NC-Echo
Smash Lord
No its not and its not, because I don't feel it necessary to explain. It's my decision and I don't have to explain myself especially on a point like this.
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A Bill by any other name would smell as sweet - Nov 14/15 - Melee, Brawl, Brawl+
- Thread starter NC-Echo
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zCasanova
Smash Lord
All the people *****ing and complaining will still show up—they always do.
The ban will make this more interesting—I'll put money on it mixing up the traditional top eight.
Smith
Smash Ace
David is toooo good...
null55
Smash Master
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BEHR quit typing badly to put on this uncaring mejicano front. God****.
Anyway, I'll pay double of Melee is on Sat. (Not really, but suuuurrrslly Bill.)
EDIT: $Mike (and possibly Eddie) can't come if it's on Sunday. I need to see dem.
Super EDIT: Chipotle is soooooooo gooood.
Anyway, I'll pay double of Melee is on Sat. (Not really, but suuuurrrslly Bill.)
EDIT: $Mike (and possibly Eddie) can't come if it's on Sunday. I need to see dem.
Super EDIT: Chipotle is soooooooo gooood.
mr.fizwidget
Smash Champion
i understand the fact that you dont have to explain yourself and i understand and accept the fact that you and karn organize the tournament and therefore can run whatever rule-set you want...
i understand the fact the you are banning metaknight because of his attributes which i agree give him a distinct advantage is singles. he also has no bad matchups in singles.
you said that you and Karn feel his attributes, even in doubles, warrant a ban...
this is what i dont understand...
if you dont feel it necessary to explain maybe karn will?
i understand the fact the you are banning metaknight because of his attributes which i agree give him a distinct advantage is singles. he also has no bad matchups in singles.
you said that you and Karn feel his attributes, even in doubles, warrant a ban...
this is what i dont understand...
if you dont feel it necessary to explain maybe karn will?
lord karn
Smash Master
Any team with MK is better than any team without him, except maybe MK/crappy character that is already unviable. In the same sense as in singles he has no bad matchups in teams and is the only one. catfish.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
do you really believe that? out of curiosity
mr.fizwidget
Smash Champion
thanks for explaining...
i disagree entirely but alas...
mk is a good partner...but i would say any team with a game and watch is better than any team with mk...
even wario is better in teams than mk, imo
i disagree entirely but alas...
mk is a good partner...but i would say any team with a game and watch is better than any team with mk...
even wario is better in teams than mk, imo
stingers
Smash Obsessed
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stingers
Smash Obsessed
you try it its hard
lord karn
Smash Master
Yeah, I definitely think MK is better than Wario and G&W in teams. Teams tier list to me is:
MK/Snake
MK/MK
MK/Wario
MK/G&W
then I dunno
MK/MK is probably better than MK/Snake but MK/Snake is probably easier and more practical.
MK/Snake
MK/MK
MK/Wario
MK/G&W
then I dunno
MK/MK is probably better than MK/Snake but MK/Snake is probably easier and more practical.
Criosphinx
Smash Lord
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edit: lol I epic failed.
MK is gay.
MK is gay.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
uh, crio, clearly. gj
Criosphinx
Smash Lord
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I edited.
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stingers
Smash Obsessed
karn have you ever played a team with a good wario or game and watch in them?
i'm going to go ahead and assume no (because it makes things easier), and since neither of us have (o.o) we should kind of just follow the collective opinion that mk is definitely not the best in doubles. just because you lose to MKs in doubles more then warios and gaws doesn't mean mk is better @.@
i'm going to go ahead and assume no (because it makes things easier), and since neither of us have (o.o) we should kind of just follow the collective opinion that mk is definitely not the best in doubles. just because you lose to MKs in doubles more then warios and gaws doesn't mean mk is better @.@
lord karn
Smash Master
I mean I play Wario in doubles and I've watched a lot of videos. I always thought it was assumed that MK was the best in doubles? Who really thinks he's not? @_@
stingers
Smash Obsessed
took awhile to find it (why do they use one thread for every HOBO) but:
is that good enough? @.@
lord karn
Smash Master
I still think he's the best in teams, but maybe he's not bannable there. Either way, I doubt this will convince Bill. I don't really have an opinion on doubles as of now.
NickOTeen
Smash Journeyman
I lose harder to a team WITH MK than a team WITHOUT him. I fail to see the argument that he's not broken in teams - he's the exact same character with more people on screen. My hardest tourney ****** came from a MK/Oli team that wasn't Karn and Bill.
