A message for the whiners

[RyokoYaksa]

And I strongly dislike people who whine about whiners.

I dislike people who spend time making completely incomprehensible complaints about stuff they know nothing about, especially when they don't bother to come up with a reason. I'm not trying to hint anything here.

I updated the first post slightly to reflect the passage of time.

 

[Tobi-]

Look, if you want me to stop posting, just say STOP POSTING CRAP. Because I will.

I don't care about how many posts I make. If I did, I could easily have 100 right now. It doesn't matter to me. I just reply a lot. I don't care about my post count.

That's good for you, but I really wasn't talking to you.

Also, You can't tell someone to "STOP POSTING CRAP" and expect them to obey. They'll just flame you back and post more. We can't assume everyone is like you.


To the people who say they dislike whiners who complain about whiners...What the hell? Did you even just think about what you typed? Sounds too contradictory to say that. What do you think you are doing when you just posted that?..

 

[Malkun]

i think we all can agree with someone in this thread....

 

[Teeb147]

Seriously though people, stop whining.

 

[Harry Megamix]

In response to the first post:

 

[Eight Sage]

This thread shall come whenever someone makes something like this... http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=127241

 

[brawlmaniac]

Agreed. These whiners need to get a grip and feel lucky that brawl is even coming out...

 

[Teeb147]

update whiners, stop whining.

You make the boards annoying to read.

 

[brawlmaniac]

Megamix! lmao! Nice pic

 

[Saor Gael]

I may be 14 pages too late, but thank you. I had noticed and been put off by how much whining there is on here.

 

[Espy Rose]

In short, I can sum up this rant in three, very simple words:

GET. OVER. YOURSELVES. Not everything is about spoonfeeding you from a silver platter every weekday. And yes, I do have to read your mindless drivel.
/rant off

I'm not a complainer or whatnot, although I did have a dislike or "some" updates, like everyone else. Why I'm telling you this is so you don't take this the wrong way.


What's so funny about your rant is that it wont change a **** thing. People will still *****, moan, and whine until they are satisfied.

And you want to know what makes this rant even more laughable?

You can do a **** thing about it.

It's blunt, and as strange as it sounds, it's truth.

I'm pretty sure you are aware of this yourself already, just wanted to remind you.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I'm not a complainer or whatnot, although I did have a dislike or "some" updates, like everyone else. Why I'm telling you this is so you don't take this the wrong way.


What's so funny about your rant is that it wont change a **** thing. People will still *****, moan, and whine until they are satisfied.

And you want to know what makes this rant even more laughable?

You can do a **** thing about it.

It's blunt, and as strange as it sounds, it's truth.

I'm pretty sure you are aware of this yourself already, just wanted to remind you.

QFT. This is pretty much what I wanted to say.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Banana_Dragon]

First of all, yes I like this thread! Yes I do agree with the first post! And I right now AM voicing my opinion and know that I will not be banned or get an infraction point!
SEE guys? You CAN voice your opinion on these boards!

Do I agree with the first post because the poster happens to be a moderator? No, if I don't agree with a moderator then I'll let that person know all the same. If the original poster was a "smash n00b" I'd still applaud this thread!

So, obviously I just expressed an opinion without whining.
"How did he DO this?" You may ask yourself.
Well, since I'm a nice guy and all that, let me help you out.

First of all, one needs the great art of understanding that there is a clear difference between whining and expressing an opinion.

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
whine (hwīn, wīn) Pronunciation Key
v. whined, whin·ing, whines

v. intr.

To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound, as in pain, fear, supplication, or complaint.
To complain or protest in a childish fashion.
To produce a sustained noise of relatively high pitch: jet engines whining.
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Ahah! It says "in a childish fashion."
You can complain about something and express general dislike in a more mature fashion as well.

Here's a step by step guide how to do this:

Step 1 - Back your opinion up
This is very simple. Instead of saying "I hate this, this sucks" you say "I hate this, because: [insert argument here]" and there ya go! You managed to explain yourself!
Step 2 - Make sure you think out your arguments before you post them
This is done by applying logic to your statement. A bad example would be "I dislike snow because chocolate is brown". This is a statement that doesn't make sense and you want to avoid that. A good example would be "I dislike snow because it makes for slippery roads and it's cold. This sucks when I have to drive to work, and I generally prefer the warmth of the summer."
Step 3 - Don't bash
Yeah, don't do it. Criticism is okay, but when you criticise you do this because you think it could be better, right? Then feel free to tell people what exactly you think would make it better! That would be expressing YOUR opinion EVEN MORE! And you love to express your opinion, so why not express all of it? Only pointing out flaws while adding nothing to what could be improved makes you "very" whiney.

