A message for the whiners

[GreenKirby]

1st of all, no need to swear. If you disagree with me then act civilized.

Ok well there is a difference between acting like a brat and expressing you opinion.

Brat: WTF THT WAZ A WAST OF TIME IT WAZ FUXORING GAI!!1!1!

Opinion: That was kind of a lame update. We pretty much already knew that.

Get the difference? Now I would like to raise another topic; politeness. We all like these boards and would like to see them progress, but we can NEVER do that if we call eachother names, or critisize in a disrespectable way.

You also have to remember that just because we've seen at E for All doesn't mean we were suppose to. So when we get an update we've "already seen." Don't be upset. Not Sakurai's fault we ate the forbidden fruit.

And yes, some people here still act bratty. When you've make petty topics saying that the week sucked, that's bratty. Hell, when the stage creator was revealed, some people were ungrateful. When a new stage is revealed, some people ungrateful because 'it might be tourney banned.'

As for politeness, a lot of people saying an update was a waste is also impolite. It gets real old. Especially considering not everyone knew about it. Hell, some people could like 'You must Recover.'

 

[Fawriel]

Everyone who equates "don't whine" with "don't have an opinion" should really try to look at themselves critically.

That is not what this is about.

Someone said that this "whining" is constructive or something, but it's far from that, it's just annoying. If you have an opinion, that's fine. Except everyone has an opinion on everything. If you disliked the last few updates, way to go, that's your business, but what makes you think that that opinion is groundbreaking enough to warrant posting hundreds of posts about it?
That is really what this is about. If just a handful of people were complaining, well, let them. But like half the population of these forums seems to find it important enough to declare that "this was the best week of updates so far [/sarcasm]". Well NO KIDDING, I noticed THAT, too.

The point of this topic is not that you're supposed to be eternally grateful for getting anything at all, at least I think it isn't.
Instead, if there's an update that doesn't interest you, just say "whatever" and move on, and if it's something awesome, be happy.
The only thing Sakurai is betraying is the expectations that you have made for yourselves.


To be fair, whining about whiners is whining, but it's at least a bit more constructive because whining about updates in some forum where Sakurai won't read it is pretty much ineffectual. Except maybe for therapeutical purposes or something.

 

[Devastlian]

...

There is a thread like that in the Dojo discussion area. Actually, there're, like, five of them. This thread is addressing the people that make threads in the wrong place without much substance to them. There're posts that say stuff like "today's update was lame" or "this week sucks" in pretty much every character support thread and whatnot. I could care less what people think about each update (in fact I was somewhat disappointed by the Handicap one because it just seems so trivial) but these things should be discussion worthy.

Spoiler

Unless they're funny.

Also, about the whole topic of updates covering information we know. We get updates on that stuff because it's not on website. ...It's that simple. The Dojo is supposed to be a complete reference site for everything to do with SSBB and not solely a place for them to wow us every weekday with something we were hoping for or will surprise us. So, if it's not on the website, then it'll get an update and whether or not it's a single or multiple update depends completely on the update type.

So ya, discussion worthy posts in the right place is great. Just *****ing wherever is bad. And try and actually understand what you're talking about. (That last one was to sum up RyokoYaksa's post.)

Also, what Fawriel said.

 

[Super_alex2]

You also have to remember that just because we've seen at E for All doesn't mean we were suppose to. So when we get an update we've "already seen." Don't be upset. Not Sakurai's fault we ate the forbidden fruit.

And yes, some people here still act bratty. When you've make petty topics saying that the week sucked, that's bratty. Hell, when the stage creator was revealed, some people were ungrateful. When a new stage is revealed, some people ungrateful because 'it might be tourney banned.'

As for politeness, a lot of people saying an update was a waste is also impolite. It gets real old. Especially considering not everyone knew about it. Hell, some people could like 'You must Recover.'

Alright well I'm not exactly talking about EforAll, just things that we really didn't need an update to know about.

And yes, there is no doubt that the people that make threads that say "This week sucked" are acting childish, I agree with you on that. I just think that every thread that critisizes Sakurai in some way shouldn't be closed down within the first 5 posts.

I'd also like to clear up that I'm not a competitive player, nor am I a casual player. I'm about right in the middle. I have friends that are casual players, I have friends that are competitive players, and I have Friends that are "middle" players. None of them liked the update today.

