A justification for BURNING FORMALDEHYDE

[IAmBlu3]

Smoke Marijuana.

but I dont mind people who smoke tobacco Ive been around it all my life,but I dont do it and I dont care if people smoke around me it does not bother me and the person also has a freedom to do so.

i like this guy

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

lol at the first post.

Second hand smoke is 11 times worse than smoking it first hand.

 

[Luigitoilet]

lol at the first post.

Second hand smoke is 11 times worse than smoking it first hand.

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[Mr.Freeman]

lol at the first post.

Second hand smoke is 11 times worse than smoking it first hand.

...you're serious?

I hope your joking.

 

[jugfingers]

I don't understand. Are you saying that short-term exposures to cigarette smoke, eg standing outside at a bus stop while someone smokes nearby or sitting in a bar while a smoker is on the next stool, is bad for you?.

yes, because it is.

Sure, cigarette smoke has immediate cytotoxic events, but if you are actually making a big deal about this, that is ridiculous. These kinds of brief exposure will not, in any way, shape or form, affect your health (unless you are allergic to cigarette smoke and have an anaphylactic reaction). The human body is far more resilient than you seem to think. Breathing in some smoke now and then will not affect you whatsoever.

the human body is very resilient indeed, but also very fragile i.e the lungs.

By the way, carbon monoxide has cytotoxic effects. CO poisoning in homes is notorious for causing death, and others actively use it (via car exhaust) to commit suicide. Do you believe that cars should not be allowed to drive on the road? When you're walking down a busy street, are you furious that these cars are spewing statistically negligible concentrations of CO in your direction? Theoretically, you should care, because "it may be a minute concentration, but if you had a greater awareness you would not want any toxic chemicals in your body at all."

the burning of fossil fuels is incredibly primitive and indeed toxic, and no I definitely don't like that automobiles spew toxic poison all over the place when they're driving around
and I do have a greater awareness, so no, I do not want to inhale it...

what is your point?

that humans do other stupid and harmful things?

yes I agree.

What about diesel trucks?

they suck.

It has been found that air conditioning systems tend to encourage the growth and dissemination of microbes through the air, increasing the likelihood of exposure to contaminants and pathogens (http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/33/5/1123).
In addition, the contents of aerosol cans tend to be toxic.
Do you feel as strongly about air conditioned buildings and people spraying aerosols (such as air fresheners) as you do against occasional second-hand smoke?

I would much rather take a long drag of a cigarette than take a hoot of an air freshener.

Do you drink coffee? Caffeinated soda? Alcohol?

nope

Most foods we eat contain small amounts of toxins, such as tomatoes, potatoes, soybeans, flour, broccoli, eggplant, and cocoa (http://extoxnet.orst.edu/faqs/natural/plant1.htm), but we all eat them, and I'm sure you do too.

the difference being that these foods enable you to live, they are beneficial to you in a much greater way than whatever minor toxins they have which may indeed be helpful indirectly

i.e stimulating detoxification pathways in your liver etc.,

but burning arsenic has no benefit at all. except to induce cell death in your lungs, and inhaling toxins is much much different than ingesting toxins.

....wait why am I actually responding to an argument comparing poisonous smoke to broccoli??

My point is, almost everything contains toxins of some sort, not just cigarette smoke, but I doubt you'd crusade against these things.

I am certainly against manmade environmental poison, but crusade is a pretty strong word considering I've just made a few posts in a smashboards subforum.

Ultimately, yeah, cigarettes are terrible for you. And yes, chronic second hand exposure to smoke affects your health (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/720567). Occasional exposure to smoke, however, is not the physiological travesty you make it out to be.

I don't know if I've really made it out to be a travesty, im just saying its certainly not helping your lungs. which are fragile important organs.

When referring to occasional second hand exposure, the cytotoxic effects you mentioned are irrelevant in vivo. In vitro, everything is affected by everything. But in a physiological system with billions of cells and compensatory mechanisms, a little bit of second hand exposure is wholly and utterly insignificant.

I guess if you consider a bunch of cells in your lungs and brain dying irrelevant.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

...you're serious?

I hope your joking.

There is between 5.3 and 43 nanograms of highly carcinogenic dimethylnitrosamine in firsthand smoke, whereas in secondhand smoke, it is between 680 and 823 nanograms. Also The quinoline in secondhand smoke is 11 times greater than in firsthand. About 18,000 nanograms are contained in it.

 

[Jane]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL sephiroth. we got ourselves a funny guy eh?






/unsubscribes

 

[ぱみゅ]

Geez....
I subscribed this because it was growing fun (and OP was pure win)... Now is just a weird pointless discussion...

 

[Luigitoilet]

There is between 5.3 and 43 nanograms of highly carcinogenic dimethylnitrosamine in firsthand smoke, whereas in secondhand smoke, it is between 680 and 823 nanograms. Also The quinoline in secondhand smoke is 11 times greater than in firsthand. About 18,000 nanograms are contained in it.

wow, what a limpdick troll. you have to do a lot better than that, jugfingers was just here.