There, by applying this guide next time you post your complaints, you are less likely to get flamed, less likely to get your thread closed and come off as more intelligent.

A few more important things: If you share the same opinion with someone, just tell them that you do and don't post a new thread about it, you agree on the same subject anyway and all opinions are of the same value. Your thread is not gonna be the better one because you have the same opinion but "you" made it.
If your opinion would fit inside an already existing discussion, then add it there instead of making a new thread. That way you're adding constructive (assuming you apply the above guide) criticism to an ongoing debate! You'll really seem that much more intelligent!

Have a nice day y'all, and once again, I applaud this thread! (Or at least it's first post and some others)

 

[DeuceBlade]

The less interesting updates only build up hype for better ones, imo.

 

[SirroMinus1]

The whiners will be complete noobs and the only ones disconnecting in rankless matches.

 

[DarkDeoxys26]

No seriously, this thread deserves a good applause. There is completely NO point in complaining about something that is not under YOUR control. Yell at people, scream in pillows, and kick puppies about these updates and see if Sakurai even gives a crap. Seriously, if you don't like an update, it's not another person's job to listen to your crap about something you are recieving for free. Heck, would you rather have Sakurai just stop taking time on these updates and work on the game more instead? He's doing something to please us, the fans, and among the fans there are many people that are newbs. "You must recover!" is not directed towards people who know how to SHFFL and Wavedash like crazy. And like the topic starter said, you are being plainly selfish to only shroud your own opinion upon the updates because there are other people in the world.

 

[battousai555]

There is completely NO point in complaining about something that is not under YOUR control.

Exactly! So, using that logic, there is no point in complaining about people who complain? If so, I shall award you with two internets (that's a lot).

 

[Fawriel]

Exactly! So, using that logic, there is no point in complaining about people who complain? If so, I shall award you with two internets (that's a lot).

But by complaining about complainers in the place they complain in, you can at least possibly accomplish that the amount of complaining decreases.
On the other hand, you can complain as much as you want, Sakurai won't even know you are doing it.
So unless someone manages to somehow get Sakurai over here to read all our millions of complaints, there's no use in complaining and all it accomplishes is to be annoying.

 

[Teeb147]

But by complaining about complainers in the place they complain in, you can at least possibly accomplish that the amount of complaining decreases.
On the other hand, you can complain as much as you want, Sakurai won't even know you are doing it.
So unless someone manages to somehow get Sakurai over here to read all our millions of complaints, there's no use in complaining and all it accomplishes is to be annoying.

Good logic.

Im not complaining about people complaining, I just want them to stop, and be considerate of people who get annoyed by people constantly complaining.

 

[Espy Rose]

Good logic.

Im not complaining about people complaining, I just want them to stop, and be considerate of people who get annoyed by people constantly complaining.

No, you guys who are complaining about complainers ARE complaining. You are just doing it in a more dignified manner.

Get over yourselves. Let anyone who wishes to whine, whine. The best you guys could do is ignore it.

By pointing this out, you risk people whining even more, just to grab attention.

 

[Teeb147]

No, you guys who are complaining about complainers ARE complaining. You are just doing it in a more dignified manner.

Get over yourselves. Let anyone who wishes to whine, whine. The best you guys could do is ignore it.

By pointing this out, you risk people whining even more, just to grab attention.

I'll let them whine if they want, but it still annoys me to read through whining. A mean way to solve it...would be to just insult people who whine all the time to make them stop.. or annoy them.

 

[Espy Rose]

I'll let them whine if they want, but it still annoys me to read through whining. A mean way to solve it...would be to just insult people who whine all the time to make them stop.. or annoy them.

If people wanted to solve it that way, by all means, they should just go ahead and do it. It's their ***** if a mod/admin spots them doing it.

Complaining is not a crime, so noone can really stop it.

 

[Banana_Dragon]

Well, I agree with Puffball on this one.
As I stated before, "complaining" is nothing wrong. Expressing dislike is complaining already. And if we can only say what we like and nothing else then well... what's the point of a discussion forum anyway then?
The only thing you can do is try to address people that if they complain, that they give a reason as to why they're complaining, see if there's already someone they might share their opinion with or see if it fits in an existing debate and that they post their complaint in the proper thread (or forum if there really isn't a thread yet that it would fit in)
That way you can even turn complaints into constructive discussion material! I'm all for that.

 

[Teeb147]

Yeh but most people will just say : this update sucks, and to me that's kinda stupid.

But you're right, can't do anything about whining.. but Im telling you if you ruin my enjoyment of an update with you're whining... well, I dunno, I guess I wont like you very much, thats about it.

