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Can you name a single grab move in other fighting games that has armour without burning some meter or other finite resource (or is on a character that has it almost universally)?
Broly in Dragon Ball FighterZ. His grounded command grabs have armor without spending meter.
Not sure if you watched the Mii presantation for example as the Fighter Mii now sports what seems to be a counter move which functions like a Grab/Throw.
There's also Clark from KOF. He has one command grab that has armor on it. It's pretty good.
Machamp in Pokken has a running command grab in a counter state.
Only when he uses Bulk Up first, or is bursting. I suppose it's only fair to point out Blastoise also has an armoured command grab, but again only in specific situations (buff active or bursting again).
You just said it yourself, it's a counter, not armour.
My argument isn't necessarily about being overpowered for wizkick (since it'd obviously still be punishable), more that it wouldn't really add that much utility. In the air it already starts pretty quickly, is difficult to contest unless you have a big sword or projectile, and more often than not trades in Ganondorf's favour when they do successfully contest. Using it a lot to counter juggles, even without armour in 4 gives people pause. Armour on startup would make it a smidge better at breaking combos, but the end result would still be the same: opponents waiting it out for the punish.
Yeah you're right with your argument about Wizkick, but I and certainley the majority of peope just can't wrap their head around a design mentality, where Ganon had some slight boons/edges over opponents, which Sakurai just took away and replaced with "buffs" that didn't compensate for those nerfs and his overall weaknesses and disadvantages as a heavy in the slightest, bc as you very accurately stated, short invincibility wouldn't have erased Ganon's core counter play of footsies/punishing his laggy attacks when he uses them at wrong time.
Shhhhhhhhhhh, don't give Sakurai ideas.
Given that all these additonal rule sets ( I have to give Sakurai major cred for making me more excited/hyped over the stage/music rules and items section than the new comers
) can be played without items now, how high would you predict the chance of them being incorporated into official tourneys?
KuroganeHammer
amd other major frame and Data miners prob wet themselves upon seeing the new training stage/mode XD
That sounds amazing.
"Official tournaments" were never organized by Nintendo so I predict the standard 'items off, 2-5 stock, timer on, etc' tourneys. Ironically serious players don't use the game's tourney mode.Given that all these additonal rule sets ( I have to give Sakurai major cred for making me more excited/hyped over the stage/music rules and items section than the new comers
( The tourney mode is a given, but stuff like all those multi battle char modes, STAMINA or CONSERVATIVE fighting game mode, as I like to dubb it, and ofc Final smash meter matches and stage morph being turned on?)
Fun fact: Flame Choke to Final Smash was a true combo in Brawl. It was pretty much certain death regardless of percent depending on the stage. My friend and I often did 1v1's with Smash Balls on, and we discovered that Ganondorf could actually combo into his; easily making his FS the best in the game. Untechable command grab into near-instantaneous activation of FS that hits before opponent can even dream of having an intangibility period? Sign me up please.
"I know I'm going to die, but damn I'm going to look cool doing it."
Wonder what Ganondorf's thinking about in this moment...
WHAT'S WITH YOUR STUPID EXPRESSION
Wonder what Ganondorf's thinking about in this moment...
NintendoKnight
where he detailed how a take over by Ganon would look like. I could completely agree with the majority of it, except for one thing...Dk being stronger than Ganon, just bc he managed to punch down a tiny-ass moon (smaller than the Termina Moon, at the very least) , which was just slightly bigger than the Island it fell on, just clogged the volcano , which then propelled the moon back into place (the stratosphere btw, considering Dk managed to land on the moon without floating around in space) via eruption, so besides the physics of this moon and gravity being completely out of whack and this just being a literal comical deus ex machina moment at the finale, I struggle to take this as any sort of evidence or indicator for Dk being stronger than Ganon.Majora's Mask is easily creepier than Ganondorf and his awesome hair. Also, I'm pretty sure destroying all life is more evil than anything Ganondorf has attempted.
Not to mention most villains lusting after his power and subsequently reviving/playing into his hands.
Yeah, Nintendo has a terrible habit of reinventing the wheel.
I wouldn't say "terrible" per say, but sometimes they strike gold and sometimes they fall on their face. Sometimes it would be best if they didn't try to reinvent the wheel but other times I'm happy they went for it. You know?
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Bc he's not so much the villain of the series, as the unfortunate vessel/incarnation of demise and also a major chess board piece in the eyes of the goodesses, a notion that's the most noticiable in Wind waker, which is the only time we've seen Ganondorf (the Gerudo in this case) come back after being defeated and as such more humble and wise, to what is going on, behind the scenes, on higher plains.
Oh, wow. We hit that number already? I wasn't ready for it.
And you ruined it, guess we have to aim for 999 next and close/relocate the thread afterwards XPOh, wow. We hit that number already? I wasn't ready for it.
EXCELLENT.
Actually, you ruined it, Mr. Post #667. xD
Well damn you're right ( never even noticed the post/reply counter in the upper corner before), guess I expected
NintenRob
to only post this, once he knew we reached said threshold, but I guess it's impossible to both post and make a Screenshot, unless he posted the 
666 part alone and then edited the screenshot in later.
