Here we go...
i'm actually pretty sold on this KB lynch. i never really thought about it before, but their entire game sucks and it makes me writhe with pain.
Vote: Kosha Boy
if he's not scum i'll be so upset with both players in that hydra, not that i'm not already upset with them of course. i've looked over previous games of inferno and he should know better than to play the way he has been playing.
i'm sticking with this vote until day's end unless something super controversial happens.
I noticed that Bardull has a tendency to shift the blame onto the lynchee as an inb4 for when he's wrong. If you're town, take responsibility and actually THINK about the possibility of them just being bad instead of going "oh he's scummy let's lynch him and if he flips town it's his fault". No, it doesn't work like that and only scum would think that way. Bardull did it toDay as well (as quoted
below) and on several other occassions like when he said that "if J's scum, we're ****ed".
Uh, yeah bro, you're not dead yet. I like how you're trying to explain your vote on me as if you need to. We already know it's down to me and you toDay unless scum is trolling us or taking their time with alpha strikes (which would be pretty gay.)
No, the easiest player to make a case on would be Kantrip LOL.
Lol, I'd be wasting my time? Doubtful. Look bro, I TOLD YOU at the START OF THE GAME that this was going to happen in a LyLo situation because you have NO MEAT ON YOUR BONES. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and stopped tunneling you but that was a huge mistake on my behalf and I should have pushed for your lynch on D3. You CONTINUED to do so and now we're in the
situation we're in. If you're Town, you lost us the game with your play and I hope you learn that all of your safe, sheepish play, non-existent pushes, and the blatantly obvious attempt at saving Nabe (which, by the way, this was the ONLY time you ever did this, and it was for scum. That's contradictory of your current testimony. If you believed no one would follow your reads, why did
you try to move the wagon away from Nabe and push for J? FAIL! You lie.) point to NoobScumVlade.
No, the lynch shouldn't happen yet. Now that I know you're scum, it will probably be pretty easy to detect your third scum mate. I'm just going to have to reread the **** out of this game, but I know I'll be able to do it.
It just shows that he lacks care in the consequences of his lynch targets, which reads scum to me.
So then Bardull hammers Overswarm, and then says this:
:|
Unfortunately, I think OS is smart enough to see through my gambit.
OS is still at L-1, I haven't unvoted yet. :/
I find this EXTREMELY hard to buy and I cannot believe we let this slide. There is NO WAY that anyone can be that stupid. Towny intent? None. Scummy intent? Good way to cover up his hammering of our Jailer.
Now after Day 1 Bardull's play around the Nabe ordeal intrigues me:
Vote: BarDull
Scum obviously, gg
Major WIFOM, something to note for later:
godotsipcoffee.jpg
godotshakeheadatkantrip.jpg
the wifom nabe posted will only lead to counter productivity, so it really isn't worth talking about; nabe is confirmed scum, so anything he says or does will only distract town at this point.
point of clarity though: nabe is suggesting that the mafia members don't know who each other are, and if this is true, it means potential connections and disconnections between nabe and the rest of the players don't add up to anything. scum doesn't have a reason to make this statement if the statement is true though, so chances are nabe just wants us to think that trying to draw
connections/disconnections from his play is futile.
bottom line: it's wifom and it's not worth talking about, but we should continue to assume the mafia knows who the other mafia players are unless his flip proves otherwise.
Now after that WIFOM dumped by Nabe, Bardull comes in and makes an attempt to draw our attention away from what Nabe said and seems to make such a big deal about it. Now why would he feel the need to clarify this? Obviously he didn't want anyone looking back through Nabe's recent posts and deciphering the WIFOM that was set. I am finding it difficult to see any town incentive in
this post. From a town perspective, this post just consists of fluff.
this is the problem: you're ok with openly sheeping/not following your own reads, which in simpler terms means you're not being productive town. by admitting to having scummy behavior and being "cool" about it, you're essentially reading null to most players here.
people who have town leans on vlade need to really think this over.
vlade, if you are town, then ultimately you're just an empty slot that votes with the majority. in a lylo/mylo situation, you will surely be lynched for this.
here's my read on vlade. if vlade is town, then he just doesn't care what his actions look like when he does them. this is derived either from arrogance/over confidence, or he really doesn't care about the game that much. or he's really, really, really hard headed.
if someone can provide meta/a personality profile on vlade for me, i'd appreciate it.
if vlade is scum, it means that vlade has a superiority complex and thinks that he can get away with scummy behavior by being open and "cool" about it. he has too much confidence in himself for no real reason.
we're never going to be friends vlade, NEVER. NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR! ughhhhhhhhhh
is anyone here friends with vlade that can help me feel better about him?