More importantly, whether he's banned or not, I as a fellow (maybe former? Hope not) TO commend Bill and Karn on their decision and by standing by it instead of caving in. I understand you MK players are butthurt because you can't play as him (maybe minus stongers because you seem alright with the decision and can pick someone else up), but seriously, when you run your own tourney, make your own rules. Until then, quit *****ing.
I once ran a Melee tourney, for ****s and giggles, that had random item sets turned on. Mario themed, Zelda themed, melee-only items, etc. EVERYONE COMPLAINED ABOUT IT. But as a tournament organizer, no one realized I MAKE THE RULES. Of course it wouldn't count toward PR, hell, only local players showed up, but as a player, respect the TO's rule set, or don't go. THE END.
More importantly, whether he's banned or not, I as a fellow (maybe former? Hope not) TO commend Bill and Karn on their decision and by standing by it instead of caving in. I understand you MK players are butthurt because you can't play as him (maybe minus stongers because you seem alright with the decision and can pick someone else up), but seriously, when you run your own tourney, make your own rules. Until then, quit *****ing.
I once ran a Melee tourney, for ****s and giggles, that had random item sets turned on. Mario themed, Zelda themed, melee-only items, etc. EVERYONE COMPLAINED ABOUT IT. But as a tournament organizer, no one realized I MAKE THE RULES. Of course it wouldn't count toward PR, hell, only local players showed up, but as a player, respect the TO's rule set, or don't go. THE END.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
So were you just making up **** earlier? Or do you mean about whether or not MK should be banned in Doubles
lord karn
Smash Master
About whether or not he should be banned in doubles. I still think he's the best in doubles, though, and easily as well.
Smith
Smash Ace
Wario and G&W are better hands down imo. I don't think MK is the best at all..in teams that is.
OmniOstrich
Smash Lord
While i can see the logic for saying wario/gdubs are better i think all the top placing teams still mostly include MK.
Are there any teams winning tournaments w/o MK?
Are there any teams winning tournaments w/o MK?
stingers
Smash Obsessed
fow and sk92 got 3rd at activegamers...thats a ness and a falco o.o
Smith
Smash Ace
FOW used MK some in Teams..
stingers
Smash Obsessed
where did you get that from
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sk92+and+fow&search_type=&aq=f
fow is ness in every single one of those videos...
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sk92+and+fow&search_type=&aq=f
fow is ness in every single one of those videos...
Foxy
Smash Master
Dark Hart
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Foxy
Smash Master
arguing about melee is more technical than arguing about brawl
I think Karn is a woman, he has all the attributes, and it's my decision and I don't feel that I have to explain myself.
lol brawl lol
I think Karn is a woman, he has all the attributes, and it's my decision and I don't feel that I have to explain myself.
lol brawl lol
theAPExp
Smash Ace
imo
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mk isn't or doesn't seem to be as broken in teams
because it limits his ability to play defensively, reactively, or produce the frame traps and squeezes he is extremely good at in singles
i just believe that his key attributes that makes him the best in singles,
are limited because of the basic fundamentals in teams
his near unpublishable recovery is a lot easier to deal with having to worry about 2 opponents
it's much harder to play safe and space opponents in team, from less room to space, and playing too defensively creates 2v1 openings on his partner
mk offensively uses a lot of space, it's much more difficult for him to create his dmg dealing combo's when having to travel through other people. he has to rely on partner follow ups for the most part like the rest of the cast.
the main argument here is that the playstyles that have traditionally made mk overpowered in some eyes, heavy defensive camping and planking, are not as effective in teams.
however, he still has incredible value and uniqueness in teams teams though
probably the best feature of mk in teams is that he can create space and control the field extremely well with moves like mach tornado.
he has the ability to follow up or finish off opponents in extreme places that for the most part are uniquely safe to mk, as mk can get to any part of the screen and back fairly reliably.
he is also one of the few characters that are extremely difficult to produce 2v1's upon. although due to the nature of brawl in itself, it is difficult to produce 2v1's in general, but by comparison mk is one of the harder ones to 2v1.
so do not misunderstand my initial comments, as he is very good in teams
and people can argue him to still be the best in doubles successfully
i don't mean to state that he is worse as a character in teams
i'm saying that some of his "ban worthy" features in singles are dulled because of the way team fundamentals.
