A justification for BURNING FORMALDEHYDE

[Pikaville]

so would you rather die by getting shot or being high as hell? i think i'll take a third option

There are people who wouldn't choose high as hell?

What is this......

*Lights up a smoke*

You got your smoking ban you whiney *****es, let us smoke in peace, there are far worse things to worry about than some god **** occasional second hand smoke floating into your face for **** sake.

The fact I now have to smoke outside during winter is leading me to get colds more frequently, therefore the fact is that anti smokers are a direct threat to my health.

 

[BBQTV]

There are people who wouldn't choose high as hell?

What is this......

*Lights up a smoke*

You got your smoking ban you whiney *****es, let us smoke in peace, there are far worse things to worry about than some god **** occasional second hand smoke floating into your face for **** sake.

The fact I now have to smoke outside during winter is leading me to get colds more frequently, therefore the fact is that anti smokers are a direct thread to my health.

your smoking your already a threat to yourself lol

 

[Pikaville]

No because I've never become sick from smoking.....yet.

 

[Masmasher@]

your smoking your already a threat to yourself lol

this

dont blame anti for your problems lmao

 

[Fuelbi]

You know, I completely expected this to be closed the first time I read this

 

[jugfingers]

Yes, but the point of an analogy is to show a similarity between things. In Goldie's case, both typing on the keyboard and inhaling a little bit of secondhand smoke occasionally have a very negligible effect on anything.

the point is...

says who??


imagine you are living somewhere up north and have severely advanced lung cancer and are desperately trying everything you can to hold on to your life and your lungs you are constantly in fear of the cancer advancing into your bones to start a grim and horribly painful death. You leave your house and head to the bus stop intent on buying a bag of organic oranges from the local health food store, it is 40 below and you are huddle into an enclosed glass bus stop tucking your arms inside your jacket.

You are waiting for about 5 minutes when 3 people walk sit down and proceed to light up
3 newport menthols, immediately filling the small glass casing with the thick aroma of black smoke

you eyes well up with tears as you desperately want to plead for them to stop as all you can think about is suffering and death as you clutch at your rotting lungs.

I don't even understand what your point is supposed to be here . Are you citing these examples as actual good analogies? Or are you trying to make Goldie's analogy seem more absurd than it is by making up these more ridiculous ones? Either way your point is muddled.

my point is that, what basis does goldman's analogy have in reality, his analogy was used to try and prove that second hand smoke cause virtually no damage.

but does it really? he certainly thinks so but just because he said that second hand smoke is like typing on a keyboard, is it really?

I mean its not a valid argument at all, it has nothing to back it up other than thats what goldman thinks?

are you following what im trying to say?



lets have a quick recap of the last few pages.




me: inhaling burning formaldehyde damages your lungs, and is absorbed into your bloodstream and sent directly to your brain


goldman: yea but its not really that bad in small amounts, its sort of like typing on a keyboard.


me: wtf

you: yea jugfingers, don't you know what an analogy is,


me: wtf

you: stop clinging to this analogy argument

me:......

 

[ぱみゅ]

Let's have a recap of the last few pages

me: why the f*** is this thread still active?

 

[Luigitoilet]

the point is...

says who??


imagine you are living somewhere up north and have severely advanced lung cancer and are desperately trying everything you can to hold on to your life and your lungs you are constantly in fear of the cancer advancing into your bones to start a grim and horribly painful death. You leave your house and head to the bus stop intent on buying a bag of organic oranges from the local health food store, it is 40 below and you are huddle into an enclosed glass bus stop tucking your arms inside your jacket.

You are waiting for about 5 minutes when 3 people walk sit down and proceed to light up
3 newport menthols, immediately filling the small glass casing with the thick aroma of black smoke

you eyes well up with tears as you desperately want to plead for them to stop as all you can think about is suffering and death as you clutch at your rotting lungs.

......bahahahahahahahaa

my point is that, what basis does goldman's analogy have in reality, his analogy was used to try and prove that second hand smoke cause virtually no damage.

but does it really? he certainly thinks so but just because he said that second hand smoke is like typing on a keyboard, is it really?

I mean its not a valid argument at all, it has nothing to back it up other than thats what goldman thinks?

are you following what im trying to say?

