A justification for BURNING FORMALDEHYDE

[BBQTV]

I know that he is, but saying that smoking itself is unethical is ********. He's not convincing anyone.

but then he brings up the whole, is slowly killing me ethical? or whatever he was saying.

 

[Uncle Meat]

Jumpman knows what he is talking about. Smoking itself is not unethical, though you can chose to do unethical things with the mutant powers that you will surely develop.

 

[BBQTV]

Jumpman knows what he is talking about. Smoking itself is not unethical, though you can chose to do unethical things with the mutant powers that you will surely develop.

therefore smoking is unethical

 

[GoldShadow]

But you can also choose to do good things with your newfound mutant powers. Two sides of a coin!

 

[Mr.Freeman]

Doing good with mutant powers is overrated.

 

[BBQTV]

Doing good with mutant powers is overrated.

therefore goldshadow's argument is invalid

 

[Fuelbi]

To the people saying that smoking is unethical, can we all agree that it isn't?

Smoking is a habit. It's considered to be looked down upon when you do it right smack in front of other people, but it's certainly not unethical, just rude depending on where you do it.

 

[Luigitoilet]

Ethics don't exist.

 

[황미영]

To the people saying that smoking is unethical, can we all agree that it isn't?

Smoking is a habit. It's considered to be looked down upon when you do it right smack in front of other people, but it's certainly not unethical, just rude depending on where you do it.

Exactly. If you smoke good for you. You have to deal with what it causes while you get satisfaction out of it. But whatever, not everyone strives to avoid unhealthy things.

Yeah, I have a poor choice of words. xD

 

[X1-12]

I know that he is, but saying that smoking itself is unethical is ********. He's not convincing anyone.

Thats just plain BS, Quote me where I said smoking itself in unethical.


If during my natural daily, healthy, routine, others are choosing to damage my body by smoking near me, I find that unethical.

 

[gm jack]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but a lot of the carcinogens produce very specific mutations leading to tumour development as opposed to completely random mutations.

 

[BEHR]

Smoke Marijuana.

but I dont mind people who smoke tobacco Ive been around it all my life,but I dont do it and I dont care if people smoke around me it does not bother me and the person also has a freedom to do so.

 

[MikeHaggarTHAKJB]

i hate random people that judge me for smoking
my body, my decision, my business. if you dislike smoking thats fine but dont bother me about you stupid punk.

if youre bothered by the smell and politely ask me to move a metre or so away thats fine however.

 

[McCloud]

I hear smoking cures cancer. True?

 

[GoldShadow]

I hear smoking cures cancer. True?

Only if you smoke 12 packs a day, otherwise you're just wasting your time.

 

[-Jumpman-]

Thats just plain BS, Quote me where I said smoking itself in unethical.


If during my natural daily, healthy, routine, others are choosing to damage my body by smoking near me, I find that unethical.

I said it wasn't unethical, you kept trying to prove me wrong (and kept failing). So you IMPLIED it. (WOW you're a ******)

 

[X1-12]

I said it wasn't unethical, you kept trying to prove me wrong (and kept failing). So you IMPLIED it. (WOW you're a ******)

lol, stop talking **** and trying to belittle my arguments by calling me a ******

If you smoke near me, that's harming me, that's unethical. This is what I've been saying, stop making up BS stories of what you think I was saying or implying

 

[-Jumpman-]

This is so funny, I should probably stop replying to trolls lol.

 

[X1-12]

This is so funny, I should probably stop replying to trolls lol.

I could say the same.

 

[Dodongo]

Can't we all agree that even babies look cool when they smoke.

 

[BBQTV]

I hear smoking cures cancer. True?

try medical marrie jane

 

[Jane]

smoke weed.


/thread

 

[jugfingers]

I know that he is, but saying that smoking itself is unethical is ********. He's not convincing anyone.

dude...



I don't know about ethical or unethical. but lighting hydrogen cyanide,arsenic, benzene, formaldehyde,ammonia etc. on fire around other people so that poisonous fumes are wafting into the the air they are breathing isn't really that awesome.



smoke DMT!

 

[Masmasher@]

no
smoke on your own
i dont wanna become a victum of second hand.
im glad they banned it in alot of public places all you doing is neutralizing yourself and ruining everyone elses good time.

 

[Luigitoilet]

It does really suck, because some people are completely ignorant or inconsiderate about their nasty habit. I work at a bar so people are always smoking and just generally not caring that they're basically blowing the **** in my face half the time.

That being said, while second hand smoke is irritating and damaging to sensitive people (allergies or asthma or similar problems), the claims that it causes lung cancer are tentative and unproved at best.

 

[Evil Eye]

lol, the propoganda machine strikes again.

Unless someone slaps their lips on yours and exhales every single blast of every single drag of every single cigarette they smoke, every single time, every single day, of every single week...

and so on and so on...

In all probability, nothing will happen.

People who live in Los Angeles or Mexico City breathe in worse carcinogens with drastically increased frequency on a daily basis.

