Official 4BR Tier List v2.0 - Competitive Impressions

[NotLiquid]

ALLY THE ABSOLUTE GOD DAMN MAD MAN

 

[ThePokéYoshi]

ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY OMG THAT WAS AMAZING

Who would've expected Midwest VS Japan in finals?

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Midwest vs Japan For finals of crew battle....no one expected this

 

[blackghost]

wow kameme jut downloaded salem in one night. thats crazy. amazing what happens when you try to learn instead of complain....
ally great win but zero is killing himself with these predictable recoveries. he always goes high with monkey flip when hes pressured or nervous.

 

[adom4]

ESAM lost to Frozen 2-1.

 

[Wintermelon43]

Midwest vs Japan For finals of crew battle....no one expected this

.....I did. I sometimes expect upsets since they happen so much lol. I just randomly thought this may happen.

ESAM lost to Frozen 2-1.

Spoiler

 

[FamilyTeam]

Well FamilyTeam , unfortunately Kogarasuma lost to Rich Brown. It was 2-1 however. Let's hope he can make a strong losers run.

...Ah, bugger...
Well, let's hope so.

 

[ARISTOS]

ESAM lost to Frozen 2-1.

Who is Frozen?

 

[Wintermelon43]

Who is Frozen?

Corrin main from tristate.

 

[TimidKitsune129]

Who is Frozen?

A Corrin player from NY. Got 17th at Smash Con.

 

[FamilyTeam]

Oh, and about seeding: Yes, it is crucial. Very.
When we were organizing our first local with Challonge, the first time, literally every single one of our good players was up against another good player, and that would mean a lot of big matches that definitely weren't fit for Round freaking 1 would be taking place early, and that would also mean some players basically would have to start on Losers. We had to come up with some seeds to atleast kind of balance that.

 

[L9999]

What is up with all these Corrin upsets?

 

[chaos11011]

Kinda sad about how Craftis got the shaft bc he uses a Pro Controller and apparently they aren't allowed for Big House. I understand why they ban it, cuz low/mid level players tend to always forget them synced when they leave, but if the player is pretty known in their region and they go to tournaments often, they already know they should be held accountable and take the proper previsions to prevent stuff like that.

A player shouldn't be at fault for what type of controller they use

 

[Das Koopa]

Round 2 Pools Brackets, Winner's Side

Spoiler: J201

Ally v James
True Blue v WaDi
Mr. E v Nick Riddle
Pink Fresh v Calculus

Spoiler: J205

Saj v Seagull Joe
Sodrek v Komorikiri
SuperGirlKels v Ryuga
Larry Lurr v Ri-Ma

Spoiler: J209

Ksev v Abadango
Pugwest v 6WX
Zex v Mr. R
Samsora v Fatality

Spoiler: J213

Dabuz v King James
NAKAT v Shogun
Salem v MJG
Rich Brown v Kie

Spoiler: K201

CaptainZack v Mew2King
VoiD v LingLing
Dyr v Ned
Puppeh v ANTi

Spoiler: K205

Nairo v Vivid
K9 v Static Manny
Zinoto v Cosmos
FILIP v Aarvark

Spoiler: K209

Tweek v JK
JJROCKETS v Frozen
Rayquaza07 v MVD
ZeRo v Venom

Spoiler: K213

Karna v Kameme
8BitMan v False
TheReflexWonder v Marss
DKWill v Wrath

ESAM, Blacktwins, Dath, and DarkShad all are in loser's bracket. Certain players (Raff-X, Wizzy, LordMix) didn't attend.

 

[TDK]

Singles Upset Counter:

Vivid -> Dath
Frozen -> ESAM

Fairly quiet tournament so far.

EDIT: Did every good peach in attendance make Round 2 winners side?

 

[FamilyTeam]

Dath's not out, yeah? I really wanna see that dude shine again. But Kogarasuma is above him, for me, don't tell 'em that -3-
He (Dath) kinda became one of my favourite players after that display. Woah.
Also, did anyone actually comment about Ally's win over victory in Crews? That was incredible. He carried that match right outta hell.