We really just think that something so mainstream (at least in multiplayer games) needs an entrance. The updates I would like to get are not the "WTF HOLY CRAP" updates, that is just to unrealistic to get all the time. Nor would I like to get "you must recover" everyday untill it is released. I think that the "hmm thats cool" updates would tide everyone over, and occasionaly get a "you must recover" everyonce and a while. I know there is no way to avoid it, but to spice up the week a little wouldn't blow up the internet.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Well, there's only so many updates that are 'wow, that's neat' and so many updates that are 'ZOMG that's AWESOME' that can be done between now and the delayed release. There's not an unlimited amount of exciting stuff to show off. You'll just have to suck up the inevitable 'oh. wow.' updates that will fill in the gaps.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Meh, but its not the service some people complain about. I agree that it goes too far when people blame the developers for not putting up a new character or something on the site, but sometimes you might not have liked the nerfs to this character, or wanna say ''OMG thats awesome that my main, mario got a boost''

But your thread is stating the obvious, but if it gets through to a few people I think its worth it. But complaining about whats in the game, or whats changed from the previous one, is part of the discussion, just as much as loving some new inovations, or seeing a nice improvement to a weaker character in a change of hitbox or move or whatever.

 

[2007]

still, when people say: "Sakurai I hate you" for deconfirming someone pathetic like an AC character (just an example) that's pathetic, n00bish, and lame.
when people turn to each other to discuss it, it might be justified. (example)
2007: hey Dylan, that update about what are pokeballs sucked.
Dylan_Tnga: yeah it did.

So basically, don't go bashing Sakurai for what he's doing. you can think it sucks, but that's not going to change anything.
(that's not directed at anyone in particular, just everyone)
BTW, Dylan's name was used as an example.
=2007=

 

[Pluvia's other account]

It's all just opinions people. There are people like this all over the place, some just whine because they're spoilt.

 

[wisewaters]

Good job. I agree that this needs to be a sticky.

And I'm generally positive about the updates. In fact I even try the "Look on the bright side" apporach sometimes to give people some thing else to look forward to. (But it gets ignored mostly)I don't complain about them as bad as some others do. And if you don't believe my statements, then just check all my posts. I haven't got that much on there.
I haven't played Melee or Smash 64, so what ever gets removed doesn't come as a blow to me.

 

[LavisFiend]

The vast populace of smashers are 13-16...

Of course there will be whining; they're kids.

 

[ToyzSoldier]

As soon as I saw egruntz post on the first page, I knew anyone who was a whiner would take that post and stick it in one ear and out the other. Its really evident in egruntz post too, he stated points for his reasons for being negative that were precisely countered by the thread starters argument. Does anyone really expect that some whiner will take this as their divine revelation, and they will forever repent of their wrong doings and never be negative again? Its really unlikely that anyone would change their mind, just because it can't be done in a one-two punch such as this. For the most part I've noticed people are just plain ignorant of anyones attempt to 'convert' the negative people despite how well their arguments are. The most this thread would do, is fuel the positive thinkers, but do little or actually provoke the negative thinkers.

The best way to 'convert' the negative people is to examplify your positiveness if you are already positive. By far, I've seen more people 'convert' to optimism because of that Positive Brawl Thread, and it never directly attacked the pessimists, but only glorified optimism more. If anyone could prove me wrong though, that this thread actually changed someone, please do tell. I'd rather believe in the good of people. Eh sorry if this is hard understand.

 

[LavisFiend]

As soon as I saw egruntz post on the first page, I knew anyone who was a whiner would take that post and stick it in one ear and out the other. Its really evident in egruntz post too, he stated points for his reasons for being negative that were precisely countered by the thread starters argument. Does anyone really expect that some whiner will take this as their divine revelation, and they will forever repent of their wrong doings and never be negative again? Its really unlikely that anyone would change their mind, just because it can't be done in a one-two punch such as this. For the most part I've noticed people are just plain ignorant of anyones attempt to 'convert' the negative people despite how well their arguments are. The most this thread would do, is fuel the positive thinkers, but do little or actually provoke the negative thinkers.

The best way to 'convert' the negative people is to examplify your positiveness if you are already positive. By far, I've seen more people 'convert' to optimism because of that Positive Brawl Thread, and it never directly attacked the pessimists, but only glorified optimism more. If anyone could prove me wrong though, that this thread actually changed someone, please do tell. I'd rather believe in the good of people. Eh sorry if this is hard understand.

Understood completely.

TC is just another notch in the long line of whiner-bashers.

He's nothing special really.

but it just goes to show you how inevitable it is that a person will make the same thread when he gets fed up with whining.