Bardull knew from the very beginning that by keeping me alive he'd eventually be able to convince other people that I'm scum. Of course, he has opted to keep me alive until lylo just like he promised.
ok, so i looked through all of nabe's posts, and i've noticed a couple things.
1. has a weird town read on kantrip, so kantrip/nabe team is possible. eh. i really want to see kantrip's flip but my gut read is that kantrip is just really bad town, no one can possibly be so anti town and so blatantly scummy as him. i would lynch kantrip in a lylo situation with just about anyone else though.
2. t-block/nabe scum team is possible, but unlikely fmpov atm.
3. nabe tried to deter the OS lynch and push the KB lynch, but he was being fake obv. town. i actually don't feel like a KB/nabe team is in existence.
4. never interacts with vlade. vlade puts his vote on nabe at one point, but nabe doesn't respond to vlade's vote like he did to asdioh/t-block.
also, earlier in D2, vlade clearly tries to change the bandwagon from nabe to someone on the OS wagon (J) because he feels that "nabe is scummy, but there are more scummy lynch targets." nabe never points out the flaws in vlade's play like he did to, for example, myself/kantrip/t-block. this is a weird disconnect between vlade and nabe that bothers me substantially. now, i understand
people may think i'm tunneling vlade and vlade is seemingly obvious town, BUT there's a lot that hints to vlade/nabe scum team more so than anyone else, at least imho.
5. definitely not scum with me LOL, if i was scum with nabe that would be so funny XD
6. J/nabe scum team would be hilarious, but only a !% chance of this actually being the case.
7. raziek gave an easy vote on nabe toDay. this goes in accordance with raz's typical play so far. don't see raz/nabe team as very likely. it's possible though.
8. haven't REALLY looked into RF/nabe interactions, but it seems like typical play from RF. this is a pretty neutral relationship, seems like TvS.
-Once again so concerned about lylo when it's only Day 2 - something only scum would really think about.
-Second bolded post shows a scum thought process - why would town need to explain how they cannot possibly be connected? That's something that's up to the other players to decide. Also the fact that he brushes it off as a joke is scummy.
Gah, wtf, I was prodded? I could've sworn I posted in the last 48 hours...blah. Well, for what it's worth, I'm just waiting on that post from J. I've pretty much said all that I've needed to say so far X3.
Current stance: KEEL NABE!
Possible Nabe scum mates - Vlade, RR, Kantrip, RF, TB, Raz
Don't like Vlade (probably massive tunneling on my part though), wish Raz would post more, Kantrip is Kantrip (I don't get the feeling that Kanty/Nabe is a scum team though for some reason...), RR has done an ok job of cleaning up after KB, but that slot is pretty much doomed (it's really just a coin toss for me between Kanty/RR flip for tomorrow, this could change based on flips though), I
sort of get the feeling one of RF/TB is scum with Nabe but they both seem town to me (haven't seen or heard from RF though, wtf?)
Yeah that's pretty much it. Hurry up J! :3
Keeping a LOT of options open as a potential scumbuddy for Nabe - blatantly scummy. Town would narrow it down to 1 or 2 potential scumbuddies.
We move onto Day 3 when Bardull plays his watcher gambit:
hmm...k, very well.
unfortunately, i wanted to wait out a response from vlade, RF, and RR for scum hunting purposes, but it seems a bit too late for that.
yes, i'm not the watcher. i am a different role; my intents and purposes for claiming watcher today was to get a reaction out of kantrip, who was easily going to be the most controversial subject today.
i can say, with certainty, that kantrip is not the one who visited nabe's body, with a 60% lean on kantrip being town.
raziek is my largest suspect as of now. RF reads null. RR and t-block are still sus to me but it's mostly gut.
Ok, so there was some town intent for the gambit, but...
oh, i missed it. yeah, your reaction reads legit to me. fail on my part.
i hate to say this
but vlade might be town.
The town intent was fake. You don't "miss" my reaction when that is what you are fishing for. Scummy intent is evident since Bardull continues to bring up this 'gambit' as part of his 'town play' and why he shouldn't be lynched, when he completely disproved that town intent by showing his lack of actual care about my response to his gambit.
Now we get to the Ryker lynch saga:
Alright, this REALLY needs to be addressed. EVERYONE needs to look at this. This is big and largely why I believe--no, I KNOW Ryker is scum. He is now my strongest scum read next to Raziek, who is second. T-block is third.
