Official 4BR Tier List V4 - Competitive Insight & Analysis

[MarioManTAW]

If you think that banana is an advantage tool, would you say the same for Witch Time? Both serve the same purpose of limiting the other player's options in neutral, making them neutral tools.

A good advantage tool is one that makes your advantage state stronger by getting more damage off a single hit.
A good neutral tool is one that puts you into advantage state more of the time by making it more likely to get the first hit.

Banana and Witch Time both fall under the latter category, unless you're referring to banana combos, in which case banana can be an advantage tool, but not an OP one.

 

[MarioManTAW]

List of Upsets for Switchfest (Updated as the event continues)

Wasn't Switchfest a while ago?

 

[Yonder]

Wasn't Switchfest a while ago?

I think he means GOML 2.

Add Elegant + Supergirlkels 2-1 Nairo + Tweek to upsets.

 

[Envoy of Chaos]

If you think that banana is an advantage tool, would you say the same for Witch Time? Both serve the same purpose of limiting the other player's options in neutral, making them neutral tools.

A good advantage tool is one that makes your advantage state stronger by getting more damage off a single hit.
A good neutral tool is one that puts you into advantage state more of the time by making it more likely to get the first hit.

Banana and Witch Time both fall under the latter category, unless you're referring to banana combos, in which case banana can be an advantage tool, but not an OP one.

If you want to look at it that way then yeah I would see how it falls in under as a neutral tool. The pressure of his banana in hand is what I'm looking at more and how it can affect neutral to a point where just holding it gives him a advantage more so in some MUs than others.

 

[The_Bookworm]

I think he means GOML 2.

Add Elegant + Supergirlkels 2-1 Nairo + Tweek to upsets.

Yeah. Opps. Might as well re-post this to the new page.

List of Upsets for GOML 2018 (Updated as the event continues)
VoiDNAKAT (vs) VenomSmokk 1-2 (Brudders unite.)
NairoTweek (vs) ElegantSuperGirlKels 1-2
ESAMMVD (vs) ElegantSuperGirlKels 2-3
MKLeo Mistake (vs) ANTiSamsora 2-3 (An upset because MKLeo is part of it.)
MKLeoMistake (vs) ElegantSuperGirlKels 1-3
ANTi (vs) LetsTickle 0-2
Fatality (vs) Glutonny 2-3

 

[The_Bookworm]

{Opps. Sorry for the double posting. RIP}

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GOML 2018 (A Tier) (446 Entrants) (Of course, going to be updated)

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25th: blanc
25th: Venom
Notable Players Out Earlier:
33rd: K9sbruce
33rd: Meru
33rd: Scot!
33rd: Blank
33rd: Glare
49th: SuperGirlKels
49th: Smokk
49th: Deathorse
49th: V115
49th: Big D
49th: Poke
49th: Alphicans
65th: Kiraflax
65th: Firefly
65th: VoiD (DQ'ed)
257th: Angel Cortez (DQ'ed)
257th: Cosmos (DQ'ed)
257th: Mr. R (DQ'ed)
257th: pu55yk1ng (DQ'ed)


GOML 2018 Doubles (119 Entrants)
1st: ElegantSuperGirlKels
2nd: MKLeoMistake
3rd: SamsoraANTi
4th: ESAMMVD
5th: VoiDNAKAT
5th: GlutonnyMeru
7th: SmokkVenom
7th: FatalityWaDi
9th: GlareBlacktwins
9th: VaporAsprey
9th: TweekNairo
9th: StrikeRazor Devil
13th: K9sbruceKiraFlax
13th: LimaAkashi
13th: THUNDERChris Fisch
13th: Firefly Big D


Battle Arena Melbourne 10 (C Tier) (187 Entrants)
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[Iridium]

I know Mistake wanted to have fun that set, but why go Robin? MkLeo probably had some terrible thoughts in his head, but eh. They could still come back from this. Anyways, I had no idea Ninkendo was commentating!

 

[Yonder]

So I've been actively watching doubles today and Elegant + Kels (Kelegant) beat Samsora + Anti 3-2 to go to GFs.

Honestly? Since the double Cloud ban, I've been WAY more interested in doubles now. It's actually hype to watch, and a lot more balanced. I'm praying the double Cloud ban stays in effect permanently, because these doubles are some of the best I've seen in Smash 4's lifespan.