 

[Teran]

I like the idea that you'd manufacture all that dimethylnitrousamine in your system and blow it out on top of whatever is present in the smoke.

Also quinoline is an aromatic compound. I think your body would be hard pressed to multiply the level of it by ten and shove it into the smoke you breathe out.

I'm barely even thinking about it and I'm already refuting your points off common sense. Biochemistry major ftw.

You're more likely to be harmed by the emissions from a vuvuzela.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Vuvuzelas >>>>> Smoking

 

[Mr.Freeman]

This thread's no fun anymore.

I blame sephiroth and jugfingers.

 

[GoldShadow]

I guess if you consider a bunch of cells in your lungs and brain dying irrelevant.

...it absolutely is irrelevant.

I don't think you understand the orders of magnitude of difference between what is required to materially harm your lungs (or brain) and what you are exposed to in occasional second hand smoke.

To be quite honest, it's mindboggling that you think it has any effect on the body. It's the equivalent of a few skin cells being sloughed off your fingertips as you type.

On the other hand, chronic exposure might be the equivalent of getting a scrape or a paper cut or, if you smoke enough, an amputation! Occasional exposure, though, certainly doesn't have an effect of that magnitude. Frankly, you're being ridiculous.

 

[jugfingers]

This thread's no fun anymore.

I blame sephiroth and jugfingers.

I blame it on Jumpman and formaldehyde.

To be quite honest, it's mindboggling that you think it has any effect on the body. It's the equivalent of a few skin cells being sloughed off your fingertips as you type..

no, inhaling burning formaldehyde is not the same as typing on a keyboard.

On the other hand, chronic exposure might be the equivalent of getting a scrape or a paper cut or, if you smoke enough, an amputation! Occasional exposure, though, certainly doesn't have an effect of that magnitude. Frankly, you're being ridiculous.

no, chronic inhalation of burning formaldehyde is not that same as a scrape or a paper cut.

please stop, your embarrassing yourself.


you clearly have no understanding of the difference between skin cells and lung cells. and the effect burning formaldehyde has on the latter.

 

[Teran]

I think you're forgetting the amount you take in is so minimal from second hand smoke that it's negligible.

Yes it's harmful, but it's like a pinprick to your cells. Your cells get damaged, big deal because the damage is so small and localised that regeneration takes care of it.

Stop being obtuse.

Honestly, I hope you do die from a second hand smoke related problem.

 

[jugfingers]

Honestly, I hope you do die from a second hand smoke related problem.

lol jesus......

and I hope I never meet you in a dark alley late at night.

 

[Masmasher@]

I think you're forgetting the amount you take in is so minimal from second hand smoke that it's negligible.

Yes it's harmful, but it's like a pinprick to your cells. Your cells get damaged, big deal because the damage is so small and localised that regeneration takes care of it.

Stop being obtuse.

Honestly, I hope you do die from a second hand smoke related problem.

why are you so morbid all the time?
also i started the chain reaction that ruined this **** blame me
honesty smoking stinks and you not helping anyone with that jazz and ash
go in a alley or near a dumpster or a mud hole

 

[GoldShadow]

you clearly have no understanding of the difference between skin cells and lung cells. and the effect burning formaldehyde has on the latter.

...it was an analogy to highlight the difference in magnitude between occasional second hand smoke and chronic exposure to smoke. At no point did I compare skin cells and lung cells or liken them to one another. Please stop telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. I majored in molecular and cell bio. Trust me: I know a thing or two about physiology, the differences between different types and classes of cells, and things that affect cells and organisms.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

@Teran: I'm just stating something I learned, I'm no chemestry major so I won't be able to give you the counter post you want.

@everyone else: Sorry I just read the first post, so I just assumed this thread was serious. Didn't mean to ruin your thread.

 

[ぱみゅ]

I put the question to you, what if a smoking related mutation leads on to greater things? What if I mutate and develop super powers? Who's laughing then? I may be ****ing dying of cancer, but you're dying when a 40ft tall half bird half man blasts you in the face with a ****ing energy beam. What, mother ****er?

Just my two cents.

Where's the "serious thread" on that?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Where's the "serious thread" on that?

I thought people would go "ha ha, now on to more serious buisness." like most threads do. Again sorry.

 

[jugfingers]

...it was an analogy to highlight the difference in magnitude between occasional second hand smoke and chronic exposure to smoke. At no point did I compare skin cells and lung cells or liken them to one another.

well actually yea you did, when you said, damage done to your lungs was like damage done to your skin.

your analogy is completely unjustified other than in your own mind. what basis are you making these comparisons?

were talking about inhaling burning formaldehyde, and you compare it to typing on a keyboard??

its not the same

Please stop telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. I majored in molecular and cell bio. Trust me: I know a thing or two about physiology, the differences between different types and classes of cells, and things that affect cells and organisms.

perhaps you need to do more field research in inhaling burning chemicals before you are qualified to give your opinion on said matters.

 

[ぱみゅ]

@Seph: Dont worry, you didn't killed the mood, someone else ruined it back before.....

