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I'm not letting personal relations do anything...? This isn't the first time I've played with Sang. Tanny is a lynch I'd rather not do but I have vig shot her myself for my reads. I'm saying ignoring questions are never good.
Well that's not true at all haha. ;P Info comes about by answering questions, even people you believe to be scum because you could be wrong on them or you could give more information to town. This feels weird having to tell you this because you should know this.
Tell me why I would vote Kosha Boy as scum if everyone is expecting me to vote Gorf. Do I want to purposely draw attention to a strange vote so I get pressure on me? I don't see your reasoning with this.
I really do think Kosha Boy is a scummier slot. Or at least, they deserve my vote more. Until they answer questions and stop viewing just to leave again without saying anything, my vote is completely fine being on them. I feel like with them, I need to give a vote to get a response (from John especialy, from my numerous experiences with him). I know that Gorf will respond to my stuff without me needing to vote. I don't see how people can find it scummy, though. If people do what they should so and analyze intent they would realize it makes as little sense for scum as town.
You seem to grasp the point of answering for Bardull right here, though you still ask for it. Yes, what I said will manipulate his answer. Or at least, it may have before this attention was drawn to it. I wanted to see how malleable he was. Considering he backed off me for making one wall of text, I was curious to know if he would play agreeable and say my answer was correct. If he did this, I would suspect him. Apparently no one likes letting me get reads on people. I always feel so ****blocked when I try to scumhunt.
Why is telling Gorf not to baselessly attack me garbage? Do you want him to do this? Do you want him to fill his argument with AtE and WIFOM? I'm not trying to hurt his argument. If anything, excluding these things will make his argument better. It is the scummy things I'm telling him to avoid. It's not like I said
I like what RF is doing wrt Sang and I feel no reason to intervene there. It promises to actually go somewhere. Gorf's attacks are of a different nature. If I explain more I'll be stepping on RF's toes so I'd appreciate if this stopped here.
Yeah I just listed things that I knew people had a habit of doing. I feel as though AtE is a scummy tactic and so shouldn't be used by either scum or town because it is anti-town. That's why I said it is a bad habit but yeah that point isn't really necessary I just used it to convey self-meta which should already be taken with the largest of salt grains.
I'm pretty sure Swiss left those questions, because that is why Swiss told me on Britches and Hose. I could have put that in a separate post, and it's more of an out-of-game matter, but Swiss brought it up now so I decided to respond to it. Not anti-town at all. Merely null.
No, I said that Raziek's accusation I knew would yield us nothing. I knew that Ryker would either ignore it or respond to it knowing that it was baseless, meaning that any response gained from it wouldn't actually help find his alignment. I wanted Gorf to understand what Raziek was doing, because it was very clear that he didn't. So I took the least helpful of Raziek's accusations and broke it down. This spurred a Kantrip VS Gorf that then grew and gave us a lot more to work with than the original accusation ever could have. I did not say questioning it would yield us nothing. I said that it on its own would yield us nothing.
Well I'm not going to lie. Why would I tell Nabe what he's saying isn't true if it is true? It IS true. I WAS being defensive and abrasive and aggressive. My best way to defend from this is to be honest: Being defensive and abrasive and aggressive isn't a scumtell for me. What do you want me to do? Disprove Nabe on his case?
Why do you feel the need to explain this?
Sorry. I guess I'm skimming again but this popped out to me. Really? There's nobody that you think could possibly be any scummier, only a possible lurker?
