\_---Ephraim For Brawl---_/

[Biggie Smalls]

Path of Radiance(i think it's on the Wii and GC) and Goddes of Dawn(Wii).

Footage from Goddes of Dawn:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=NvfhL1BfByA

Thanks so much. I'm buying GoD. Is the PoR on Wii worth buying if I have the Cube one?

 

[Shuma]

Don't know, i don't own a Wii.

Yet.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Don't know, i don't own a Wii.

Yet.

Is GoD out yet and if you don't own a Wii, you should before december 3. There's going to be a bundle pack I hear with SSBB and The Wii.

 

[Shuma]

I will buy it when i get money. And i don't know if GoD is out yet, better look at www.gamespot.com

 

[Biggie Smalls]

I will buy it when i get money. And i don't know if GoD is out yet, better look at www.gamespot.com

It's only $250. That's a forth of my paycheck. Thanks for the info.

 

[Shuma]

Well i'm a lazy 17 year old as5hole, of course withouth a job.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Well i'm a lazy 17 year old as5hole, of course withouth a job.

Now Now, you make yourself sound like my little sister.

 

[NukeA6]

After reading page 5, it's time to get things straight:

Being in an old game doesn't matter. Look at Pit, Ice Climbers, and Mr. Game and Watch. Nintendo doesn't promote new games in Smash otherwise, there will be no Pit.

Why does Marth have a chance in Brawl?
1. He's the first lord.
2. He appeared in two games.
3. His sword is the Fire Emblem logo in Smash.

Why does Sigurd have a chance?
1. Most popular lord in Japan (though that title might belong to Ike now)
2. FE 4 was considered the best FE game.

Ephraim repping Sacred Stones? GBA FE are looked down in Japan. Over here in USA, that game pales in comparison with FE7 and POR.

 

[Rx-]

I think if we are having another character from FE, it shouldn't be a "Lord". There are so many types of characters, we could get like a Warrior, or a Paladin, or an Assassin. F the lords.

 

[Dark Sonic]

^^Those characters are not important to the games. You'll find that many of them could die and the storyline wouldn't change at all. I've seen people mentioning Titania and Soren and *insert random playable character here*, but what they don't realize is that they are not main characters of the game and it wouldn't be fair to all of the other popular characters if they got in. The most popular characters in the series happen to all be lords anyway, so putting other random characters in just for the sake of diversity would be betraying a lot of fans. FE fans want to see their favorite characters in, not the most unique ones (though that's still holds some significance, becasue they're often popular anyway).

Smash also needs to represent the series itself, and the easiest way to do that is to include the most important characters in the franchise. That's really easy for series like Zelda or Mario where the main character is consistant throught the games, but in FE it's much harder because each game has a new main character. We already have 14 lords that we have to choose from to represent the series, so other characters are out of the question.

 

[Deleted member]

^^Those characters are not important to the games. You'll find that many of them could die and the storyline wouldn't change at all. I've seen people mentioning Titania and Soren and *insert random playable character here*, but what they don't realize is that they are not main characters of the game and it wouldn't be fair to all of the other popular characters if they got in. The most popular characters in the series happen to all be lords anyway, so putting other random characters in just for the sake of diversity would be betraying a lot of fans. FE fans want to see their favorite characters in, not the most unique ones (though that's still holds some significance, becasue they're often popular anyway).

Smash also needs to represent the series itself, and the easiest way to do that is to include the most important characters in the franchise. That's really easy for series like Zelda or Mario where the main character is consistant throught the games, but in FE it's much harder because each game has a new main character. We already have 14 lords that we have to choose from to represent the series, so other characters are out of the question.

QFT.

In a series like Zelda then obviously there can be more batering for PCs, but in Fire Emblem, there is already a large amount of main characters to choose from.

 

[GenG]

He was? I have only seen him in PoR, because I don;t play japanese feces.

feces

I hope you're just trolling or being kewl because calling feces something you haven't ever played is just one step afar from ignorance.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

I hope you're just trolling or being kewl because calling feces something you haven't ever played is just one step afar from ignorance.

I'm calling it that because I can't read it. I never play games that are only in one foreign language, I'd be forfeiting or I'd be pressing the same **** thing twenty times or I'd delete my troops. I hate the fact that Marth's FEs aren't for US, so that's why i don't want him or Roy back.

 

[GenG]

But that doesn't make a game feces.

I can understand you don't want characters you can't feel empathy for but the games are some of the best Fire Emblem out there. Because that, there are groups translating them. These games were released in a time were Nintendo wasn't interested on RPGs (1990-1996), so don't blame the games for Nintendo of America's lack of vision.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

But that doesn't make a game feces.

I can understand you don't want characters you can't feel empathy for but the games are some of the best Fire Emblem out there. Because that, there are groups translating them. These games were released in a time were Nintendo wasn't interested on RPGs (1990-1996), so don't blame the games for Nintendo of America's lack of vision.

Exactly. If there's no old FEs for GBA or virtual console, I will continue ranting about the lost FEs. By the way, isn't FE a tactical game?