Goldshadow is literally a scientist who majored in this very area. What are your credentials? And, actually, where are your sources that go against the several opposing sources at hand here?

lets have a quick recap of the last few pages.




me: inhaling burning formaldehyde damages your lungs, and is absorbed into your bloodstream and sent directly to your brain


goldman: yea but its not really that bad in small amounts, its sort of like typing on a keyboard.


me: wtf

you: yea jugfingers, don't you know what an analogy is,


me: wtf

you: stop clinging to this analogy argument

me:......

This is because you continue to misunderstand what analogies are used for because you are horrible at rhetoric, comprehension and at things in general. Yet you continue to hold on to this single attack, and ignore the rest of his post. I guess this must be because you never get out and converse with normal people because you're so terrified of cytotoxins and BURNING FORMALDEHYDE posioning your body.

 

[Masmasher@]

Let's have a recap of the last few pages

me: why the f*** is this thread still active?

who started all this
THAT WAS ME

 

[Brightside6382]

I prefer smoking Marlboro reds over that menthol ****. Who else likes cowboy killers?

 

[jugfingers]

Goldshadow is literally a scientist who majored in this very area. What are your credentials? And, actually, where are your sources that go against the several opposing sources at hand here?

the mere fact that you would request credentials before you would listen to someone pointing out the dangers of burning known toxic chemicals is hilarious.

This is because you continue to misunderstand what analogies are used for because you are horrible at rhetoric, comprehension and at things in general

I continue to misunderstand what analogies are used for?


that's like me saying you continue to misunderstand what sentences are used for as evidence for your lack of understanding of something being said.


oh **** I just used an analogy, ok so now I won the argument right? because I used an analogy?

and I can just keep saying that you don't understand what analogies are used for rather than actually address the substance of said comparison.


ok.


and is it really that I am "horrible at rhetoric" or are you confusing that with your limited comprehension?



also I was done with that ****ing ******** analogy right after I responded to it and didn't mention anything to do with an analogy in my response, it was goldman and yourself who kept bringing it up because I responded to what was being compared and "missed" that it was just an "analogy so it doesn't really matter that it was a complete fabrication with no logical foundation, apparently analogies transcend all rational boundaries and are impervious to critique.

. Yet you continue to hold on to this single attack, and ignore the rest of his post. I guess this must be because you never get out and converse with normal people because you're so terrified of cytotoxins and BURNING FORMALDEHYDE posioning your body.

first of all, the post with the analogy was the entirety of his post,


also
I'm not terrified of second hand smoke, I work labor jobs, lots of people smoke around me all the time.



but I'm not too worried about it.

lol.

 

[Luigitoilet]

the mere fact that you would request credentials before you would listen to someone pointing out the dangers of burning known toxic chemicals is hilarious.

The fact that you posted this whole story that ends with:

".........you eyes well up with tears as you desperately want to plead for them to stop as all you can think about is suffering and death as you clutch at your rotting lungs. "

and seem dead serious about it is a hundred times more hilarious. it is one of the most hyperbolic, completely bonkers examples I've ever seen. This is not just "pointing out the dangers of burning toxic chemicals", this is constructing some preposterous hypothetical situation to fuel the propaganda machine. You also discredited someone who is vastly more qualified than you, as you work a labor job. That is unless you're majoring in the same degree on the side -_-.

I continue to misunderstand what analogies are used for?


that's like me saying you continue to misunderstand what sentences are used for as evidence for your lack of understanding of something being said.


oh **** I just used an analogy, ok so now I won the argument right? because I used an analogy?

and I can just keep saying that you don't understand what analogies are used for rather than actually address the substance of said comparison.

yeesh, you're making this too easy. Allow me to point you to something I posted earlier:

It's a ****ing analogy. It's not meant to prove anything

This is my point. Right there. That quote directly above me. Analogies are not meant to be debate-enders. They are meant to illustrate an idea to the opposing debater in an attempt to clarify their point. They are not pointless, though they might be against a stubborn dimwit like you.