This is problem number one. Ryker had no real reasoning to want me to claim before him at this time. There's no explanation. Nein. Nada. Zip. Zop. This is the first red flag that made me begin to see our dear fellow in a different light. I didn't understand why he wanted the claim order in this way, and why he wanted me to claim before him. It didn't make any sense at first. It really came right
out of left field. Then comes problem number two...
Once Ryker realizes that he isn't going to get a claim out of me before he claims, he claims Jake, and he claims an investigative result on me. Here's where problem #2 comes in.
Why? What was this all for? There's still no explanation why he so direly wanted me to claim first. I had already retracted, and yet he was so worried. It made no sense! But wait, there's something else that doesn't make sense:
Problem number 2 is...oh, that's interesting, I already claimed Jake The Dog, so why did RYKER claim JAKE?
This isn't a question that can be answered right away. I'll get back to it later on.
What's more important is that everyone understands that what Ryker tried to do was not a gambit. Here's why:
I AM Jake The Dog, after all. I had ALREADY claimed Jake at the very start of the Day. So, here's a big question all of you need to ask yourselves: "what was the point of his post then if it wasn't a gambit?"
You're smart, but my intellectual capacity for perceiving through mankind's greatest weavers of deception is FLAWLESS. I'm good. Scary good. Boogie man good. You enter the ring with me, and you die a painful, painful, painful death.
This was anything but clever; I saw through it pretty easily. ^_^
Alright, silly self ego stroking and teasing aside, Ryker claims JAKE. Why? This is the biggest discrepancy in his play; he could have claimed Cinnamon Bun. What was his intent for doing this? Why didn't he claim Cinnamon Bun before when he was trying to "gambit" me? This is the big **** up that seals his fate.
Why claim Jake? What is the intent? Why not claim Cinnamon Bun?
Remember, Ryker stated that he "did not remember my character claim."
So, again, I ask the question:
What's the difference between Cinnamon Bun and Jake?
I'll tell you.
From Ryker's point of view, there is no difference. He "didn't remember" my claim.
Yet, for some reason, he claimed Jake anyway, when that wasn't even his role.
...
Strange, isn't it?
Here's what really happened:
The likelihood that I was actually Watcher even after I retracted was high. Really high. Way too high, and for three reasons:
Reason 1: Claiming Watcher as a VT is very risky and extremely bold. In this set up, Watcher was a likely role, but no one had claimed it yet or CC'd except for me.
Reason 2: I "knew" that T-Block was the vote manipulator, and I also stated on D2 "inb4 nabe flips vote manipulator vampire *****." This information suggested that I was very likely a PR since I was "too lucky to have made the right guesses."
Reason 3: I wifom'd like CRAZY before the mass claim.
Now, lets assume Ryker is Scum for a moment.
If I really did "watch" Swords, then Ryker and his potential scum mate (if he had one, which he probably does) were ****ed. The likelihood of this happening was simply way too high for Ryker; getting caught in a VT claim during mass claim, and then getting claimed guilty by me as un CC'd watcher, was too likely to happen because of the reasons I stated above. So the first thing he
does is...
"I want BarDulL to claim before me, and I have a good reason."
Ryker suspected that I was still gambit'ing by "retracting" my claim. He believed that I was trying to put Scum into a false sense of security prior to a mass claim. Then, once he claimed VT, my gambit would snap shut, and scum would lose, so he continued to try and get me to claim first. However, I wouldn't let up no matter how much pressure was on me.
Once Ryker realized that there was no way he was going to get me to claim before him, he suspected the worst: "BarDulL is the Watcher! He's waiting for me to claim VT, and then he's going to have me lynched!"
Knowing this, Ryker took a pre-emptive approach to the problem: he claimed Jake with an investigative result on me.
But why?
In the event that I was actually Jake, Good Watcher, it would be my claim against his in a battle of CCs.
Jake is the stronger claim against Cinnamon Bun; a Cinnamon Bun claim with an investigative role doesn't weigh up to a Jake claim in terms of flavor. It would also make me more suspicious if Ryker claimed Jake.
However, the chance that I claimed VT was still there, so he decided to handle this problem by crumbing "I'm Lying." In the event that I claimed VT, Ryker would use his crumb to back out of the investigative claim if this actually happened, and make himself seem like he was baiting or gambiting me.
But we know that it wasn't a bait or gambit; I had already claimed Jake. If Ryker was trying to gambit or bait me, then he would have used the Cinnamon Bun claim.
Everything fits into place.