---

Well, just as another example to talk about importance of seeding: in that very same tournament I described earlier, before we did the seeds, we had all 4 out of 5 of our best players meeting up in the first round, and that created a few problems other than just "having the best matches too early".
The biggest problem it kinda generated was that due to the layout the bracket ended up having, one of our best players was guaranteed to be 0-2'd out, while it was also guaranteed one of our unskilled randoms would end up in Winners Semis.
Two of the good players were guaranteed to lose from the start, and due to their position in the bracket, the two losers would meet up at LBR1, and thus someone good would have to be 0-2'd instantly. Meanwhile, the other side of the bracket was filled with people that didn't even play the game all that well, and even though they lacked skill, they would never meet any real opposition up until Winners Semis. That was unacceptable. We had to redo everything and we made one bracket that was slightly less crap, and with proper seeding.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Kinda sad about how Craftis got the shaft bc he uses a Pro Controller and apparently they aren't allowed for Big House. I understand why they ban it, cuz low/mid level players tend to always forget them synced when they leave, but if the player is pretty known in their region and they go to tournaments often, they already know they should be held accountable and take the proper previsions to prevent stuff like that.

A player shouldn't be at fault for what type of controller they use

Can't make exceptions. Looks bad. High/Top level players can forget as well, particularly if they get salty over a match and leave in a fit.

Gotta know the possibilities when you pick your controller type. If you can be forced not to use it, don't pick that controller.

 

[L9999]

Are we really going to throw non-GC controllers to the dumpster like we did with the Miis?

 

[TDK]

Round 2 Pools Brackets, Winner's Side

Spoiler: J201

Ally v
v WaDi
Mr. E v
Pink Fresh v

Spoiler: J205

Saj v
v Komorikiri
SuperGirlKels v
Larry Lurr v

Spoiler: J209

v Abadango
v 6WX
Mr. R
Samsora v

Spoiler: J213

Dabuz v
v Shogun
Salem v
Rich Brown v Kie - Abstaining

Spoiler: K201

CaptainZack v (M2K seems to have a lot of trouble with Bayonettas)
VoiD v
v Ned
ANTi (Cheering for Puppeh but logically speaking)

Spoiler: K205

Nairo v
K9
Zinoto v
FILIP v

Spoiler: K209

Tweek v
v Frozen
Rayquaza07 v
ZeRo v

Spoiler: K213

v Kameme
8BitMan v
v Marss
v Wrath

ESAM, Blacktwins, Dath, and DarkShad all are in loser's bracket. Certain players (Raff-X, Wizzy, LordMix) didn't attend.

Gone ahead and edited the above with my preditctions.

 

[Nidtendofreak]

Are we really going to throw non-GC controllers to the dumpster like we did with the Miis?

Wireless problems are wireless problems. Can't really get around the fact that they ain't an option for massive tournaments.

Wireless GC controllers got the same treatment back in Brawl.

 

[Yonder]

Round 2 Pools Brackets, Winner's Side

Spoiler: J201

Ally v James
True Blue v WaDi
Mr. E v Nick Riddle
Pink Fresh v Calculus

Spoiler: J205

Saj v Seagull Joe
Sodrek v Komorikiri
SuperGirlKels v Ryuga
Larry Lurr v Ri-Ma

Spoiler: J209

Ksev v Abadango
Pugwest v 6WX
Zex v Mr. R
Samsora v Fatality

Spoiler: J213

Dabuz v King James
NAKAT v Shogun
Salem v MJG
Rich Brown v Kie

Spoiler: K201

CaptainZack v Mew2King
VoiD v LingLing
Dyr v Ned
Puppeh v ANTi

Spoiler: K205

Nairo v Vivid
K9 v Static Manny
Zinoto v Cosmos
FILIP v ??? (Likely either Aarvark or Remzi )

Spoiler: K209

Tweek v JK
JJROCKETS v Frozen
Rayquaza07 v MVD
ZeRo v Venom

Spoiler: K213

Karna v Kameme
8BitMan v False
TheReflexWonder v Marss
DKWill v Wrath

ESAM, Blacktwins, Dath, and DarkShad all are in loser's bracket. Certain players (Raff-X, Wizzy, LordMix) didn't attend.