Goldie's point was that the cellular damage from friction-based activities such as typing on a keyboard or cutting is comparable to a tiny amount of mostly dissipated smoke that might enter your lungs. The thing is, Goldie has the educational background, and specializes in this very field, so it's reasonable to take his side over you who probably knows as much as he read on wikipedia and propaganda websites.. It's funny you ignored that again as well.

and is it really that I am "horrible at rhetoric" or are you confusing that with your limited comprehension?

The first one. It's the first one you said.

"...analogy so it doesn't really matter that it was a complete fabrication with no logical foundation, apparently analogies transcend all rational boundaries and are impervious to critique.

".........you eyes well up with tears as you desperately want to plead for them to stop as all you can think about is suffering and death as you clutch at your rotting lungs.

Also, how come you're making the opposite argument than earlier, where you implied that making an effective analogy would "win" an argument?

first of all, the post with the analogy was the entirety of his post,

that doesn't mean you disregard everything he said in other posts.

also
I'm not terrified of second hand smoke, I work a labor job and lots of people smoke around me all the time.
but I'm not too worried about it.

So why the **** are you still here arguing about something you don't care about and have no apparent knowledge to share beyond scary buzzwords?

lol

lol

 

[evileric]

actually, i hate smoking

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

People take way too much stock in undergraduate majors. The first year of college they sit you under a microscope to look at still slides. The second year of college they let you run a priori chemistry experiments. Even synthesis experiments can be a prioried up the butt. The third year of college they let you do a little bit of specialized work in your related major and then you finally do legitimate college laboratory work in the same year you are going to graduate. Oh sure, they'll shoot jargon up your butt. Like how they'll mention aromatic compounds like benzene are bad for your health without bothering to explain what aromatic compounds are or how the chemical properties in benzene causes cancer. But whateeever. The scientific articles he posted have far more objective value than anything else.

 

[Luigitoilet]

People take way too much stock in undergraduate majors. The first year of college they sit you under a microscope to look at still slides. The second year of college they let you run a priori chemistry experiments. Even synthesis experiments can be a prioried up the butt. The third year of college they let you do a little bit of specialized work in your related major and then you finally do legitimate college laboratory work in the same year you are going to graduate. Oh sure, they'll shoot jargon up your butt. Like how they'll mention aromatic compounds like benzene are bad for your health without bothering to explain what aromatic compounds are or how the chemical properties in benzene causes cancer. But whateeever. The scientific articles he posted have far more objective value than anything else.

Okay, that's a valid point. But even then, you would agree that he is more certified than jugfingers, yes? And if not, I think you're an alt account or something as you registered solely to post this apparently. I hope you aren't defending jugfingers. Unless his labor job somehow requires more knowledge of these specific matters which I doubt.

 

[Pikaville]

this

dont blame anti for your problems lmao

Of course I'm going blame you for the fact that we all have to stand outside now and smoke.

It's YOUR fault.

This is the only thing I blame you guys for.

Smokers have no problems apart for the anti smokers who complain about smoking.

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

Okay, that's a valid point. But even then, you would agree that he is more certified than jugfingers, yes? And if not, I think you're an alt account or something as you registered solely to post this apparently. I hope you aren't defending jugfingers. Unless his labor job somehow requires more knowledge of these specific matters which I doubt.

I was just a little peeved at the fact that people were asserting GoldShadow's statements via his real life history rather than the content contained in his actual posts. If GoldShadow never had a formal education in science, it would still not diminish the fact that he went through the effort of substantiating his argument with scientific journal articles (which I still haven't had time to read).

Most courses that contain a certain subset of biology are mostly regurgitation courses in which literature is read and lecture is attended. On the exams, the questions are more or less information that is spit back out from the textbook and notes. Certain fields in chemistry are harder than their biological counterparts, as they contain problem solving questions and attempt to seek out a higher level of inquisitive thought. Yet one is still able to attain a chemistry major through hard work and fact regurgitation.

If one is interested in learning about science, they could obtain literature on their own account and update their scientific knowledge on a consistent basis. It doesn't matter whether they work a profession as a researcher, a doctor, a farmer, or a chef. Even though a researcher and a doctor are more established to have a given disposition to science, farmers deal with several chemicals when they administer pesticides such as organophosphates. There was a farmer who died because he didn't bother to change his clothes and had tons of organophosphate left on him when he went straight to the bar.