Which leaves me at my final point: is there a TOWN explanation for Ryker's actions? Does it make ANY sense at ALL to do what he did if he was actually Town? Remember, he DID NOT REMEMBER THAT I HAD CLAIMED JAKE, and he HAD NOT PUSHED ON ME BEFORE. Why claim Jake when he wasn't actually Jake then? Why go to such lengths to gambit me or bait me, let alone have me claim
first? How does it make any sense as Town?
...
GG Ryker.
I was lazy at the time and didn't think very hard about this case, but now that I look back, it's ****, but I'm not going to be a hypocrite - it's not as bad as the cases I've made in this game. Bardull's ONLY premise for suspecting Ryker was the fact that Ryker claimed Jake the Dog when it was actually Bardull's character, and the answer to this is simple: No-one's going to believe Cinammon Bun
as a watcher. Once this premise was disproven, this argument completely fell down the drain, yet he continued to push for the lynch when his reason for doing so was countered.
Done responding to Kantrip for the rest of this Day. He doesn't want to look for scum, he's obnoxious and disrespectful, and the best part is, he hasn't posed his own read on T-block or asked himself "is T-block scum?" He doesn't have a read. He's pushing the lynch on T-block because it's easy and it's borderline policy. Scum would do this. He's a terrible player
whom, if he's town, will probably end up losing us the game. I have absolutely no respect for him. If he continues to address me, his plights will be ignored, or worse, actually ignored via the ignore mechanic on SWF. I probably won't do that though since that's detrimental to Town.
We don't know if T-block loses his vote upon being RB'D, for one. This is an assumption Kantrip is making. The question I asked was rhetorical. 10 moron points for Kantrip!
Two. Kantrip says that T-block isn't on the same team as Nabe. If T-block really isn't on the same team as Nabe, then we should be trying to lynch one of the final two scum. Or better yet, start scum hunting right now! This entire conversation about lynching T-block on policy is distracting Town from doing proper scum hunting if T-block isn't actually scum with Nabe!
So yeah, with that said, done talking to Kantrip. Still waiting on responses from Vlade, RR, and T-block.
After Kantrip proved that Bardull was being stupid for not reading the game he says he makes cop-out by saying he won't talk to Kantrip and then tries to score townie points by bringing up the importance of scum hunting, when really we needed to lynch T-Block.
I don't actually hate everyone; I was just being silly and expressing my flustered emotions in a silly way. But guess what? That shouldn't come as a surprise because:
1. Raziek has done nothing all game except make sideline commentary and try to fuel the fire by making comments like this. Reads as null/lean scum mostly and didn't participate enough if he is actually Town. If he is going to play a game of mafia, he needs to commit to it. If he isn't Town, I'll be ok with his play for this game.
2. People are pushing T-block's lynch on the premise that he's a policy lynch (I'm going to ****ing laugh when he flips Town) and not because he's scum.
I don't care what anyone says, T-block should not be pushed to death simply because he's detrimental to Town. Players who are pushing a T-block policy lynch (Raziek, Kantrip) instead of scum hunting should be ashamed of themselves if they're Town.
3. RR has yet to provide a case on me and he keeps calling me scum. I'm laughing at the modkill request because no one that is Town would request a mod kill and potentially cause the game to end like this.
4. Kantrip is intolerable.
Sorry Town if this is the wrong choice, but I'm siding with T-block/Vlade. RR and Raziek are scum. That's my final stance.
The final line is really interesting to me. You sided with me, and then without my play changing you suddenly conclude toDay that I am the only player who can possibly be scum?
Read trading? Sounds fun.
I don't have a strong Town read on Vlade at the moment, more like PoE/nooby. He really doesn't scream scum to me. Eh. Damnit, rereading him is going to be a pain in the ***. I actually do understand why you feel the way you do about Vlade though in hindsight.
This game is starting to get stale and Town is just butting heads. I'm up for any form of progression at this point.
Vote: T-block
Sorry Broblock, everyone's getting bored and limiting it down to a 5 person lylo is probably wise.
INB4 Kantrip rages at me for pulling a 180.
Still want RR's case on me, but I don't think I'm gonna get it at this rate. :'(. Raziek is super lurky this game and it's upsetting. Vlade is Vlade. Kantrip is Kantrip.
Makes an inb4 call because he knows it is scummy to vote T-Block to "progress the game" after pushing for his belief that it would have been better to lynch someone else...
So those are my thoughts on Bardull. Evident lack of care about the consequences of his lynch targets, hammering overswarm and then claiming that he didn't know stuff about the unvote command, wifom between him and Nabe, poor reasoning in his case on Ryker, pushing for a lynch on someone other than T-Block yesterDay, sudden change in his stance on me toDay.