He didn't edit his post. Similar to how there's a post # on the upper right, just above the user's signature on the right side it tells you whether or not they edited the post. My last post, which you quoted is indeed edited. This one I shall leave unedited to show you the difference.Well damn you're right ( never even noticed the post/reply counter in the upper corner before), guess I expected
I was very well aware of the; "last edited " prombt in the down right corner, esp. seeing as I tend to edit my own posts quite regulary (if you hadn't noticed) to satisfy my own inner grammar nazi, apparently <_<
Sort of. "Unless" is a conditional clause meaning "except under the circumstances that" which doesn't necessarily indicate uncertainty. For example: Unless triangles are drawn on a sphere they cannot contain 3 90 degree angles.
I grammar nazi my posts regularly, and often times more than once. My longer posts, which include the walls of text I seem to be infamous for on the Ganondorf board, are usually my most heavily edited.
666 part alone and then edited the screenshot later" it came off as you not knowing there was an on-screen indicator of an edited post in the same vein that you were unaware of a post count on the top right....
And yes, this is how unless is properly used. He explained it better than I would've but I can provide another example of it: I can't beat that guy in Smash unless he uses a character he isn't good with.
You know what, yeah I was wrong both in calling you presumptous ( though there's a good reason for that, which I'll get to later) and the proper use of the word, unless.I grammar nazi my posts regularly, and often times more than once. My longer posts, which include the walls of text I seem to be infamous for on the Ganondorf board, are usually my most heavily edited.
Presumptuous? Dude, you literally had no idea there was a post counter just a short time ago. So when you stated "unless he posted the
So after reading your post, I went and double checked to see if the post you mentioned was edited or not (which it wasn't). I then reached 2 possible conclusions: you either didn't know about the edited post indicator in which case I should inform you of it, or you made the remark about post editing without checking to see if he had edited his post or not. I figured it was the former, but your comment shows that that it was actually the latter.
I was just trying to be helpful with the limited knowledge and context implicated by your posts. I assumed you didn't know what it was, and that was my bad.
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If it wasn't something anyone was supposed to pay attention to, why write it? If you wrote it, you wanted someone to read it. Don't tell me I wasn't supposed to read something you wrote.
And what is that last remark supposed to mean? Are you perhaps suggesting that I cannot read between lines? And you called my post presumptuous.
And yes, this is how unless is properly used. He explained it better than I would've but I can provide another example of it: I can't beat that guy in Smash unless he uses a character he isn't good with.
999 and then edited the screenshot later!" So with that cleared up I hope you also understand, what I was refferring to, when I said it was "thinking aloud", that was me showing/expressing just how I was formulating/explaining/justifying my mostly over-creative thought process, not me stating that's what he actually DID. And don't you dare put or twist any more words in my mouth! Bc at that point you'd actually be what you thought/assumed I was calling you; arrogant, snotty, overbearing, condescending etc, etc.
Yeah, presumptuous typically carries with it a negative connotation. Presume, not so much as it's more neutral. Presume carries with it an idea similar to Assume but more grounded on a logic-based conclusion. At least, that's how it's typically used and understood by English speakers.You know what, yeah I was wrong both in calling you presumptous ( though there's a good reason for that, which I'll get to later) and the proper use of the word, unless.
Both of these are just that, grammatical errors and poor use of said words, nothing less, nothing more.
So, when I said/used unless in said sentence, what I actually meant to say is:" he could have posted
So the adjective presumptuous comes from the word presume, which generally means, falls under the same meaning as the verbs assume, guess, believe, hypothesize and suppose, for a couple of examples, none of which have any negative connotation by themselves for the most part, but when you take the word presume and make it into an adjective, it's the other way around! ( I guess the English language is just that fickle of a Mistress to non-native speakers =/ )
The way I saw it ( or wrongly assumed in this case), presume was just another more suitable word for assume just sorta like this ------>pre(maturely) +(as)sume = presume. You have to forgive me on that front, that's just how a lot of german words work. ( you can basically give any verb about a 20 vastly different meanings by simply adding a preposition in front like; her, vor, an, nach,hin, zu, ab, and so on and so forth).
Basically I was just saying, that you tend to assume certain things way too quick and rashly, before giving it more thought or looking at it from another, multiple, from different angles or other person's point of view, than your own, but in this case I was guilty of the same thing. "You know what they say about assuming don't you", was prob never more applicable than in this scenario/debate.
So I hope we can stop argueing about semantics now, as most people will agree, that it is one of the most boring, fruitless reasons for quarrel/bickering.
As for the not reading between the lines deal/comment, there are a few instances, where this claim is more warranted than right here, but rest assured, I'll explain myself in another post (which I was in the middle of writing of, but then interrupted for this), but it's 3 am where I live and I have neither the energy nor will/presence of mind right now to properly formulate that one, as it's going to be much more of a pain to finish than this one.
I haven't played BoTW but it looks like it was inspired by Wind Waker and Skyward Sword, what with the exploration, giant weapons, and crafting. Remove the hand-holding like in Zelda 1 and BAM! New Zelda.
