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Yeah but...it does so many other things right that I give it a pass. (and since it's kind of like the original LoZ modernized, it makes some sense.) I'm sure the next Zelda game will be built on the same engine and they'll have more time to give us a better story. Plus they'll probably bring back the hookshot and then Link in Smash Bros. will look silly for dropping it.
I just consider that part a "post-final boss", something intentionally easy to wrap things up after a difficult battle with the "actual" final boss (Calamity Ganon in this case). Happens a lot in RPG-type games, like Partners in Time. It's especially true in Hero mode and/or doing him before tackling the Divine Beasts.
Agreed. In fact I would add that Hyrule Castle is more of a 'final boss' than anything else, as it tests all of your skills and abilities (and I guess Calamity Ganon is part of that).
I already felt the need to ask some of these, but I didn't want to pressure you just like that, but since you graciously permit it, here are some things that have I have wondered ever since the first new mechanics and gameplay changes have been shown:
I definitely intend to record the gameplay, if I'm allowed to. We need some video evidence of certain claims that we've only had someone's word to go on. There seems to be a lack of Ganon content, so I hope I can contribute a little bit to seeing what's new and different with him. The challenge will be finding someone willing to test things out, and also getting enough time to test everything since play time will be limited.I already felt the need to ask some of these, but I didn't want to pressure you just like that, but since you graciously permit it, here are some things that have I have wondered ever since the first new mechanics and gameplay changes have been shown:
1) How fast can one act after initiating dash (some people have said that you need to enter the run animation before you can dash attack) and can you try how well the run-cancel attack mechanic (as well as the pivot version) works for Ganon? Also can his dash attack still cross up shields?
2) Could you test how his airials fare compared to before, particulary which patch version of nair, that is to say how well do the hits link into another, where are the sweet/sour spots and such? When does Fair auto-cancel, how far does it reach? and most importantly, where does the hitbox of Uair start and end? Can it still hit people on the ground if you fast fall it and such.
3) How good does his new grab including pivot and dash grab work? Does Dark dive make for a good kill option now? Assuming you're using Flame choke offstage, let's see if Sakurai has come around by now and granted us the same privilege of being able to act like the rest of the cast after side-b.
4)How long do the smash-attacks actually charge now and does said increase inflict more damage on shields?
5) Could you try testing the amount of time Armor frames last for Warlock punch? Like maybe if you get to play with someone ask them, if they can try multi-jabbing til right before the backhand hits? Even though I find it unlikely by now , for the hell of it, confirming if Airial wizkick maybe can restore his Double jump.
I'm not sure how much time and in what sort of mode you'll get to play, so it would be ridiculous of me to expect you to oblige with all of these demands/propositions, but if you could keep some of these in mind, that would be great regardless.
Anyway, do you think you'll be able to record or film your gameplay or should we just take your word for it ? Either way, I'll be looking forward to your hands-on experience and findings!
Because of the new landing lag and short hop aerial changes, I want to know if Brawl's Thunderstorming technique might return for Ganondorf. Can he repeatedly short hop and dAir without suffering landing lag? He might be a lot scarier if he could do this again.
That reminds me, do any of you already have a good idea, which char(s) you plan on making your secondary main?
, I'll most likely give and a spin.
That's exactly what I want to test with short hop d-airs. If he can do it without landing lag, Ganon will be a monster.
So far, I haveThat reminds me, do any of you already have a good idea, which char(s) you plan on making your secondary main?
For me that choice definitely falls on Wolf and considering all the beneficial changes so far and removal of Chain-grabs and largely mitigating his recovery, which were about the only major weaknesses he had to deal with, he looks like a really solid and complimentary secondary to Ganon imho.
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, , and competing for top 3. potentially ompeting for top 4, and a large portion of the cast in this game is calling out to to me to play them such as: , , , , and a few others that I want to try out. I have never wanted to play so many characters in a single game before.
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Okay, I just got back from playing the demo. They give you 2 matches to play if you're doing free-for-all, and each match is about 3 minutes per.