I believe his death could have been due to neural paralysis as the alcohol went through a chemical reaction and formed an ether, while protonating the organophosphate compound to form phosphoric acid which caused the poisoning. Unfortunately this is just over-generalized speculation as I am not sure of the reaction mechanism between an alcohol and an esteric compound and do not know whether this was the case behind the dead farmer. A lot of labor has correlations with science.

Finally, yes. I registered six months ago for the very purpose of posting in this thread. I also hung around in the user blog section a lot because that's where our sleeper cell is located. Gonna ****ing kill you~ JK.

 

[SuperBowser]

o no acrostic has ruined his 0 post count.

! this thread is a true trainwreck.

 

[Mr.Freeman]

So did Meat get his superpowers or what?

 

[Luigitoilet]

I was just a little peeved at the fact that people were asserting GoldShadow's statements via his real life history rather than the content contained in his actual posts. If GoldShadow never had a formal education in science, it would still not diminish the fact that he went through the effort of substantiating his argument with scientific journal articles (which I still haven't had time to read).

Most courses that contain a certain subset of biology are mostly regurgitation courses in which literature is read and lecture is attended. On the exams, the questions are more or less information that is spit back out from the textbook and notes. Certain fields in chemistry are harder than their biological counterparts, as they contain problem solving questions and attempt to seek out a higher level of inquisitive thought. Yet one is still able to attain a chemistry major through hard work and fact regurgitation.

If one is interested in learning about science, they could obtain literature on their own account and update their scientific knowledge on a consistent basis. It doesn't matter whether they work a profession as a researcher, a doctor, a farmer, or a chef. Even though a researcher and a doctor are more established to have a given disposition to science, farmers deal with several chemicals when they administer pesticides such as organophosphates. There was a farmer who died because he didn't bother to change his clothes and had tons of organophosphate left on him when he went straight to the bar.

I believe his death could have been due to neural paralysis as the alcohol went through a chemical reaction and formed an ether, while protonating the organophosphate compound to form phosphoric acid which caused the poisoning. Unfortunately this is just over-generalized speculation as I am not sure of the reaction mechanism between an alcohol and an esteric compound and do not know whether this was the case behind the dead farmer. A lot of labor has correlations with science.

Finally, yes. I registered six months ago for the very purpose of posting in this thread. I also hung around in the user blog section a lot because that's where our sleeper cell is located. Gonna ****ing kill you~ JK.

Fair enough, you still didn't answer my question though. You somehow think jufingers had a better argument? At all? At any point? This thread is dead to me pretty much. I don't care about the topic at hand to comment on it any more. I just want to know if I'm insane for seeing how completely dumb jugs is.

 

[Uncle Meat]

Arguing with jugfingers is like removing your brain and repeatedly smashing it in to a brick wall.

JUST KIDDING, that's a terrible analogy. The actions of arguing and smashing a brain in to a wall are completely different.

 

[jugfingers]

The fact that you posted this whole story that ends with:

".........you eyes well up with tears as you desperately want to plead for them to stop as all you can think about is suffering and death as you clutch at your rotting lungs. "

and seem dead serious about it is a hundred times more hilarious. it is one of the most hyperbolic, completely bonkers examples I've ever seen. This is not just "pointing out the dangers of burning toxic chemicals", this is constructing some preposterous hypothetical situation to fuel the propaganda machine. You also discredited someone who is vastly more qualified than you, as you work a labor job. That is unless you're majoring in the same degree on the side -_-.

you don't get paid to go to school rookie. lol



as for my beautifully composed bit of dark poetry, I think you referred to it as a preposterous hypothetical situation to fuel the propaganda machine?


lol first of all, what ****ing propaganda machine are you talking about???

the evil corporate controlled propaganda machine whose sole purpose is to trick people into being afraid of burning toxic chemicals.

sounds 1984.


yea it was a hypothetical situation, a hypothetical situation to illustrate the magnitude of damage possible from inhaling an acute dose of thick dark death smoke.

lol


but don't take my word for it, after all I'm not a scientist.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=c2bd56a4167f3ae5742ee853ac94a4e4

This is my point. Right there. That quote directly above me. Analogies are not meant to be debate-enders. They are meant to illustrate an idea to the opposing debater in an attempt to clarify their point. They are not pointless, though they might be against a stubborn dimwit like you.

lol wtf are you trying to say



they aren't debate enders

but also

they are not pointless.




well you convinced me.

