting note......and likely true.

So some sort of law preventing tobacco companies from using addictive additives would be acceptable by both parties, smokers and non-smokers. And all in all, in our interest.

True ??

 

[Nicolette]

Cigarettes will never be made illegal and neither would nicotine. If nicotine was banned then less people may smoke and this would mean the government, who recieves so much tax money from cigarettes, would lose out. The amount the government makes from cigarettes is immense.

It's an irony but in the UK smokers pay a contribution for the NHS as well as other goverment funded projects.

Smokers should be allowed to do what they want to their own bodies. I am a smoker and I think it's a good thing that smoking has been banned indoors in the UK but if someone's smoking outside, stay away from them. It's really not hard.