 

[volbound1700]

still, when people say: "Sakurai I hate you" for deconfirming someone pathetic like an AC character (just an example) that's pathetic, n00bish, and lame.
when people turn to each other to discuss it, it might be justified. (example)
2007: hey Dylan, that update about what are pokeballs sucked.
Dylan_Tnga: yeah it did.

So basically, don't go bashing Sakurai for what he's doing. you can think it sucks, but that's not going to change anything.
(that's not directed at anyone in particular, just everyone)
BTW, Dylan's name was used as an example.
=2007=

I have never seen a thread that said that. I see threads closed for saying stuff like these week updates weren't as good as the past or I wish we could get a character update, it has been almost 3 weeks since char or blah blah... Yeah, maybe you don't agree with what they are posting but that doesn't mean the thread should be locked everytime someone makes a post about brawl. At least they are talking about brawl. Post should be locked if they have bad material in them or are offensive.

 

[Tobi-]

I have never seen a thread that said that. I see threads closed for saying stuff like these week updates weren't as good as the past or I wish we could get a character update, it has been almost 3 weeks since char or blah blah... Yeah, maybe you don't agree with what they are posting but that doesn't mean the thread should be locked everytime someone makes a post about brawl. At least they are talking about brawl. Post should be locked if they have bad material in them or are offensive.

In that case this forum would be another GameFaq's. People at Gamefaq's "express" their opinion, correct? But do they do it in a mature manner? No. That's the seperation from Smash Boards to GameFaq's.

stuff like these week updates weren't as good as the past or I wish we could get a character update

This is what the Mods hate. Making a thread about "these updates sucked!" isn't going to go anywhere, and we already know you'll just be flammed for it, so what's better to do? Lock it. Nobody wants to come to Smash Boards just to see "This update sucked again" threads all over the place with negtivity.Most of time people don't even have valid arguments to defend their opinon except blatant insults. Again, GameFaq behavior. Really? What are you trying to accomplish in telling everyone you personally hate the updates? Do you believe if people agree with you it will solve the issue or make you feel better?

And correct if I'm wrong, I do believe you even made a thread that locked, which was the prime example of a blatant insult with no kind of back up what so ever. We'll what do you want us to do about it? Petition him and demand perfect updates every single week so we all can be spoiled-rotton before the game is released?

I don't think so.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

As I said before, sure we complain that some of the updates are crap and you know why, b/c they are. I get all of your points, but still do we need an update about things that are obvious to even the youngest of the smash gamers or do we need to see something better than simple controls on how to taunt and etc. If they wasn't updates like these, we wouldn't complain. No disrespect was intended when I posted this.

 

[Tobi-]

As I said before, sure we complain that some of the updates are crap and you know why, b/c they are. I get all of your points, but still do we need an update about things that are obvious to even the youngest of the smash gamers or do we need to see something better than simple controls on how to taunt and etc. If they wasn't updates like these, we wouldn't complain. No disrespect was intended when I posted this.

Yes we do. How else do you think it's possible to over from now until Feburary 10th, posting an "update" for the game every single day of the week? I would have much liked it to just updated randomly, not every day.

And yes, "we" as in people would even complain if they posted good updates everyday. Why? They'd say they were spoiling the entire game. Heck, we already know about 20 minutes into the SSE story-mode already if that isnt bad enough, and suppously unlockables.

I don't really call updates "crap". I just say they are minor updates that furtur help with the pacing of the major updates. Dang folks we serously have gotten to use commen sense here.

Really, you can't say the update is utter crap unless they say "sonic is taken out of the game", or the game is delayed another 5 months. Something along those lines is what I consider, "crappy" updates.

 

[Lunytunes4.4]

the only update that i hated was the delay of course<_<

 

[Blubba_Pinecone]

Bravo, bravo indeed!

I do admit though that I have had my moments when I wished that a certain day bore to me a more excitable update, but I also understand these aspects and just grit my teeth and bear it. And it's really not that bad. I've actually come to like the smaller updates as well as the large ones! And like you said, it's much, MUCH, better than having no information at all, or from outside sources.


In fact, this week, I liked the taunting update quite a bit. =D lol. But that's somewhat biased, considering I'm a huge LoZ fan and main Link. =P But even still I like the update very much.

 

[volbound1700]

In that case this forum would be another GameFaq's. People at Gamefaq's "express" their opinion, correct? But do they do it in a mature manner? No. That's the seperation from Smash Boards to GameFaq's.