By my standards, not a single uncommon character breaking out at this tournament asides from King James and DDD. He is going up against one of the best, Dabuz though so the dream may die out quick.(unless someone whips out a low tier counterpick that's all well see from them)..bit of a shame viewing wise, there is always usually one underdog participating too. This may be the most expected tournament so far in terms of any upsets happening too. Very standard.

Ahh well. I predict Anti or Ally is going to win this whole thing btw. Actually,

1st: Anti
2nd: Ally
3rd: Zero (JOKING)
4th: Dabuz
5th: Abadango
6th: Larry Lurr
7th: Salem
8th: Void

Other close placing: Kamemushi , Ned Nairo


There. I win premium if my predictions are correct now k? (Joking, I gave my premium away last time I won it on here)

 

[FamilyTeam]

Are we really going to throw non-GC controllers to the dumpster like we did with the Miis?

This is the only reason I'm training for both GC and WUPC...

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Singles Upset Counter:

Vivid -> Dath
Frozen -> ESAM

Fairly quiet tournament so far.

EDIT: Did every good peach in attendance make Round 2 winners side?

Actually Vivid beat Black Twins. Arc beat Dath, not sure if he's in winners.

 

[Deleted member]

Round 2 Pools Brackets, Winner's Side

Spoiler: J201

Ally v James
True Blue v WaDi
Mr. E v Nick Riddle
Pink Fresh v Calculus

Spoiler: J205

Saj v Seagull Joe
Sodrek v Komorikiri
SuperGirlKels v Ryuga
Larry Lurr v Ri-Ma

Spoiler: J209

Ksev v Abadango
Pugwest v 6WX
Zex v Mr. R
Samsora v Fatality

Spoiler: J213

Dabuz v King James
NAKAT v Shogun
Salem v MJG
Rich Brown v Kie

Spoiler: K201

CaptainZack v Mew2King
VoiD v LingLing
Dyr v Ned
Puppeh v ANTi

Spoiler: K205

Nairo v Vivid
K9 v Static Manny
Zinoto v Cosmos
FILIP v ??? (Likely either Aarvark or Remzi )

Spoiler: K209

Tweek v JK
JJROCKETS v Frozen
Rayquaza07 v MVD
ZeRo v Venom

Spoiler: K213

Karna v Kameme
8BitMan v False
TheReflexWonder v Marss
DKWill v Wrath

ESAM, Blacktwins, Dath, and DarkShad all are in loser's bracket. Certain players (Raff-X, Wizzy, LordMix) didn't attend.

King James is a Diddy main, he dropped Dedede.

 

[Minordeth]

Good lord, y'all better rewind and see 6wx and seagull joe get taken out in doubles by an insanely synergistic charizard/Mario team. Charizard may end up a counter pick character, but I can see a future in doubles, especially when his pretty great neutral and advantage tools can shine and his booty landing options are covered by a quicker teammate.

 

[meticulousboy]

Here's a possibly better matchup chart for Peach. Little Mac is still her best matchup, it seems.

She doesn't seem to struggle with some top tiers. Heck. She even bodies the high tiers. The first one I posted seemed wrong to me when Yoshi was considered even for Peach. But I like this one. Please share your thoughts. How would Peach rise in the meta now?

 

[outfoxd]

Good lord, y'all better rewind and see 6wx and seagull joe get taken out in doubles by an insanely synergistic charizard/Mario team. Charizard may end up a counter pick character, but I can see a future in doubles, especially when his pretty great neutral and advantage tools can shine and his booty landing options are covered by a quicker teammate.