The blast of exhaust fumes you cough at as a bus passes you by is far more damaging. A few minutes breathing that crap in and you will pass out. A few minutes more and you will die.

Comparing second hand smoke to someone jabbing a knife into your head is, literally, the dumbest thing I have ever seen. Literally. And I read a lot of youtube comments, so take from that what you will.

Second hand smoke awareness campaigns are half doctored propoganda and half actual fact. The tobacco companies don't reject these studies and in fact embrace them for two very important reasons.

1. They know that their customers will always smoke -- no amount of mere inconvenience is going to stop the habit altogether.

2. They don't make money off of second hand smoke, and they try to find new generations of smokers in more insidious and clever ways.

In short, it affects their business practices and profits in no tangibly damaging way whatsoever, so they put whatever the hell they're told to on the box -- because they know someone's going to buy it and read it and smoke the contents anyway.

Bottom line: What people do to themselves is not your concern or unethical, it's just what they're doing with their time, money, and body. Exaggerating the nonexistent effects someone's behavior has on you because you don't approve of it isn't going to get you anywhere. Case in point: Westboro Baptist Church.

If you don't try to attack the behavior and the people exercising it in some absurd, hatemongering capacity and just, I dunno, engage them with the respect you would for any other person out on the street, I bet you can ask them to move. Or (perish the thought) you could even move, if you don't need to stay exactly where you are!




Closing statement:

 

[GoldShadow]

Some truth bombs courtesy of EE.

 

[BBQTV]

compare that pick to mr freeman's avatar

now drop a brick

 

[jugfingers]

lol, the propoganda machine strikes again.

Unless someone slaps their lips on yours and exhales every single blast of every single drag of every single cigarette they smoke, every single time, every single day, of every single week...

and so on and so on...

In all probability, nothing will happen.

your ignorance is astounding


spreading such misinformation is dangerous.

cigarette smoke is a lot more cytotoxic than it is genotoxic.


in other words, someone who smokes their whole life, and doesn't get cancer has not escaped the toxic effects of their addiction.

it is not an all or nothing situation you ****ing ******.


the second cigarette smoke enters your lungs it is killing cells immediately and introducing a plethora of chemicals into your blood stream, it may be a minute concentration, but if you had a greater awareness you would not want any toxic chemicals in your body at all.


yea it would suck to live in LA or mexico city, and people commit suicide with car exhaust great ****ing point genius boy.


ok im done.



EDIT


to be clear though I think the native american use of tobacco is sacred, but modern cigarettes have some extra ingredients which are none too kind to the human race.

 

[Evil Eye]

Your troll is showing. That or your illiteracy. One or the other!

in other words, someone who smokes their whole life, and doesn't get cancer has not escaped the toxic effects of their addiction.

Never implied they did. Ever.

it is not an all or nothing situation

Actually I'm pretty sure dying and cancer are very binary subjects. You are dead or not dead. You have cancer or you do not have cancer. There is no such thing as kinda getting cancer or being mildly dead.

And before you bother with any semantics, this is literally the only thing I was responding to with my post.

you ****ing ******.

Oh look, an internet tough guy! Oh lawdy no he's gonna punch me in my delicates! I guess I better agree with his rock solid logic because he called me a nasty name and he's not taking it back!!!!!

the second cigarette smoke enters your lungs it is killing cells immediately and introducing a plethora of chemicals into your blood stream, it may be a minute concentration, but if you had a greater awareness you would not want any toxic chemicals in your body at all.

Well aren't you precocious.

Show me where I said that chemicals don't enter your body at all unless you are a daily smoker. Pretty sure the entirety of this topic's serious discussion has related to smoking as pertains to cancer, dying, and being killed and/or given cancer by smokers and second hand smoke.

P.S. - If I had a greater awareness I wouldn't eat any fast food, ever. I had Taco Bell for dinner tonight, and it was hell to digest, but I'm still going to eat it in the future.

I once chased a potently illicit brownie with a good half-gallon of straight whiskey. The next morning was the worst day of my life. I'm not going to quit doing either of those things, though, (despite my greater awareness!) In fact, I did them the very next night.

yea it would suck to live in LA or mexico city, and people commit suicide with car exhaust

Actually I'm pretty sure I was specifically pointing to the lethal potential of car exhaust and the fact that it is more a more regular exposure for many people than second-hand smoke, and yet they aren't dropping dead on a daily basis as a result. It's called food for thought, but it looks like your brain is starving.

great ****ing point genius boy.

Yeah I thought so too--OH WAIT NO. SARCASM!? Gawd sir, I forgot what an internet tough guy you are! Oh man I am positively shaking in my boots! More nasty names! I retract everything I said!!!! Please forgive me!!

ok im done.

Me too.

No, wait.

Now I'm done.

 

[Jane]

I once chased a potently illicit brownie with a good half-gallon of straight whiskey.

this guy knows how to party

 

[jugfingers]

Never implied they did. Ever.

actually you sort of did when you said,

In all probability, nothing will happen.

apparently ignorant to the immediate toxic effects of burning hydrogen cyanide.

and then you later in response to my post linked an article on secondhand smoke not conclusively causing cancer completely ignoring my focus on the cytotoxic effects of cigarette smoke.