whether they are dulled enough to warrant a ban or unban is up to the TO
just giving my $.02
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mk isn't or doesn't seem to be as broken in teams
because it limits his ability to play defensively, reactively, or produce the frame traps and squeezes he is extremely good at in singles
i just believe that his key attributes that makes him the best in singles,
are limited because of the basic fundamentals in teams
his near unpublishable recovery is a lot easier to deal with having to worry about 2 opponents
it's much harder to play safe and space opponents in team, from less room to space, and playing too defensively creates 2v1 openings on his partner
mk offensively uses a lot of space, it's much more difficult for him to create his dmg dealing combo's when having to travel through other people. he has to rely on partner follow ups for the most part like the rest of the cast.
the main argument here is that the playstyles that have traditionally made mk overpowered in some eyes, heavy defensive camping and planking, are not as effective in teams.
however, he still has incredible value and uniqueness in teams teams though
probably the best feature of mk in teams is that he can create space and control the field extremely well with moves like mach tornado.
he has the ability to follow up or finish off opponents in extreme places that for the most part are uniquely safe to mk, as mk can get to any part of the screen and back fairly reliably.
he is also one of the few characters that are extremely difficult to produce 2v1's upon. although due to the nature of brawl in itself, it is difficult to produce 2v1's in general, but by comparison mk is one of the harder ones to 2v1.
so do not misunderstand my initial comments, as he is very good in teams
and people can argue him to still be the best in doubles successfully
i don't mean to state that he is worse as a character in teams
i'm saying that some of his "ban worthy" features in singles are dulled because of the way team fundamentals.
whether they are dulled enough to warrant a ban or unban is up to the TO
just giving my $.02
DJRome
Smash Hero
The turnout will decide it, i think. if people don't come because of mk ban, im sure bill would reconsider the ban
GofG
Smash Champion
unless having no metaknight mains at the tournament makes the tournament more fun.
Ledger_Damayn
Smash Ace
So not even my characters' worst match up >_<
Considering that I got roflstomped by a Lucas, I don't find myself in any place to be able to complain about this decision.
I should be able to make this, probably giving rides to the NC State crew again.
<Warning: Incoming Opinion>
It's his tournament, why are we heckling him? If you think it's truly as bad of a decision as some make it sound, then don't participate in that part of it >_<. The only one that I know personally who is largely affected by this is Flamy, and he's already working pretty hard to get his secondaries down.
Considering that I got roflstomped by a Lucas, I don't find myself in any place to be able to complain about this decision.
I should be able to make this, probably giving rides to the NC State crew again.
<Warning: Incoming Opinion>
It's his tournament, why are we heckling him? If you think it's truly as bad of a decision as some make it sound, then don't participate in that part of it >_<. The only one that I know personally who is largely affected by this is Flamy, and he's already working pretty hard to get his secondaries down.
Shady Penguin
Smash Lord
I'm down for the maximum chillage.
That's probably where I'm going to be 95% of the time that I'm not in a match.
theAPExp
Smash Ace
hey roy
i'll team melee with you in sengin doesn't make it
i gotta team with him though if he does come, "boone ****" and whatnot
i'll team melee with you in sengin doesn't make it
i gotta team with him though if he does come, "boone ****" and whatnot
Uncle
Novus Ordo Seclorum
Looks like there's trouble in broradise again..........
Our usual suspect, the infamous MK, is once again the perpetrator.
His crime: Disturbing the peace
Mr. Knight, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of (bro) law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.
Ladies and gentlemen, the fate of this citizen really should eventually be decided on for good. Keeping him in legal limbo is only damaging competitive smash everywhere. He has the right to a speedy and public trial.
Our usual suspect, the infamous MK, is once again the perpetrator.
His crime: Disturbing the peace
Mr. Knight, you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of (bro) law. You have the right to an attorney. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you.
Ladies and gentlemen, the fate of this citizen really should eventually be decided on for good. Keeping him in legal limbo is only damaging competitive smash everywhere. He has the right to a speedy and public trial.
NC-Echo
Smash Lord
He is still banned in teams.
-ACE-
Gotem City Vigilante
Bill #1 Bro laying down the LAW
Bow down to a true pimp b1tches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bow down to a true pimp b1tches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mr.fizwidget
Smash Champion
rofl...it all makes sense now...