 

[Banana_Dragon]

@Teeb

I understand you completely. Like I said, "this sucks" adds nothing and just takes up space.
However, if people express their dislike, say "why exactly" they dislike it and add what could be better about and stress that it's only their opinion and others need not to share it. Would that really be that bothersome?
And you can always just avoid discussion anyway That's much easier than avoiding pages of spammed topics

 

[Xanderous]

The updates have been **** lately. I know you all want to appear HONORABLE, but cut the charade. An update about something I know about is not an update at all. Had he completely forgone those updates for new ones, I would be content and anyone checking the site (who hadn't seen E4All) would not know the difference.

 

[flyinfilipino]

The updates have been **** lately. I know you all want to appear HONORABLE, but cut the charade. An update about something I know about is not an update at all. Had he completely forgone those updates for new ones, I would be content and anyone checking the site (who hadn't seen E4All) would not know the difference.

So you'd totally leave everyone else who hadn't seen the EforAll videos out of the stuff we'd already seen? That sounds pretty selfish.

 

[Xanderous]

So you'd totally leave everyone else who hadn't seen the EforAll videos out of the stuff we'd already seen? That sounds pretty selfish.

They wouldn't know the difference and they probably don't even know when the game is coming out. It doesn't affect them in any way.

 

[flyinfilipino]

They wouldn't know the difference and they probably don't even know when the game is coming out. It doesn't affect them in any way.

That's a pretty big generalization there.

 

[Xanderous]

Not really. If they care about the game that much, they'd be watching E 4 All videos.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Not really. If they care about the game that much, they'd be watching E 4 All videos.

Just keep in mind that you (we) are not the only ones the updates are made for. Sakurai or whoever's in charge of putting them up probably don't know what we've seen and what we haven't.

 

[Banana_Dragon]

Why doesn't anyone get the point that people were NOT SUPPOSED to be filming at E for All and that we were NOT SUPPOSED to see any of the video's? It's really our fault that we can't wait long enough and want to spoil ourselves.
But at least you (Xanderous) sound intelligent and use arguments, I like that, I respect that attitude. I don't necessarily agree with your stance however... We weren't supposed to see anything at all from E for All, we weren't supposed to know a difference either.

 

[Fawriel]

There's nothing wrong in itself with complaining, the problem is when there's too much of it, either over time or by the sheer number of people complaining. By now we can all agree that the updates are no fun lately. It's quite confounding when someone posts a complaint in a manner that almost seems to suggest that we didn't already notice... "Yo, I think the updates lately have been the total pits and stuff, you know." "Well I'll be ****ed, I had NO idea!"

The updates have been crappy lately. Lucas shouldn't use Starstorm as his Final Smash. I want something cool to be excited about soon.

Done!
*goes do something productive*

 

[RyNo 86]

I believe that by saying the updates suck you condradict yourself. You may not think that PK star storm should be lucas's fs doesn't meen that someone else might not think it's cool. I think the updates this week were decent. Fire Mario made my day. I've never played a game with Lucas in it nor will I use him so it doesn't effect me what his fs is, but all the people out there that are going to use lucas might enjoy the star storm. Now I admit the post about charge special moves wasn't needed, but theres no need to complain.

 

[Xanderous]

Nobody's talking about today's update, Ryno. It was totally badass.

 

[RyNo 86]

The updates have been crappy lately. Lucas shouldn't use Starstorm as his Final Smash. I want something cool to be excited about soon.

That's today's update.

 

[brawlmaniac]

Why doesn't anyone get the point that people were NOT SUPPOSED to be filming at E for All and that we were NOT SUPPOSED to see any of the video's? It's really our fault that we can't wait long enough and want to spoil ourselves.
But at least you (Xanderous) sound intelligent and use arguments, I like that, I respect that attitude. I don't necessarily agree with your stance however... We weren't supposed to see anything at all from E for All, we weren't supposed to know a difference either.

Now I feel bad for looking at those E for All videos on youtube

 

[DarkDeoxys26]

Exactly! So, using that logic, there is no point in complaining about people who complain? If so, I shall award you with two internets (that's a lot).

There would be no complaining about complaining if people had that same logic in the first place. Simply look at the website, click the back button, and move on with your lives. And technically, we can change this. Because it's right in front of our faces. Sakurai can't even see these annoying complaints. And look at it like this, Sakurai's updates are a positive thing for us, these complaints are blatantly not.

 

[RyNo 86]

I agree, but just because we have enough logic not to complain about someone telling use about a game 3 months from releasing doens't mean everyone does. Even if we stop complaining there will still be others that will, and maybe some people just need to vent. I, too, am sick of listening to people complain about the game. If the updates sakurai puts up don't directly effect the way I'm going to play the game.

 

[Xanderous]

That's today's update.

Whoopsies!