Goldie's point was that the cellular damage from friction-based activities such as typing on a keyboard or cutting is comparable to a tiny amount of mostly dissipated smoke that might enter your lungs. The thing is, Goldie has the educational background, and specializes in this very field, so it's reasonable to take his side over you who probably knows as much as he read on wikipedia and propaganda websites.. It's funny you ignored that again as well.

.. molecular and cell bio?

yea I'm really impressed

comparing the inhalation of burning benzene ... into an organ solely responsible for the intake of oxygen vital to your survival


....to typing on a keyboard.


yea but he's a scientist so we should just believe what he says without question


plus it was an analogy to highlight the difference in magnitude between 2nd hand smoke and chronic exposure so it doesn't really matter that it was ****ing preposterous

and maybe just maybe, the comparative attributes in this particular analogy i.e the magnitude of difference between being cut and typing on a keyboard compared with inhaling second hand smoke and smoking for years has no rational justification.....maybe,


but I mean he did major in molecular and cell bio....

".........you eyes well up with tears as you desperately want to plead for them to stop as all you can think about is suffering and death as you clutch at your rotting lungs.

Also, how come you're making the opposite argument than earlier, where you implied that making an effective analogy would "win" an argument?

boy nothing gets past you.

its ok missing obvious sarcasm is a well known phenomenon.


I'm of course talking about analogy comment which was a jab at your continous defense of a terrible....nay ludicrous unscientifically justified comparison which you have tried to rationalize by calling it an analogy and ignoring it's substance and relevance.

So why the **** are you still here arguing about something you don't care about and have no apparent knowledge to share beyond scary buzzwords?

who ever aint get it ain't supposed to.

Arguing with jugfingers is like removing your brain and repeatedly smashing it in to a brick wall.

JUST KIDDING, that's a terrible analogy. The actions of arguing and smashing a brain in to a wall are completely different.

aha u mad cause I sucked all the fun out of your thread.


well actually I'm having alot of fun, so I guess that's really all that mattes.

Most courses that contain a certain subset of biology are mostly regurgitation courses in which literature is read and lecture is attended. On the exams, the questions are more or less information that is spit back out from the textbook and notes. Certain fields in chemistry are harder than their biological counterparts, as they contain problem solving questions and attempt to seek out a higher level of inquisitive thought. Yet one is still able to attain a chemistry major through hard work and fact regurgitation.

If one is interested in learning about science, they could obtain literature on their own account and update their scientific knowledge on a consistent basis. It doesn't matter whether they work a profession as a researcher, a doctor, a farmer, or a chef. JK.

lol word.



if you want to get laid go to college

if you want an education go to the library

-Frank Zappa

 

[Luigitoilet]

 

[#HBC | Acrostic]

That would make an awesome t-shirt.

 

[jugfingers]

hey... c'mon guys.


lets not make light of burning formaldehyde.

 

[Evil Eye]

Did somebody say...

 

[Uncle Meat]

aha u mad cause I sucked all the fun out of your thread.

No, jugfingers. I'm not mad because you sucked the fun out of my thread. But I am mad. I'm very mad. Because when I was young, I suffered a terrible, unfair fate. No person should be put through the misery that I was subjected to. It left a scar on me forever. You want to know the horrible truth? The secret to my undying rage?

Spoiler

My parents were killed by BURNING FORMALDEHYDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!

 

[Uncle Meat]

 

[Uncle Meat]

 

[Teran]

Oh come now.

These pictures are just completely unacceptable.

Stop making light of such a serious situation, it's almost offensive.

 

[BBQTV]

this thread is so awesome it makes me wanna try

 

[jugfingers]

not to vibrate my own daxophone ...

but I kinda just owned this thread.





on the real though.

burning formaldehyde is old news.

I'm all about burning benzene now.

 

[Uncle Meat]

You did not own this thread, but I'll agree it's been fun.

 

[BBQTV]

i smell a meme and it smells like

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

Owning a thread? Lol you make it sound like an accomplishment. Man people are funny

 

[SkylerOcon]

Oh, come on. You guys know better than to spam like this.