This is what the Mods hate. Making a thread about "these updates sucked!" isn't going to go anywhere, and we already know you'll just be flammed for it, so what's better to do? Lock it. Nobody wants to come to Smash Boards just to see "This update sucked again" threads all over the place with negtivity.Most of time people don't even have valid arguments to defend their opinon except blatant insults. Again, GameFaq behavior. Really? What are you trying to accomplish in telling everyone you personally hate the updates? Do you believe if people agree with you it will solve the issue or make you feel better?

And correct if I'm wrong, I do believe you even made a thread that locked, which was the prime example of a blatant insult with no kind of back up what so ever. We'll what do you want us to do about it? Petition him and demand perfect updates every single week so we all can be spoiled-rotton before the game is released?

I don't think so.

LOL Sakurai doesn't care about what one person thinks of his update and I wouldn't bother wasting his time complaining about it. I just want something to talk about on this board. People come here to burn time. I say just leave one of them open and everyone will post in it, if you close them, more people just start threads. I also get very annoyed about people flaming starters of threads that have already been made here is why:

Ok they tell you to search for a topic, then you find it and it is over 500 pages long. You have to read it to get the gyst of the argument (all 500 or more pages!) or you can post blind. You post blind and then get flamed for not reading a post on page 405 that already addressed your topic.

You see the issue here? (Note: I don't necessarily start threads that are repetitive, I am just getting tired of people flaming anyone that starts one that sort of resembles another thread).

 

[volbound1700]

Although the title s.u.c.ks a.s.s, thanks to the OP for starting this thread. This debate needed to happen and has seen some decent responses once you get to the third page or so and get past the s.u.c.k ups.

 

[Salaad]

Maybe instead of waiting around all day for an update, we can get on with our lifes so noone can ***** anymore about updates. You don't NEED to stay up until 2 A.M. to see an update, do you?

 

[XCWarrior]

the only update that i hated was the delay of course<_<

That might be the best post in this entire thread.

Agreed. Anything that is in the game or about the game is a good thing.

Just no more delays, lol

Maybe instead of waiting around all day for an update, we can get on with our lifes so no one can ***** anymore about updates. You don't NEED to stay up until 2 A.M. to see an update, do you?

I have never done that. It's not like the update won't be there if you sleep through the night and see it in the morning. And definitely not worth it currently.

 

[GreenKirby]

And take today's update for example. You basically say that showing MetaKnight's moveset was redundant, but I wanted to discuss the music update at least cause I fell in love with it. And instead, I had to suffer through yet another 5 pages of complaining.

5 pages of b****ing! That's crazy! >_>

 

[flyinfilipino]

To everyone saying this is the worst week of updates, check out the first week of updates ever:

-List of musicians (bah, no one cares about the music in this game)
-Battlefield (pshhh, everyone already knew about it!)
-Mario and Link (ZOMG characterz!!!! duhhhhhhh)
-Gooey Bomb (another useless item...)
-Pit (O RLY?)

whine whine complain complain....

 

[Fawriel]

... people actually dared to ***** about today's update, when it almost seems like Sakurai actually reacted to everyone wining about "old" updates we already saw at E4All and actually gave us a double update, one of which was a **** awesome song?
Grarr.

Well... *sigh* ... I hear tomorrow is Shigeru Miyamoto's birthday. You may expect something good then.

 

[volbound1700]

Maybe instead of waiting around all day for an update, we can get on with our lifes so noone can ***** anymore about updates. You don't NEED to stay up until 2 A.M. to see an update, do you?

I don't, I always check when I wake up. I mostly post on here while I am at work or in class at school. So I am not doing anything but sitting around staring at a computer screen anyways.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Good post...




But the update is still lame. :/

And these whole 3 weeks have been addressed to those casual players, or at least it looks that way.

Like, it's about time for the hardcores? In my book, if it ain't new... it certainly ain't NEWS.

Would you still be optimistic if Sakurai decided to go in-depth with all B-moves, How to Play, or add old videos we've already seen?

I bet you would still be optimistic in here, but you'd be rotting in the insides with anger.

I'm prety honest with my feelings (not saying you are not. Bless you if you found this update to be good), but I swear I might as well stop looking at these updates and I'm sure I won't miss them.. :/

those are my 2 cents.



(any flaming attempt from anyone will result in flamer being ignored. So be civilized about different POVs)

 

[flyinfilipino]

Well, about half the updates from the last three weeks were from E-for-All. So if you didn't spoil it by watching the videos, they would've been new. I'd say to prepare yourself for a little more disappointment in a few upcoming updates if you continue to look at them.