 

[ClarkJables]

biggie i agree with you on marth and roy, they were great but i would like to move them aside for newer international FE characters. i wouldn't mind sigurd though as far ad japan only fe rep goes

 

[The_Corax_King]

meh ephraim is lame...

A spear would be cool... but his character is so generic...

Lyn, Ike, and Marth make the best roster IMO...

 

[Dark Sonic]

biggie i agree with you on marth and roy, they were great but i would like to move them aside for newer international FE characters. i wouldn't mind sigurd though as far ad japan only fe rep goes

Marth beats Sigurd. It'd be cool to include Sigurd, but not at the expense of cutting Marth. We just don't have enough slots to include him right now. Marth is more important and argueably more popular.

Honestly, I didn't like Sacred Stones that much. It was just...too easy. The enemies were push overs and even though your stats weren't anything to brag about, they were more than enough to get by.

Blazing Sword (that's the first American FE AKA FE7) was a great game, but compared to some of the FEs before it; well I can see why Japan was pissed. FE was doing so well with FEs 1, 3, 4 and even 5, but fans were disapointed when the first portable FEs weren't up to par.

The only FE that's internationally accepted is FE9 so having widely accepted reps is pretty hard.

However, with Marth already established as an internationally accepted smash character, he's the best rep we've got (other than Ike who's already in.)

 

[ClarkJables]

well sigurd was originally going to be in melee, but he got cut because of time constraints, plus popularity is arguable. i think a great FE list would be ike, that new magic lord from the new FE game, and sigurd because he can use both lance and sword

 

[The_Corax_King]

I wouldn't doubt if sigurd were in...


A lot of people make mention of how much Sakurai wanted him...

 

[ClarkJables]

yah that too, i don't know it would fit with the whole "switching weapons" motiff we are seeing with ike

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Marth beats Sigurd. It'd be cool to include Sigurd, but not at the expense of cutting Marth. We just don't have enough slots to include him right now. Marth is more important and argueably more popular.

Honestly, I didn't like Sacred Stones that much. It was just...too easy. The enemies were push overs and even though your stats weren't anything to brag about, they were more than enough to get by.

Blazing Sword (that's the first American FE AKA FE7) was a great game, but compared to some of the FEs before it; well I can see why Japan was pissed. FE was doing so well with FEs 1, 3, 4 and even 5, but fans were disapointed when the first portable FEs weren't up to par.

The only FE that's internationally accepted is FE9 so having widely accepted reps is pretty hard.

However, with Marth already established as an internationally accepted smash character, he's the best rep we've got (other than Ike who's already in.)

Could you do me a favor and tell me all of the FEs for America? I only have Sacred Stones and Path of Radiance. I'm planning on getting the sequel to PoR later on, but please tell me what else is there?

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Seriously, ayone got a list of games for FEs in America? By the way, What's everyone's opinion on Ephraim getting in? I think it's a hole on one seeing that a POGEYMAN TRAINER got in. It's insanity.

 

[Shuma]

The FE games in america are, Fire Emblem for the GBA, Sacred stones, PoR and GoD. as far as i know.

My point on Ephra? it would be cool if he gets in, unless he gets in and the Black Knight doesn't then it wouldn't be "cool".

 

[OnyxVulpine]

Hmm...

Looks good, has a chance I suppose. Never heard of him since I never play any Fire Emblem games >.>

As long as he feels different than Ike in different ways

-Onyx

 

[Biggie Smalls]

The FE games in america are, Fire Emblem for the GBA, Sacred stones, PoR and GoD. as far as i know.

My point on Ephra? it would be cool if he gets in, unless he gets in and the Black Knight doesn't then it wouldn't be "cool".

Both should get in. Two spearers doesn't destroy the spear diversity, it rather gives more options. How about Blazing Sword, the one the other guy mentioned?

 

[GenG]

Exactly. If there's no old FEs for GBA or virtual console, I will continue ranting about the lost FEs. By the way, isn't FE a tactical game?

Well, the "tactical" genre is a branch of the japanese RPG genre. Fire Emblem was the first game to combine map tactics with RPG features like leveling up, shops and that... but technically is a RPG in spirit.

About Ephraim, yes he is a very cool character by himself, but I don't think the game is totally worth of repping. As Sonic Wave said, was too easy, the previous game at least had some tight points despite how easy it was. Is something wrong with easy games? Not always, but a tactical game isn't an adventure with crazy moments and enjoyable worlds.
If Marth's it's not returning, I'd rather have Ephraim, an original character, over Black Knight who is a high candidate for clone. But I think both characters would work better as ATs.

 

[Hejiru]

I don't think Ephraim will be in Brawl. But it would be cool to have a Spear-weilder in Brawl.

 

[a1j2h5]

Never heard of him, but looks cool.
Though I'd rather keep Roy or Marth rather than add this guy. For that classic feeling.

 

[Dark Sonic]

I wouldn't doubt if sigurd were in...


A lot of people make mention of how much Sakurai wanted him...

True, but he was cut in Melee to make room for Roy. Sakurai didn't Marth because Marth is obviously more important in representing the series. Sigurd was going to be the Marth clone, but Sakurai wanted Roy for advertising purposes so Sigurd got cut.

