Monk/Honkey/Banana
Smash Champion
Your just mad cause I 3 stocked you that one time....
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A New Rule To Think About: Grab Infinites *Ledge Stall Update*
- Thread starter Sensei Seibrik
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Kagesekan
Smash Journeyman
Have you seen Ike, MK, and G-dubbs ledge stall?
Advent Lee
Smash Ace
Fenrir VII
Smash Master
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Ike? lol... he doesn't belong up there with the others. hehe
Kagesekan
Smash Journeyman
his ledge stall isn't at the same level as the other's, but if you space his upb right only characters who can shoot water or push people in other ways can really mess you up because of his armor frames.
just pointing out that a lot of people don't realize how ******** his recovery is on the ledge
Poltergust
Smash Master
I really don't think that is should be banned. Every infinite is character-specific. If you don't want to be infinited, then choose another character. We have secondaries for a reason, you know.
(And yes, this is coming from a Yoshi main. You shouldn't even be picking Wario in the first place if you are fighting against Yoshi.)
(And yes, this is coming from a Yoshi main. You shouldn't even be picking Wario in the first place if you are fighting against Yoshi.)
petey_did_it
Smash Ace
i dont get mad. you played to win. i will play to win next time......im gonna infinite you.....
your ledge stall isnt stoppable i dont think.
Chain grabbing should not be banned. Chain grabbing was more of a problem in Melee than it is now in Brawl. Marth had a 0-death combo on space animals if they got grabbed and Marth executed everything correctly. The only thing that comes close to that in Brawl is ICs chaingrab but it's very difficult to do.
Standing infinites should be banned. At least wobbling took a timing to be able to do, and it was still banned. Standing infinites in Brawl are just too easy.
Chaingrabs are combos....Ginger, what is it again? Badlands into...badlands into... Well this is smash, so it's grab into grab into....grab..into...TORNADO(only kidding) Maybe we should rethink the word combo in Brawl. Combos in Brawl to me are connecting attacks done one after another that aren't shielded when that person doing the combo is on the offensive(both players can't be set to a neutral position). If they dodge away, but you hit them when they hit the floor while retreating, then it's still a combo.
Ledge camping should not be banned. Although I really hate it and cannot respect anyone as a person or a gamer for doing it, it shouldn't be banned. Like Blatt(w/o revealing your true identity) said, 'just get percent advantage and you're fine." And yes, I've been knocked out of a tournament by a ledge camper.
Standing infinites should be banned. At least wobbling took a timing to be able to do, and it was still banned. Standing infinites in Brawl are just too easy.
Chaingrabs are combos....Ginger, what is it again? Badlands into...badlands into... Well this is smash, so it's grab into grab into....grab..into...TORNADO(only kidding) Maybe we should rethink the word combo in Brawl. Combos in Brawl to me are connecting attacks done one after another that aren't shielded when that person doing the combo is on the offensive(both players can't be set to a neutral position). If they dodge away, but you hit them when they hit the floor while retreating, then it's still a combo.
Ledge camping should not be banned. Although I really hate it and cannot respect anyone as a person or a gamer for doing it, it shouldn't be banned. Like Blatt(w/o revealing your true identity) said, 'just get percent advantage and you're fine." And yes, I've been knocked out of a tournament by a ledge camper.
LOL @ saying CGing in melee is more of a problem than in brawl...
mkGmoney
Smash Ace
You guys are silly... We really shouldn't be banning any of this. If this means a few characters have huge disadvantages against others then so be it. The only things that should be banned are the most extreme stalling techniques (Sonic's neutralB stall under certain stages for example) and anything that just makes it impossible to finish the match (like the ICs freeze glitch in MELEE -- edit: which is a bad example). If you ban one thing then you're just gonna want to ban another... This is as stupid as making a hack for Brawl the competitive answer.
Since everyone is pulling this dumb card... I main Wario and I don't even care. Whatever happened to the mentality of just simply not getting grabbed?
Since everyone is pulling this dumb card... I main Wario and I don't even care. Whatever happened to the mentality of just simply not getting grabbed?
SLyNKee
Smash Journeyman
It wasnt impossible to not finish the match if you got hit by the IC freeze glitch, iceclimbers could get you up to 999% while you are stuck in place (or just rack up enough damage to kill you) lol once you die youd respawn as normal. Imagine if that was never banned and every stock you lost was you just watching them have their way with you. depressing.