 

[|RK|]

So I've been actively watching doubles today and Elegant + Kels (Kelegant) beat Samsora + Anti 3-2 to go to GFs.

Honestly? Since the double Cloud ban, I've been WAY more interested in doubles now. It's actually hype to watch, and a lot more balanced. I'm praying the double Cloud ban stays in effect permanently, because these doubles are some of the best I've seen in Smash 4's lifespan.

Double Cloud hasn't been an issue though, as many people pointed out when GOML announced it. The issue is Cloud period - and as VoiD says, the strength of grab in doubles in general.

Smash n' Splash addresses the actual issue, which is Cloud period.

 

[Yonder]

Double Cloud hasn't been an issue though, as many people pointed out when GOML announced it. The issue is Cloud period - and as VoiD says, the strength of grab in doubles in general.

Smash n' Splash addresses the actual issue, which is Cloud period.

Solo Cloud is still far and away the best double character yeah cause of set ups, limit camp, fixable recovery etc. But the results of single cloud dominance isn't evident yet, whereas double clouds won all double tournaments, it needed to be altered quick. If single cloud dominanted for a couple of months,then a ban can be warranted too, but banning double clouds ruffled so many people that they could just be making it a weaning process. People would have been much more opposed if no cloud whatsoever was in effect when results haven't had a chance to play out yet.

 

[FeelMeUp]

But the results of single cloud dominance isn't evident yet.

Okay, are we watching the same game?

 

[|RK|]

Solo Cloud is still far and away the best double character yeah cause of set ups, limit camp, fixable recovery etc. But the results of single cloud dominance isn't evident yet, whereas double clouds won all double tournaments, it needed to be altered quick. If single cloud dominanted for a couple of months,then a ban can be warranted too, but banning double clouds ruffled so many people that they could just be making it a weaning process. People would have been much more opposed if no cloud whatsoever was in effect when results haven't had a chance to play out yet.

I meant that @Das Koopa has shown it with numbers. Double Cloud hasn't won much - single Cloud is the real issue for doubles. People feel like they need a Cloud on their team to compete. So GOML actually missed the message by a bit.

Smash n' Splash banned him from doubles entirely as a result.

 

[The_Bookworm]

Honestly Elegant and SuperGirlKels deserved that win. MKLeo and Mistake was both flubbing very badly and trying to go for the disrespect all the time.

 

[Yonder]

If anyone had a friendly be on Elegant and SGK winning doubles, they just won a lot of money...I mean I didn't expect it. Congrats Kelegant! Can't wait for VODs

 

[The_Bookworm]

Mr. R, Cosmos, and pu55yk1ng all DQ'ed from the event. Mr. R DQ'ed because he overslept and missed his pool RIP.

 

[Prince Koopa Jr]

Mr. R, Cosmos, and pu55yk1ng all DQ'ed from the event. Mr. R DQ'ed because he overslept and missed his pool RIP.

Darn, rip Mr. R, that's unfortunate that they have all been DQ'ed.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

GOML'S UPSET LIST!
ANTi lost to Lets Tickle 2-0!
Venom lost to Strike 3-0!
Blank lost to Blanc 3-0!
Fatality lost to Gluttony 3-2!
Dabuz lost to komorikiri 3-1!

 

[Ordeaux26]

Anti lost to letstickle 2 0

that was pretty crazy now captain l is projected to get 13th just thought i would point that out

 

[Yonder]

Darn, rip Mr. R, that's unfortunate that they have all been DQ'ed.

To add insult to injury for Sheik,apparently Void dropped out due to personal reasons just now.

 

[The_Bookworm]

To add insult to injury for Sheik,apparently Void dropped out due to personal reasons just now.

He said in his Twitter prior to the event that he wasn't feeling very good. He got 65th overall.

However, that also means that blanc is in top 64 winner's side.

 

[Iridium]

He said in his Twitter prior to the event that he wasn't feeling very good. He got 65th overall.

However, that also means that blanc is in top 64 winner's side.

I have also heard that Dabuz got DQ'd, but I will check to make sure.
Edit: Nope. Twitch chat lied again.

Also, ESAM 2-1 Meru , so yeah.

