AlbertaSmash

[T-block]

as far as i know, there's no real correlation between response time and input lag. input lag mostly determined by the amount of processing the monitor has to do to convert the image signal it receives into the format it needs to display. manufacturers would tack on very heavy processes because it made the image look nice, and that's what non-gamers care about really... it doesn't matter if your movie is "behind" by a few frames. this ties into the display's "native resolution"... back when everyone was making a fuss over MLG using laggy displays, it was brought up that the wii outputs an image signal that didn't match the native resolution of the displays, so even hdmi cables wouldn't fix the lag, since processing to convert to the native resolution would still have to happen.

basically, don't pay any attention to the "response time" spec when buying a monitor for gaming. if it's under 8ms, you probably won't notice a difference going any lower.

 

[x After Dawn x]

i meant to say most newer LCD monitors have both irrelevant response rates and low input lag, carl, oops.

i have definitely played on some older LCD monitors and can see where people's fear of lag come from, it's not only visually annoying but it just makes gaming unplayable (even casually).

apparently viewsonics are really good monitors for gaming too, if anybody's looking to buy one. note that the *****y, johning halo 3 mlg players ALL play on LCDs in tournament lol. i can definitely john a lot sometimes too and i have NEVER had a problem with this monitor, so i really don't think many newer LCDs have a problem with input lag, although i know that there is no real correlation.

while on subject, does anybody remember that really old, laggy monitor that i brought to adat2? i remember colin refused to even play friendlies on it LOL

 

[Frio]

Any lag is relevant cause it gives the loser something to ***** about >_>

 

[Stevo]

I guess that is why it was almost impossible to find the response time spec for my TV.

as far as I can tell, my 46' Samsung LCD must have low input lag, because I really cannot feel any lag.

makes sense why most manufacturers don't even advertise their response times anymore.

I just think people need to be more open to at least trying out a TV before just assuming since it isn't CRT it is going to be laggy.

this is partially because I HATE playing on small TVs.... I think im gonna start johning about TV size.

 

[x After Dawn x]

well it's not just tv size you might not be comfortable with, but also how far away the tv is from your eyes. to me, i'm more comfortable with a tv taking up a smaller amount of area of my vision, if that makes sense, than the average for most people. i also find my timing is off when i play in a different setting, ie. at somebody else's house, than at my own house

 

[sleak-]

omg NO LIES at Melees end back 3-4 years ago? i played dan on a small tv in tournament , my small tv johns started there.

 

[Alphicans]

I think it has more to do with that LCD tv's have gotten this stigman that they have lag issues, so now people just automatically think it'll be a problem. When they play it, it doesn't matter if there is lag or not, they will still say they feel it because of the pre-determined bias against it.

 

[FalseFalco]

I don't think anyone here is that obnoxious or really comes to a blanket conclusion that all LCD TV's are trash. I'm fine with trying an LCD TV to compare. That being said I've never played on one yet where I felt it was as good as or the same as a CRT.

Size of TV has never been a problem for me, only in teams where you're at some ******** angle.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

I use a viewsonic for my computer monitor **** yeah

I'll gladly test out input delays for different tvs seeing as I fuss with delay on 64 online.

 

[Tyson651]

i always have to be somewhat close to the tv, and the tv cant be big.

and i have to be on the side a bit, not straight on or some ******** angle.

and the tv must not have any more than 2ms lag, or else my jiggs cant do work.

and i must have a bottle of gatorade, and must use the washroom before every match

and i must wear a sweater

and my hands must be warm

and carl must be cheering me


sup

 

[FalseFalco]

swear to god tyson if you just sat by me all game saying "nice" every couple minutes I could 2-0 mango.

 

[Alphicans]

Tyson is the ultimate fan girl?

 

[victra♥]

loooool carl. tyson gets more hype at smaller things. its fantastic <3

 

[Sraigux]

cool fact for you hardcore gamers to chew on:

Unless input lag is longer than 17ms you won't notice it. 1 frame is 16.666667 ms

 

[Sraigux]

I use a viewsonic for my computer monitor **** yeah

I'll gladly test out input delays for different tvs seeing as I fuss with delay on 64 online.

that's the 1ms one that came out earlier this year right?

 

[FalseFalco]

I was going to reply intelligently but then I saw we have a new smiley

 

[Stevo]

v

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

that's the 1ms one that came out earlier this year right?