Also, is the only thing people look forward to character updates? There can't be a character update everyday, sorry.

 

[Professor X]

When Sakurai himself is qualifying the updates as redundant (and this wasn't the first), I think some complaining is justified. But complaining about complaining, that there makes all the sense in the world.

 

[XCWarrior]

Well, about half the updates from the last three weeks were from E-for-All. So if you didn't spoil it by watching the videos, they would've been new. I'd say to prepare yourself for a little more disappointment in a few upcoming updates if you continue to look at them.

Also, is the only thing people look forward to character updates? There can't be a character update everyday, sorry.

This is why I haven't really watched any of the E for All videos, let alone analyze them.

To everyone saying this is the worst week of updates, check out the first week of updates ever:

-List of musicians (bah, no one cares about the music in this game)
-Battlefield (pshhh, everyone already knew about it!)
-Mario and Link (ZOMG characterz!!!! duhhhhhhh)
-Gooey Bomb (another useless item...)
-Pit (O RLY?)

whine whine complain complain....

Are you joking? The announcement of Pit was HUGE. And the musicians are more important than you think. When you see Square Enix is helping, that opens possibilities. That was a good week of updates.

And honestly I didn't think Mario or Link would be in the game. I mean who has ever heard of them anyway?




(That last part is sarcasm in case you didn't pick up on it...)

 

[GreenKirby]

Square Enix isn't helping. Those musicians just became freelancers.

 

[flyinfilipino]

I was kind of joking with that post. (Well, we already knew about Pit fom the trailers) And I do appreciate all the music in the game; I hope what we've got so far is jsut the begininng.

 

[XCWarrior]

Square Enix isn't helping. Those musicians just became freelancers.

And your source is? I thought it made the chances of at least getting Sora were pretty good. That's better than nothing.

 

[shinhed-echi]

Uematsu isn't directly working with Square now. (He's possibly half retired)

Neither is Yasunori Mitsuda.

I don't know about the KHs composer, though. Not THAT big of a fan of KH.

 

[Boofer]

I think it's only natural for people to want these major updates. See, I dislike weeks without major updates (characters specifically) because it worries me about the final amount of characters. I fear we'll get below 35, and with the current amout of character updates it looks like that is very possible.

 

[XCWarrior]

I think it's only natural for people to want these major updates. See, I dislike weeks without major updates (characters specifically) because it worries me about the final amount of characters. I fear we'll get below 35, and with the current amout of character updates it looks like that is very possible.

How do you figure? As I've said before, they announce one more character before Feb. 10. That puts us at 24. Then they could have 12 unlockable characters that will hopefully take some time to unlock. I don't want to know every character before we get the game.

This is why on Jan. 24 I will stop coming here. I'm not getting spoiled to death and having nothing to look forward to then I buy the game. I want some surprises.

I will come back eventually, just after I've unlocked a ton...

 

[GreenKirby]

And your source is? I thought it made the chances of at least getting Sora were pretty good. That's better than nothing.

shinhed-echi said it.

And how many times do we have to go through this? Just because they brought in musicians who worked with Kingdom Hearts does NOT I repeat doeS NOT mean Sora's in Brawl.

By that logic, NiGHTS would be in Brawl as well and it's more deserving than Sora.

I think it's only natural for people to want these major updates. See, I dislike weeks without major updates (characters specifically) because it worries me about the final amount of characters. I fear we'll get below 35, and with the current amout of character updates it looks like that is very possible.

They won't announced the hidden characters till around the release date. So whether there are 35 total characters or 100, it wouldn't matter if the starting roster is 25.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

God, everyone has a right to complain and criticize, there's nothing wrong with it.

The alternative is nothing, yes, but that doesn't mean what we do get is 'lacking' or 'flawed'. I'm completely appreciative of the updates but some day I just think "Wow, LAME". And there's nothing wrong with that.

We all live on Earth, I'm greatful for Earth, and I realize there is no alternative, but there are simply, realistically, and PLAINLY some things some people don't like about Earth. Like rain.

I can not stand when people come out like this and basically say "Sit down and shut up". When people point out flaws or concerns it is a chance to learn and grow.

Now people who simply say stuff like "LAME" and leave it at that with no explanation... Well, that just annoys me even MORE.

 

[GreenKirby]

Stupid, you totally missed the point of this thread.

He's NOT telling you that you can't complain.

He's telling you that you don't have to be complaining about every little thing and then demanding what you wanna see. Sheesh.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

That was more or less a general message. I agree.