Both should get in. Two spearers doesn't destroy the spear diversity, it rather gives more options. How about Blazing Sword, the one the other guy mentioned?

Blazing Sword is the first GBA FE in America (the one with Eliwood, Hector, and Lyn). Over here it's just called Fire Emblem, but since it's the 7th game in Japan it has a subtitle just like all the others. The Black Knight uses a Sword. He is able to use lances, but he doesn't in either game he's in. If he gets in he'll probably use the Aldonite.

Sword of Seals (Roy's game) is technically the first FE on the GBA, but it's not available in America.


It's not that I don't want all these cool FE characters getting in, it's just that I don't want to cut an already established, popular, important character like Marth to make room for them. I can see FE having 3 reps at most and I just think there are other characters more deserving of the spot.

The Black Knight is one of the only Major villans to appear in multiple games (the first was Medeus I believe, which is the Dark Dragon Marth fought) and is also a very popular character.

Marth is an already established Melee character and is the first FE lord. He's also 1 of the 2 lords in FE history to appear in a sequel. He commanded your army for 2 full games which still hasn't ever been done (Ike was more like 1.5). I don't see him getting cut.

Ike-confirmed

Micaiah is the newest FE lord and could easily be used to advertise FE10 Goddess of the Dawn (if Ike isn't enough). She's also a girl and a magic user, which would make her a unique character for Brawl (as long as she's not like Zelda.) It could also represent a different side of FE, showing that it's not all about swords (Ephraim could do that too, but a magic user would be more of a contrast).

He's got quite a bit of competition there.

 

[Pvt. Falcon]

Ephraim would be awesome. His lance would be a unique weapon in Brawl; there are plenty of swords. And lances > swords.

 

[Cloud5]

i like long swords but that's me.

 

[Cloud5]

lol wat we talkin about

 

[lyonartime333]

ephriam would add a whole lot 2 the game, it needs a wepon as unique as reignlief. his closest comparable char. would be marth, but with more range in melee, a javelin, and more power(?). his speed would be average i soppose. all in all it sounds great 2 include him.

 

[The_Corax_King]

I really think Ephraim is way too minor to be added...

Plus his character is just so generic...

Lyn would be a better addition IMO... even though she has a sword... she would play a lot differently from any other sword user... plus she has a bow...

A spear user would be cool... but ephraim is just so... lame...

 

[Biggie Smalls]

I really think Ephraim is way too minor to be added...

Plus his character is just so generic...

Lyn would be a better addition IMO... even though she has a sword... she would play a lot differently from any other sword user... plus she has a bow...

A spear user would be cool... but ephraim is just so... lame...

Come on! you say a worldwide character for FE is lame but a japan limited character isn't? Where are you getting the money to buy this high quality crack?

 

[Dark Sonic]

Come on! you say a worldwide character for FE is lame but a japan limited character isn't? Where are you getting the money to buy this high quality crack?

Lyn is from the First American FE, btw. Ephraim really isn't that popular. He was in what is possibly the least popular FE game (at least the worst one in America). He would make a cool smash character, but he doesn't deserve the spot over a lot of other more important and more popular FE lords.

 

[Biggie Smalls]

Lyn is from the First American FE, btw. Ephraim really isn't that popular. He was in what is possibly the least popular FE game (at least the worst one in America). He would make a cool smash character, but he doesn't deserve the spot over a lot of other more important and more popular FE lords.

You're confusing me. Isn't cool the same as popular?

 

[xXGrieverXx (Hayate)]

You're confusing me. Isn't cool the same as popular?

i think he means that:

Ephraim would be an awesome SSBB character.

but he probably won't be in it due to his popularity among fans of FE. there are more popular FE characters like Marth, Roy, Lyn, so on. If u make a poll for which SSBB char would make the cut, of course the popular ones would be chosen for it.

Ephraim can't make the cut without having a high popularity rating.

[off topic: still... EPHRAIM FOR BRAWL!

he has a cool look and a sweet name,
who else could it be but, EPHRAIM!!!

sucks i know, lol.]

 

[Dark Sonic]

You're confusing me. Isn't cool the same as popular?

What I'm saying is that he would make a unique smash character, but that uniqueness is not enough. He could possibly have a very interesting moveset, but including him would be denying another FE character. Ephraim's game doesn't really deserve representation because when compared to the other FEs it's really not that good.

Ephraim isn't as popular as Marth, or Sigurd, or Hector, or Lyn, or Roy, or Ike, or The Black Knight, so why should he get in over any of them?

He also appeared in the worst FE game (the GBA games were already poorly recieved in Japan, but even Americans consider this to be the worst out of the three we have) and wasn't too fascinating as a character. Lyn and Hector are more important FE reps than him because they were the first non-Japanese-only FE lords. The Black Knight is more important because he's appeared in two games and his games have also sold better. Marth get's what the Black Knight has with the added bonus of being the first FE lord and being a very popular character and bringing FE out of Japan. Sigurd was in the most popular FE game. Roy was in the first portable FE and is a very popular melee character (and even then I think he's getting cut).

You can see that Ephraim has a lot of serious competition and not much going for him. Unless we somehow get 8 FE reps I just don't see him getting in.