Brawl = Grab, down throw, grab, down throw, grab, down throw, grab, down throw, grab, down throw, spike=no kill except on Falco and Wolf.
Melee=Grab up throw, grab up throw, grab upthrow, up tilt, up tilt, up tilt,(insert aerials here), side smash(maybe) kill.
Unban Jungle Japes. I'm sick of people banning the most neutral stage in the game against me just because they're afraid of 2% and 1% lasers.
Melee=Grab up throw, grab up throw, grab upthrow, up tilt, up tilt, up tilt,(insert aerials here), side smash(maybe) kill.
Unban Jungle Japes. I'm sick of people banning the most neutral stage in the game against me just because they're afraid of 2% and 1% lasers.
mkGmoney
Smash Ace
Yeah, if you were to regrab them... or you could just get a percent advantage and wait the match out. I did word that wrong (I'll admit).
It's funny cause your last sentence just reminds me of wobbling.
It's funny cause your last sentence just reminds me of wobbling.
Kagesekan
Smash Journeyman
ROB is funny on that stage.
GeeeMoneeyy (1:50:05 AM): i'd unban homerun bats before i unban jungle japes
You can't just have a forum-wide rule....random people that dont come on the forums go to tournaments ( not that they are threats ) but im saying..for example: say someone doesnt like your rule, and the tournament itself didnt state that rule is active, and he does it....theres nothing you can really do about it. I dont mind these rules but im just saying..
Kagesekan
Smash Journeyman
personally, I know I won't be going to any of seibrik's tourneys
Umby
Smash Master
If you're hosting your tournaments, all the rules in effect should be listed when people enter the venue anyway. The rule in question would be no exeption.
Life After Death
Smash Champion
shoudlnt be banned stop crying kids
Fenrir VII
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uh, you do know that Ike can only upB onto the ledge 5 times, and then he has to get on the stage, right? and also...you do know that's it's really easy to punish that, right?
I gotta agree with Tommy on this one..LOL @ saying CGing in melee is more of a problem than in brawl...
..but not due to marth. Marth's cg was super DIable...and really not impossible to get out of...just had to be smart about it.
However, Sheik single handedly made the lower half of the Melee roster completely unplayable in tournament. Yes, you can link me to matches where random low tier x beat a good Sheik player, but that does not mean the match was not almost unwinnable.
Ganon had a 0-70+ cg on quite a few characters...meaning that somebody like Roy should NEVER beat him.
ICs had some sort of CG on almost every character in the game...a fact which made them quite a good character, and nearly impossible for a large part of the cast...
Yes, it was a larger problem in Melee...
Why not? A good Wario shouldn't have problems against a Yoshi, because a good Wario shouldn't be getting grabbed by Yoshi, and Yoshi can't compete in other areas.
I PREFER THE AIR
GA Peach
Smash Lord
i can't believe all this stuff has come up with this game and people still play it...i guess if you stand for nothing, you'll fall for anything
Blatt Blvd
Smash Ace
Marth had chain grabs on the 2 most ridiculous characters in Melee.
It made both of those match ups even or close to it.
Shiek was Shiek.
There's nothing wrong with chain grabs/standing grabs/ness/lucas grab/zelda/yoshi/wario/balh blah blah.
It's apart of smash.
Play 2 or 3 characters and end this thread.
It made both of those match ups even or close to it.
Shiek was Shiek.
There's nothing wrong with chain grabs/standing grabs/ness/lucas grab/zelda/yoshi/wario/balh blah blah.
It's apart of smash.
Play 2 or 3 characters and end this thread.
Kagesekan
Smash Journeyman
win of epic proportions
Pritch
Smash Lord
I would argue that while sheik's chainthrows certainly didn't help matters for them, you'd still be pretty hard pressed to see pikachus, links, roys, nesses, and etc going that far in tournaments (exceptional players like A-L, sethlon, skler, and etc aside, and even there I wouldn't expect them to be winning). There's still spacies, falcon, marth, peach, etc, all of whom have huge advantages against them too. It's not like they would magically not be low tier if sheik didn't exist. Pika would still have bad damage output, roy would still be like marth with less damage and comboability, link would still be slow and punishable, etc, etc.
Blatt Blvd
Smash Ace
In the PAL version Sheik can't chain grab, and she's still top 3.