. Pretty sure the entirety of this topic's serious discussion has related to smoking as pertains to cancer, dying, and being killed and/or given cancer by smokers and second hand smoke.

no im pretty sure the entirety of this argument on secondhand smoke is what a douche move it is to expose random bystanders to burning formaldehyde....lol

your on the losing side of this argument kid.

please note the validity of the arrogance of that last sentence.

Gawd sir, I forgot what an internet tough guy you are! Oh man I am positively shaking in my boots! More nasty names! I retract everything I said!!!! Please forgive me!!

ok, I accept your apology.

 

[Luigitoilet]

keep your head up jugfingers don't let reality get you down

 

[jugfingers]

if you really look carefully.


reality is terrifying.

 

[Masmasher@]

^thats sig worthy

 

[Fuelbi]

if you really look carefully.


reality is terrifying.

Is that why you have the avatar of a painting of a dude who went nuts?

 

[GoldShadow]

the second cigarette smoke enters your lungs it is killing cells immediately and introducing a plethora of chemicals into your blood stream, it may be a minute concentration, but if you had a greater awareness you would not want any toxic chemicals in your body at all.

apparently ignorant to the immediate toxic effects of burning hydrogen cyanide.

and then you later in response to my post linked an article on secondhand smoke not conclusively causing cancer completely ignoring my focus on the cytotoxic effects of cigarette smoke.

no im pretty sure the entirety of this argument on secondhand smoke is what a douche move it is to expose random bystanders to burning formaldehyde....lol

I don't understand. Are you saying that short-term exposures to cigarette smoke, eg standing outside at a bus stop while someone smokes nearby or sitting in a bar while a smoker is on the next stool, is bad for you?

Sure, cigarette smoke has immediate cytotoxic events, but if you are actually making a big deal about this, that is ridiculous. These kinds of brief exposure will not, in any way, shape or form, affect your health (unless you are allergic to cigarette smoke and have an anaphylactic reaction). The human body is far more resilient than you seem to think. Breathing in some smoke now and then will not affect you whatsoever.

You mentioned cytotoxicity. You're right; the smoke will have a small, minute immediate effect on a few of the cells in your body. And that's all. It won't affect your health. It won't affect your organs, your body, or anything else. The body can compensate for that effortlessly. It doesn't even need to compensate for it, really speaking.




By the way, carbon monoxide has cytotoxic effects. CO poisoning in homes is notorious for causing death, and others actively use it (via car exhaust) to commit suicide. Do you believe that cars should not be allowed to drive on the road? When you're walking down a busy street, are you furious that these cars are spewing statistically negligible concentrations of CO in your direction? Theoretically, you should care, because "it may be a minute concentration, but if you had a greater awareness you would not want any toxic chemicals in your body at all."

What about diesel trucks?

What about when somebody is talking to you? When they exhale, small amounts of carbon dioxide (which immediately enters your bloodstream and, ever-so-slightly alters blood pH) are wafted in your direction.

It has been found that air conditioning systems tend to encourage the growth and dissemination of microbes through the air, increasing the likelihood of exposure to contaminants and pathogens (http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/33/5/1123).
In addition, the contents of aerosol cans tend to be toxic.
Do you feel as strongly about air conditioned buildings and people spraying aerosols (such as air fresheners) as you do against occasional second-hand smoke?

Do you drink coffee? Caffeinated soda? Alcohol? Most foods we eat contain small amounts of toxins, such as tomatoes, potatoes, soybeans, flour, broccoli, eggplant, and cocoa (http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/plant1.htm), but we all eat them, and I'm sure you do too.


My point is, almost everything contains toxins of some sort, not just cigarette smoke, but I doubt you'd crusade against these things.

Ultimately, yeah, cigarettes are terrible for you. And yes, chronic second hand exposure to smoke affects your health (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/720567). Occasional exposure to smoke, however, is not the physiological travesty you make it out to be.

When referring to occasional second hand exposure, the cytotoxic effects you mentioned are irrelevant in vivo. In vitro, everything is affected by everything. But in a physiological system with billions of cells and compensatory mechanisms, a little bit of second hand exposure is wholly and utterly insignificant.

 

[Uncle Meat]

I would like to add that you are exposing yourself to ****ing uranium when you swim in the sea. I swim in the sea naked so I can expose myself to uranium and small children at the same time.

 

[Pikaville]

Smoke Marijuana.

but I dont mind people who smoke tobacco Ive been around it all my life,but I dont do it and I dont care if people smoke around me it does not bother me and the person also has a freedom to do so.

This guy just /thread the **** out of this.

Hero.

Also Uncle meat, you're a genius.

 

[Dodongo]

I would like to add that you are exposing yourself to ****ing uranium when you swim in the sea. I swim in the sea naked so I can expose myself to uranium and small children at the same time.

Cover yourself, I can see ur anium.