Mistake 3-0 Elegant with one of the most anticlimactic finishes I have ever seen. He killed Elegant, then immediately spiked him about 5 seconds later to end him at 20%.

 

[Ordeaux26]

Mistake just beat Elegant 3-0

the set was a crazy mistake is an amazing player

 

[Lord Dio]

is there a stream for smash 4? can't find one

 

[The_Bookworm]

is there a stream for smash 4? can't find one

https://www.twitch.tv/evenmatchupgaming2
https://www.twitch.tv/evenmatchupgaming4

 

[Iridium]

Strike 3-0 Venom with a near dominant display, almost getting a 6-stock! Venom is out at 25th.

 

[J0eyboi]

I know Mistake wanted to have fun that set, but why go Robin? MkLeo probably had some terrible thoughts in his head, but eh. They could still come back from this. Anyways, I had no idea Ninkendo was commentating!

Robin-Cloud isn't a terrible team comp. Each has a bunch of bull**** that the other can give them free setups into. In particular, the fact that all of Robin's aerials save nair and smash attacks have the electric property isn't super helpful for him in singles, as his mobility significantly limits his follow-up options, but in doubles, your partner can basically get whatever followups they want afterwards, which is especially useful when your partner has Finishing Touch. Basically, both have a bunch of stupid kill moves and a bunch of moves that will let the other land their stupid kill moves.

 

[Prince Koopa Jr]

Strike 3-0 Venom with a near dominant display, almost getting a 6-stock! Venom is out at 25th.

Strike seems just as potent a shiek as void or Mr. R, he 3-0 venom in a dominant display of sheik gameplay.

 

[Lord Dio]

blanc 3-0 Blank
in a very entertaining set

 

[The_Bookworm]

blanc is showing the works today, even if he got bodied by MVD.

Btw, the results of this tournament is showed at my comment above and it obviously will get updated as the event goes on. It also includes doubles for the tournament as well as Battle Arena Melbourne 10.

 

[Iridium]

blanc 3-0 Blank in losers. Blank played so strangely this entire set, and he died to a lot of rage and SDs, but this is a good performance from a Koopaling main.

 

[JustCallMeJon]

Gluttony won against Fatality 3-2!

For some reason, it is off stream..

FeelsBadMan

 

[Lord Dio]

gluttony 3-2 fatality
aaaaaaand it was offstream for who knows why

 

[Iridium]

blanc 3-0 Blank in losers. Blank played so strangely this entire set, and he died to a lot of rage and SDs, but this is a good performance from a Koopaling main.

DSS 3-0 blanc with a dominant performance to immediately end his losers run. Good performance from blanc though.

gluttony 3-2 fatality
aaaaaaand it was offstream for who knows why

What did Fatality place? Honestly not surprised Glutonny won, as he already beat him before.

 

[The_Bookworm]

DSS 3-0 blanc with a dominant performance to immediately end his losers run. Good performance from blanc though.

What did Fatality place? Honestly not surprised Glutonny won, as he already beat him before.

Fatality is in loser's now. I don't remember those two facing off before...

 

[Lord Dio]

Fatality is in loser's now. I don't remember those two facing off before...

fatality went to europe for something and gluto beat him.

larry vs gluto is also offstream, ugh.
nvm

 

[The_Bookworm]

fatality went to europe for something and gluto beat him.

larry vs gluto is also offstream, ugh.

No. It is going to be in EMG2's stream!

 

[Iridium]

Fatality is in loser's now. I don't remember those two facing off before...

My mind is mangled right now. Anyways, SGK is dealing with Z to not get 49th right now.

Edit: Z 2-1 SGK for 49th. Very tragic, considering how she won doubles with Elegant. She just got double eliminated by Mewtwo. The_Bookworm , this is for you.

 

[Lord Dio]

holy ****
Larry massacred Gluto

 

[The_Bookworm]

holy ****
Larry massacred Gluto

It wasn't much of a massacre. Gluto took game 1, and games 2 and 3 was close.

 

[Iridium]

ANTi 3-0 K9sbruce in a dominant performance to stay alive in losers. The ending to game 2 was just chaotic yet hilarious.

Komorikiri (?) 3-1 Dabuz ! This is great, right Lord Dio ?