 

[Luigitoilet]

holy ****, it's a good thing jugfingers is autistic or something and can't feel embarrassment.

 

[GoldShadow]

were talking about inhaling burning formaldehyde, and you compare it to typing on a keyboard??

Dude, do you know what an analogy is?

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

@GoldShadow (old comment), people inhale car exausts?

...ROFL.

 

[GoldShadow]

What? Yeah, haven't you ever heard of somebody starting their car in a closed garage (or hooking the exhaust to a tube that they put in their mouth) to commit suicide? Or were you referring to the "cars on the side of the road" thing?

 

[Luigitoilet]

It's apparently the best and least painful way to die.

...er...according to all the suicide victims I know.

 

[GunmasterLombardi]

What? Yeah, haven't you ever heard of somebody starting their car in a closed garage (or hooking the exhaust to a tube that they put in their mouth) to commit suicide? Or were you referring to the "cars on the side of the road" thing?

Apparently not, and what's the point of dying in such a way. Just get a gun...

On topic: Smoking is silly, a lot of people do it to relieve of their problems but things only get worst and they don't realize this until it's too late.

 

[Fuelbi]

It's weird how this thread was most likely made for the giggles and now we're arguing over whether or not second hand smoking is bad/smoking is ethical

 

[jugfingers]

Dude, do you know what an analogy is?

yes, it's a comparison between two unequal similarities


why?

would you like to try another?

 

[ぱみゅ]

It's weird how this thread was most likely made for the giggles and now we're arguing over whether or not second hand smoking is bad/smoking is ethical

It was supposed to be most likely about mutations and superpowers D=

 

[Luigitoilet]

Apparently not, and what's the point of dying in such a way. Just get a gun...

On topic: Smoking is silly, a lot of people do it to relieve of their problems but things only get worst and they don't realize this until it's too late.

Because you get high as hell, fall asleep and die.

Whereas with a gun, you can shoot yourself in the head and possibly survive...and it probably hurts a little more.

 

[BBQTV]

so would you rather die by getting shot or being high as hell? i think i'll take a third option

 

[Luigitoilet]

being completely high as hell, of course. I don't even know why someone wouldn't want that!

and jugfingers

a comparison can be an analogy, but analogy doesn't mean comparison.

http://grammar.about.com/od/rhetoricstyle/f/qanalogy07.htm

you're ignoring the entire point of "analogy" solely to keep arguing and digging an even deeper ******-ditch.

 

[BBQTV]

well i know people like to smoke and like pot but my friend tried a hit for the first time and said it sucks. i've never smoked anything so i'll take his word for it.

 

[jugfingers]

being completely high as hell, of course. I don't even know why someone wouldn't want that!

and jugfingers

a comparison can be an analogy, but analogy doesn't mean comparison.

http://grammar.about.com/od/rhetoricstyle/f/qanalogy07.htm

you're ignoring the entire point of "analogy" solely to keep arguing and digging an even deeper ******-ditch.

lol wtf, like the first paragraph of that link said straight up that analogy's are comparisons lol.


because they are. lolwtfareyoutalkingabout. I think you were confused by the difference between an analogy and a comparison and contrast. but straight up you are 100% not right. Analogy's are without exception a comparison between two different things by definition.




also more importantly, goldshadows comparison/analogy was completely useless in the sense that he was trying to illustrate how minor the effects of second hand smoke are by using a completely unjustified comparison,

2nd hand smoke is like typing on a keyboard, chronic exposure is like cutting yourself


he could have just as easily said 2nd hand smoke is like burning your finger, chronic exposure is like burning your hand


or 2nd hand smoke is like stubbing your toe, chronic exposure is like being smashed in the teeth with an anvil


in otherwords, his comparison was pulled completely out of thin air and has no real basis in reality.

yes chronic exposure is worse than an acute second hand exposure no doubt, but it is still not something you want to be exposed to if you are interested in your health




my contention was, and is that inhaling burning formaldehyde be it, acutely or chronically is much much worse than typing on a keyboard or cutting your finger.

 

[ぱみゅ]

Neither I have smoked before, but that's because I'm not interested... I just can't find it a purpose but the silly "looking cool" part.

 

[Zook]

Wait, wait, wait.

Uncle Meat is here?

 

[Luigitoilet]

Yes, but the point of an analogy is to show a similarity between things. In Goldie's case, both typing on the keyboard and inhaling a little bit of secondhand smoke occasionally have a very negligible effect on anything. It isn't directly comparing smoking and typing beyond that. It's a ****ing analogy. It's not meant to prove anything, yet this is the only thing out of Goldie's argument that you are clinging onto.

Also:

he could have just as easily said 2nd hand smoke is like burning your finger, chronic exposure is like burning your hand


or 2nd hand smoke is like stubbing your toe, chronic exposure is like being smashed in the teeth with an anvil


in otherwords, his comparison was pulled completely out of thin air and has no real basis in reality.

I don't even understand what your point is supposed to be here . Are you citing these examples as actual good analogies? Or are you trying to make Goldie's analogy seem more absurd than it is by making up these more ridiculous ones? Either way your point is muddled.