Why are you using WIFOM to try and discredit the point? "Why would I do this as scum?" o.O"
How do you know that they continuously view and not say anything? I have not noticed that habit and you have not been here yourself a while which was pointed out by Vlade/yourself so where did you pull that reason from? Also the only question they haven't answered is the one based on the town read on you that pretty much everyone and their mother has pointed out at this point.Kanty said:
Manipulating someone to get a "read" as you call it, is scummy especially when you are trying to influence their answer on another person's question which you, yourself, tried to answer. It looks terrible. You cannot simply mark it up to people ****blocking you when you try to scum-hunt.Kanty said:
You are not just telling him to not include things that are bad, but attacking his defense that is non-existant by poisoning the water (Or well, I can't remember which one it is at the moment you get what I mean with the rhetoric device. xD) Why are you trying to influence his defense with a post like that? You know Gorf has been playing mafia for much longer than you have and also you seem to be berating him without any evidence to suggest he would have done as such.Kanty said:
Explain why you like RF is doing and how it promises to go somewhere. I doubt RF will mind if you answer how it promises to go somewhere and this looks more like an attempt to back out without giving me an answer that you don't have by buddying RF.Kanty said:
Alright, thank you for clarifying that more because when I was reading it, it really sent me through a loop trying to figure out if you were actually doing what you stated. Regardless, I still don't like that you said it would yield us nothing because I actually disagree to that sentiment.Kanty said:
It's completely WIFOM your answer. We have to trust you on your own self-meta which you believe to be true. I could honestly say that I feel I AtE equally when I am both scum/town but others may feel different about that while others will feel different another way about it. What you are doing is not helping but moreso making things much more confusing. Yes, what I would like you to do is show Nabe how he is wrong instead of just self-meta yourself out of your defense.Kanty said:
I explained it because I hopped off Sang and onto you rather quickly in one post without explaining anything.Kanty said:
Which questions again? All I remember you asking them is the exact same one everyone has asked of them. *You've also asked them this same question about 3-4 times iirc*
Actually I have another problem with this quote.
Why are you avoiding the question? Just because it's WIFOM doesn't mean you can't answer it. Suggest some possible explanations for why any scum player would do what I did. They don't have to be true, and I won't respond to them trying to discredit them if you can think of any. I just really can't see any reasons for doing so. It may be WIFOM but if you are telling me that scum would have no reason to do it then I don't see how anyone got the conclusion that it was scummy.
I have seen them viewing and then they leave again at least thrice now. It is a habit of John's to skim and lurk and give absolutely nothing, and I know he, at least, has been able to post. Not sure about the other head though.
I didn't try to answer someone else's question. I tried to influence someone else's answer to see if they would take the bait or not. I have never played with or seen Bardull play. Again with this point, you are telling me things are scummy without saying why. I'll never understand why people use scumtells when they don't even know why they are scumtells.
It's likely his post would not have contained AtE/WIFOM. I said I didn't want them in there because I didn't want them in there. Did I say I believed they would be?
I like it because RF is pressuring scumpicks and it promises to go somewhere because Sang is responding to it. Gorf is doing the same thing except I have called him out on discrepancies and lies. I haven't found this with RF, and the pressure is not directed at me, so I don't feel like I need to defend Sang. If Sang starts to look like a viable lynch target, I will analyze the case against her and see where I stand then. For now, I will let RF scumhunt.
Ryker ignored it. It yielded nothing. Do you think if I had not said anything Ryker would have responded?
But Nabe is NOT wrong. That's what I am trying to say. He said I was being defensive, and I WAS. Why don't you understand this? If I can't display the self-meta as a REASONING for what he pointed out, then I HAVE NO DEFENSE. Because I'm not going to make one up that isn't true.
Okay.
I don't mean to insult or offend. Apologies to Gorf if he feels insulted.
I can't answer it because it is WIFOM. Suggest some possible explanations? How in the world will that be helping anyone with the vast amount of ways there are? Answering your WIFOMy question doesn't help at all and in fact will hurt town by going along with it. =/
You say just now yet earlier you said it is as if this has been a recurring thing the entire game.Kanty said:
You even admit to it being faulty logic yet still insist on me to use faulty logic to answer said question that will get us nowhere but a circle of "What ifs" and "Would I's?" I have shown you the scum intent from my PoV. I've said how the strange action is scummy and you continue to combat it with WIFOM filled answers that somehow seem plausible to you. @_@ It doesn't make it sense whatsoever what you are trying to do.Kanty said:
.....I have explained why it is scummy what you were doing. You were openly trying to manipulate someone's answers to your own way without letting them answer for themselves and then evaluate from there. It's scummy to do as such. You say you were "baiting" him but I did not look as such nor do I think that is was a towny move to do. It looked shady and that's why I'm calling you out on it.Kanty said:
If you had no reason to believe as such, why bring it up? I feel I have asked this question before and we are full circle again. What point do you have to bring it up? "Just so it wouldn't be in there." "Was there any evidence to suggest as such." "No, but I wanted to make sure it wasn't in there." Yeah we have had this conversation before. =3cKanty said:
Sang is just at the moment a viable lynch target as you with only one vote standing in between the wagons. When will she be a "viable lynch target" for you to analyze the case against her and see where you stand. She is the second most talked about person and RF has not scum-hunted a bit on Sang but has chosen to ignore her and call her scum like they do with most of their scum-picks in games. RF is presurring in an odd way but it isn't anything like the thing you have been doing with Gorf. The pressure on Sang is just him saying that she is scum and having other people agree with him on logic of their own. He isn't presenting new things but moreso ignoring her to see what she will do based on what he is doing.Kanty said:
Who knows now? It's a possibility he would have responded *leaning on doubtfully*, but we can't tell because the game shifted in another way because of what you said.Kanty said:
Why not combat his other points that he had brought up instead of the points on your defensiveness?Kanty said:
Well the way you phrased your quote sounded as if you had more points before John responding had anything to do with it, but I guess I can wait till John responds. =x
Gorf scoffed at the foolishness that spewed from Kantrip.
