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Hmm, I guess there is some merit to Ganondorf's U-Smash now that meteors on standing opponents are untechable.Been a while.
Ganondorf beating the **** out of Bayo was a sight to see.
Having an aerial forward smash would be pretty neat.
Nair and Bair. Ganon's aerials are all really good but those seem impractical and just mimicking CF's.
You mean kinda like Robin? I think that could be a little awkward since being in the air is more intense than on the ground and tapping to Smash would be more of a reflex. Also, his F-air is a canon move since he does it in artwork.
I think N-air is fine since Ganon does kick kinda like that in WW.
No way, the stomp is too good to be ruined by some idea of canon. But I could definitely see U-air go. The acrobatic kick doesn't really the best on him TBH.
Another thing that can be baffling is that the u-air uses the Sakurai Angle, instead of vertical knockback. None of Ganondorf's aerials send fighters flying upwards at a 80-90 degree angle, which can be a problem if he wants to KO the floaty fighters more easily.
When you're a character that generally moves too slow to get many juggles, knocking them offstage for stage control or edgeguarding is the next best thing.
In a way, that's where the n-air, f-air, and b-air would come into play. However, the u-air does have the least amount of start-up lag, and its hitboxes do cover altitudes that Ganondorf's other aerials don't reach.
His old Smashes all fit better with his personality than that stupid sword, yet look where we are now.
We could point out unrealistic launch angles for most characters all day if we wanted to. Lots of dash attacks should cause semi-spike angles for instance.
Either that, the Sakurai Angle, or vertical knockback, depending on the dash attack's animation data.
What I dislike about the sword is Ganon swings it like a club, similar to Ike. Ganon always treated swords like swords in the games, not just bashing them into the ground.
Those swords weren't two-handed claymores though. And even OOT Ganon mostly swung his dual blades around in a fashion that would be equally effective with clubs.
That would just make Ganondorf's Smash portrayal even worse. Where would the brutality go?
Aonuma and Fujibayashi can do whatever the hell they want. It's their series, and Zelda likes portraying its characters with different abilities in different contexts. So it's perfectly fine for Ganondorf to have wildly diverse portrayals across the series.
Dude. It's three moves. Moves that were mostly used for hard reads and will continue to be used as such due to their slowness which hasn't changed. And if you're going to be the least mobile superheavy in the game you may as well have some good hitboxes to show for it.
That didn't last very long.
Untrue. Ganondorf has been in 3 Zelda games and was alluded to in 2 others. Each one implies a wizard thief with knowledge of the sword. Also, every Ganon/dorf aside from FSA is the exact same guy over the ages. His style doesn't and hasn't changed. They are also the de facto source for the canonical approach to Ganondorf. Stop asserting that Sakurai's genius overwrites theirs.
"Ganondorf is prideful, powerful, and manipulative. He controls the flow of battle and punishes enemies for their mistakes. THIS is the spirit of Ganondorf" How does a sword remove any of those things? He's also a skilled pianist, thief, magician, conqueror, illusionist, mind reader, ruler/commander, strategist, and deceiver. Are any of his known attributes lost with the use of a sword?
Thrown what away? Three smash attacks? And what part of being "calculating" is lost by giving him a weapon? He now can be even more calculating because of those "big, sweeping hitboxes." He can use these to actually force his opponents to play the game his way.
It's kind of sad how terrible and ignorant this argument is. How often did Ganondorf actually use Forward or Down Smash to optimally punish stupid mistakes? Most of his other options were better for doing that sort of thing. not to mention his only redeemable smash attack was Up Smash. Also, you do realize that 70% of his moveset already KILLS, right?
Exactly. Again, it's only three moves; two of those moves sucked anyway. There is no need for such an overreaction.
What?
Ganondorf isn't wildly diverse across the series though. In WW and TP, he uses a sword in human form. In TP and OoT, he uses magic when fighting Link (in varying forms, projectiles, phantom riders, etc.), but while the fight against Ganondorf in WW doesn't involve magic, Ganondorf clearly has used magic to create obstacles. Phantom Ganondorfs, Puppet Ganon, etc. are magical minions he created.
I'm just noting your trolling.
Whether a character is based around punishes is not determined solely by hitboxes. And not by aesthetics either.
Actually, it's an organ, not a piano
Right. This is why I think that scene at the end of Rogue One was so great - Vader is an incredible threat but not portrayed as agile and acrobatic like in the prequels. Having a lightsaber and the force doesn't turn him into Marth.
No one slams a sword into the ground; it ruins the blade. Ganon could have heavy swings without doing that, like Link and Cloud. What I object to is them not trying to recreate animations from LoZ games and instead copying Ike's. Like the later part of this:
No one plants their sword in the ground while fighting either, but Link gets a pass just because he does it in the games?No one slams a sword into the ground; it ruins the blade. Ganon could have heavy swings without doing that, like Link and Cloud. What I object to is them not trying to recreate animations from LoZ games and instead copying Ike's. Like the later part of this:
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Maybe make the angle more vertical for the side-scrolling smash game but keep the basic animation. WW or even Ganon from OoT both have good sword slashes they could have borrowed from too.
Plenty of fictional characters plant their swords on the ground, it's a very old trope and it looks cool. In real life, it ruins your blade, but that's the beauty of not living in a real world. Ike does this in Smash as well, Chrom does it Awakening and Ganondorf does it in Hyrule Warriors during gameplay and his victory screen:No one slams a sword into the ground; it ruins the blade. Ganon could have heavy swings without doing that, like Link and Cloud. What I object to is them not trying to recreate animations from LoZ games and instead copying Ike's. Like the later part of this:
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Maybe make the angle more vertical for the side-scrolling smash game but keep the basic animation. WW or even Ganon from OoT both have good sword slashes they could have borrowed from too.
In that livestream, Toon Link has it too.
Wow, really? They changed it for all the Zelda characters?
I dunno about Link, YLink, Zelda or Sheik, but I did see footage of Toon Link winning and they played that exact same fanfare. Some decisions on what things to recycle or not boggle my mind.
It certainly should be an alt, but I just miss the old Smashes.
First, I too miss the TP look very much. I've never really been much of a fan of the OoT design, but I've warmed up to it over time.
Clearly, you didn't see the designs of... every character design not Link, Zelda, Ganon, Midna, and Zant. The design awfulness carried into SS as well.
Humans always look weird in 3D LoZs; it's been that way since OoT. The Zoras and (most) of the Gorons in TP are my favorite designs.
Also, when you look at the members of the Gerudo tribe, a majority of them have large noses, even in Breath of the Wild. Ganondorf's Ocarina of Time incarnation follows that trend, but not his Twilight Princess incarnation.