Well Well Well, interesting, nothing surprising, but nevertheless great to hear. Besides, expecting all these wishful changes that seem to go against Sakurai's design mentality as of now and seriuously debating every kind of buff to top/round Ganon's kit out at once, would be pretty superfluos anyway. ( Except for the sake of hypothetical discussions and ofc passing the agonizing wait/time, just for fun ) We'll have to wait and see what the meta shapes up to be and ofc test/try out how well all the other wonderful changes so far, improve Ganon's capabilities, before we start asking/demanding anything else, without experiementing what sort of techs and utility his current kit provides. With all that being said however, I'm still keeping my fingers crossed and hoping that, we get any sort of buff to his recovery as that has unfortunately always been an issue, ever since Ganon got included in Smash. I also get the feeling that with Ultimate being more focussed on agressive play, with weakened shield and dodge options, as well as stronger more effective edge guarding game, that a subpar recovery is gonna sting more than ever :/
Due to the general nerf regarding airdodges (as in, each character only gets one until hit and directionals have tons of end lag) recoveries in general are going to be a lot more vulnerable. This hurts and helps Ganondorf more than most other characters. He will be destroyed by others rather easily. But he will also destroy others just as easily. His ledgeguard potential has always been dangerous; Ultimate merely kicked it up a notch in both directions.
I will answer to the best of my remembrance. Regarding his run and dash, he's still slow. I can't say if he's exactly faster than his Sm4sh self, but I was competing against faster characters. I will say that, for reasons I can't describe accurately, he still feels faster. The overall pace of the game has influenced him pretty strongly. The instant turn-arounds help a lot here but I feel that maybe it has more to do with his burst movement options: Dash Attack, Dark Dive, and Wizard's Foot. To me, these felt significantly faster and applied more pressure than they had in prior installments. Flame Choke is just as fast as it always was (though I wish the aerial version traveled just a tad further).
Now that you mention it, his jumping seemed improved. I distinctly recall having zero issues taking to the skies to attack opponents with aerials. I'm thinking he got a big buff to his initial jump height. Can't recall the double jump height, however.
I think the "balloon knockback" that people fear will ruin overall combo ability has been... exaggerated. What needs to combo will, and what doesn't won't. I felt for certain that it was just as hard to escape from combos as it was in Sm4sh, if not more so. Certain moves had this "stickiness" to them that made escaping a potential follow-up more tedious (though in my case, the follow-up was both interrupted and then substituted by the other players in the free for all). The directional air dodge is probably the X-Factor in this new system. It makes and breaks combos. (Going to be honest, watching the other players perform a directional airdodge STRAIGHT into my forward smash brought me more satisfaction than it probably should have).
Kind of would rather play as him and slash everybody.. They should of kept Giga Bowser like that too instead of turning him into The Big Show.
The only issue I see with that are his TP proportions are pretty stocky compared to OoT and he has a completely different face structure so it might look weird.
The fact that he's not fully playable anymore is a sad trade-off. But considering that a Final Smash meter can now exist, that is probably among the biggest reasons why certain Final Smashes are being changed drastically.
Thats why I always preferred that look to the OoT one.. That not Ganondorf, thats Roger Klotz lol... Also Ike kept his Smash 4 attire in which hes more muscula, so Ganon should keep his TP attire as well because he needs that beard!
It wouldn't work out the way that you'd envision though. Beast Ganon stands on all fours, while Demon King Ganon is bipedal, so that would easily result in some inconsistent hitbox placements.
Lol, it absolutely could work out the way I'm envisioning. You just gotta have a little imagination
Not quite. In Smash 3DS / Wii U, when Beast Ganon charges forward, there are three hitboxes that are attached to his bones; one of the hitboxes deals less damage than the others. The bone placement differences between Beast Ganon and Demon King Ganon would end up being inconsistent if they were to exist at the same time.
You're complaining about inconsistent hitboxes in smash? Smash is full of ridiculous hitboxes.
The point is, there's no reason they couldn't MAKE it one big hitbox and then it wouldn't matter what form of Ganon it is. When you're developing a game, you can do what you want.
The d-air to u-smash combo is very nice.Been a while.
Ganondorf beating the **** out of Bayo was a sight to see.
That's was awesome to see indeed!!!!Been a while.
Ganondorf beating the **** out of Bayo was a sight to see.
It doesn't help that the majority of meteor smashes either have sourspot hitboxes that can't meteor smash, or the meteor smash hitboxes can only affect aerial targets. And of course, some meteor smash attacks have early hit periods that can't meteor smash, such as Mario's f-air.