Gorf had no idea what Kantrip was referring to, since he didn't even bother even skimming over that wall of text, especially when intoxicated. What he DID notice was mention of Kantrip insulting him, which he found very misplaced, especially in the fair beginning of the first Day. A case? Sure, that'd be understandable to him. But Gorf receded to his original idea of walls being antitown, since one tends to lose plenty of the central message trough the garbage they inevitably spew.Kantrip said:
Well I'm just saying, you almost shut down RVS pressure by asking for an explanation when there obviously couldn't be one. It's apparent you couldn't tell what was being done, since you called it into question and all. And yet here you are, patronizing me like you're some sort of god. We're all players in this game, and I'm not going to "back down" ONLY because I'm "up against the big boys".
I am being sincere when I say I didn't intend to insult you, and I'm not even sure where whoever said that got it from. I think it was Inferno, and you're just blindly taking his word. You know, he is one of the scummier slots in this game at the moment. Either way, I'm not sure how you can conclude that a wall is antitown. That post isn't all directed towards you, and it can be taken the same as a series of smaller posts. That it should be disregarded because it's all multiquoted into the same post is aggravating, but hey.
This one. Asdioh said he would choose her to vig of the two of you due to an RVS post and Sang went crazy hostile.
Why do you keep saying later? This is at least the second time you said later. Why not answer now?
First, you haven't seen me crazy hostile. Second, is there are reason you are just bringing this up now, after both Gorf and Asdioh and RF (and probably others) have brought up the same thing? Why is this suddenly so surprising and a reason to call me scum. Now it really does seem like you are just trying to go with the flow while still giving out "information".
I'm sorry, but two plus two is five.
Do you honestly not find RF's and Gorf's posting styles distracting? They are too wordly and therefore I was wonderring why he selectively chose to call one person out on it.
Could you explain where you got this from? Yes, I realize that one post, but it doesn't necessarily make sense why I would try to bring them both down with me then and then later say that I was content with both of them leaning town later.
Later as in after John answers later. Is my answer imperative to the progress of the rest of the day? If I say why John is a scummy scumbag his answer won't be as genuine for why he thinks I'm a townie townbox.
As I said, I didn't read over the Sang stuff until prompted to by J bringing it up. I kind of skimmed over that part as there were more pressing things I felt like responding to. When J brought it up, I went back and looked and saw what others saw, evidently. Why are you deflecting onto me now? If others have pointed it out, it's obviously a thing.
Kay.
You. Have you not noticed there is pressure on you? You're responding to it (in a hostile manner, as some have noticed), and I'm perfectly content to let it run its course.
That's not the point. I'm used to it from Swiss, and sure I may find Gorf's a bit distracting, but the fact is you still deflected to that when Asdioh was calling you out. Whether you are right or not, it's the deflection that's scummy.
Are you asking me to explain why you would call them town later? I believe this is similar to what J said he wouldn't do when I asked, so I feel like I'll say I won't answer either. You were deflecting to them saying that Asdioh should suspect them too, and then later you called them town leans. Okay.
Yeah. I hope we can get the day in multiple directions because I have trouble getting reads on people when all my actions are scrutinized as scummy before they even play out.