It actually came out in 07. This year's version is a revised one from 07.

 

[Sraigux]

It actually came out in 07. This year's version is a revised one from 07.

Oh, thought it was new cause engadget was all hyped about it.

Would it really help that much for smash 64? I thought the biggest problem was internet lag.

 

[Stevo]

omfg that is dan posting

I didnt realise cause of the avatar

(although, I should have known)

 

[Randall00]

*steps in.....steps out*

project melee is unbelievable. they ripped melee's physics and directly translated them into a language that brawl understands.

...whaaaaaaaat??

 

[Tyson651]

swear to god tyson if you just sat by me all game saying "nice" every couple minutes I could 2-0 mango.

loool, its funny cause it works

Tyson is the ultimate fan girl?

basically.

loooool carl. tyson gets more hype at smaller things. its fantastic <3

ya, dunno why.

i say something like, OH NICE.

but everyone looks at me like im some scrub.

 

[KlTHKlN]

Hi Randall

but brad, why do people watch porn then?

People who watch porn with both are disgusting, however I never limited one person porn.

But on a serious note, who wants to watch a guy doing a chick, seriously, all I can ever think of is: DANUH! ITS GUTS MAN

Brad you're coming today, right?

Nope, work.

cool fact for you hardcore gamers to chew on:

Unless input lag is longer than 17ms you won't notice it. 1 frame is 16.666667 ms

Wouldn't anything about 0ms mean that it's instantly one frame of lag because the frame shown wouldn't be updated untill 16.etc ms later.

OH MY GOD AMAZING SCIENCE.

...whaaaaaaaat??

just ignore it.

 

[KlTHKlN]

Also, Arthur, This just in: I can't make it to the UofC tournament due to the fact that the date was pushed pack so much.

I work 7am to 7pm that day.

edit: And every day ever untill January

double edit: except for most days arn't 7-7 usually 7-6

 

[Stevo]

so is that a my little pony or what.

Im confused. I feel like I'm supposed to know what that is

 

[ruhtraeel]

Damnit. Everyone else will be there, but if you've got work then maybe next time :-\

Nobody's johns top Tom's at the VGC:
"Yo Arthur, I think I was playing bad that night cause when I got home I was so thirsty and I drank 2 glasses of water."

Dehydration johns.

 

[KillLock]

that john is my favorite

 

[sleak-]

LOOLOL i feeel so sorry for the original "John" LOL

 

[t3h Icy]

He shouldn't have johned.

 

[Subzer0_king68]

So me and my friend hav been prakticing these past weeks, and i feel confidant at getting top3 at this tourny . prakticw praktice

 

[Alphicans]

I want photo proof that subzeroking exists!

 

[Subzer0_king68]

youll see at tourny

 

[Yakal]

stevo brought me here


whats good

 

[victra♥]

loooooooooooool marik! man good times

 

[sleak-]

lool cant wait to play you subzero :D

 

[Blunted_object10]

Sup? Stevo brought me here too!

these friendlies are kinda boring Adam

.... LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD

so I played about 2 hours of melee yesterday vs. lvl 1 computers.

I did like an hour of warm up techskill stuff, then proceeded to play as fox on my LCD screen (with 4 ms response time) and do as much technically demanding things as I can do.

I've come to the conclusion that 2ms response time is NOTHING TO ***** ABOUT, since I was fine with 4ms.
I think we need a control group. Next tournament we should have a quick LCD (2ms) dressed up as a CRT and see if anyone complains.

In the past, I couldnt STAND to play on an LCD, but with response times as low as 2ms these days, I don't think its a big deal. Has any of you even TRIED playing smash on a tv with 2ms response?

I dunno guys..... I was drill shine comboing marth easy enough, and I dont even play fox.

A moderate sized 2ms LCD made by a good company should be fine I think.

I know the initial reaction to people playing on big LCDs is "LOL newb, they lag" but has ANYONE actually played on a really good LCD?

Try Multishining 10 times in a row everytime!

 

[Stevo]

I don't think i've ever done 2 multishines in a row, even on a CRT.


since you guys are here, teach me the ways of Backtilt and Lowkicking.

 

[Yakal]

backtilt is so last forever ago

behind air imo

 

[xXx-NoobKing-xXx]

Save us! The BC thread has been CORRUPTED!

 

[Blunted_object10]

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