That team would be Linus and Hawk, a twin brother team from Michigan that mostly only played doubles until recently. They've always been known for landing ridiculous team combos and maining roughly half the cast each. Good to see them on the big stage. Edit: mostly only played doubles. Don't get misconceptions

 

[|RK|]

Wireless problems are wireless problems. Can't really get around the fact that they ain't an option for massive tournaments.

Wireless GC controllers got the same treatment back in Brawl.

It's still dumb for Pro Controllers. I use a Pro Controller with no battery. Zero desyncing problems, because you just unplug the controller. Is that not allowed, even?

 

[CodeBlue_]

Round 2 Pools Brackets, Winner's Side

Spoiler: J201

Ally v James
True Blue v WaDi
Mr. E v Nick Riddle
Pink Fresh v Calculus

Spoiler: J205

Saj v Seagull Joe
Sodrek v Komorikiri
SuperGirlKels v Ryuga
Larry Lurr v Ri-Ma

Spoiler: J209

Ksev v Abadango
Pugwest v 6WX
Zex v Mr. R
Samsora v Fatality

Spoiler: J213

Dabuz v King James
NAKAT v Shogun
Salem v MJG
Rich Brown v Kie

Spoiler: K201

CaptainZack v Mew2King
VoiD v LingLing
Dyr v Ned
Puppeh v ANTi

Spoiler: K205

Nairo v Vivid
K9 v Static Manny
Zinoto v Cosmos
FILIP v ??? (Likely either Aarvark or Remzi )

Spoiler: K209

Tweek v JK
JJROCKETS v Frozen
Rayquaza07 v MVD
ZeRo v Venom

Spoiler: K213

Karna v Kameme
8BitMan v False
TheReflexWonder v Marss
DKWill v Wrath

ESAM, Blacktwins, Dath, and DarkShad all are in loser's bracket. Certain players (Raff-X, Wizzy, LordMix) didn't attend.

Brackets says Aarvark is in winners 2-1 over Remzi

 

[Pazzo.]

That team would be Linus and Hawk, a twin brother team from Michigan that mostly only played doubles until recently. They've always been known for landing ridiculous team combos and maining roughly half the cast each. Good to see them on the big stage. Edit: mostly only played doubles. Don't get misconceptions

Those wily twins and their mind reading...

Anyway, looking forward to watching the two. Charizard's such a dynamic heavyweight.

 

[TDK]

Kinda miffed Lord Mix didn't attend. Would've loved to see some top-notch play

 

[Y2Kay]

Greninja beats Peach solidly. She has poor mobility in comparison, and has really rough time with shurikens as well. Greninja really rips her a new one in advantage state, her frame is perfect for Greninja combos.

That list is a little on the conservative side if you ask me.

 

[TheGoodGuava]

MK being anything better than a 30:70 is disgusting, LM being worse than a 75:25 is disgusting

 

[TDK]

People like to talk about Bayo/Ganon or Rosa/Ganon being the most one-sided matchup in the game but it might be Pac/Mac. It's that bad.

 

[Das Koopa]

shogun was an even weaker link than i expected

Midwest is in a pretty good position in crews at the moment. The good news for Japan is that nobody on the midwest team is quite as explosive as ANTi can be.

 

[Minordeth]

Shogun seemed like he was on autopilot Fox for most of that exchange. Like, why so many FH dairs when cloud loves getting into an air game? Ned is super solid tho, and played well, so no shade to him.

 

[verbatim]

Wireless problems are wireless problems. Can't really get around the fact that they ain't an option for massive tournaments.

Wireless GC controllers got the same treatment back in Brawl.

Big house banned Pro Controllers without batteries (i.e., only wired) and 3DS controllers (which can't turn a game off).

EVO ran a 5000 person Street Fighter Bracket w/ wireless controllers only and no issues. We are years away from a 3000 person smash event, and years away from an event with 100 wireless controllers.

 

[Das Koopa]

Kie has been the straight-up MVP. Shogun and Aba turned out terrible performances in crews.

Kinda surprised that Kie's doing this well after all his bad placements in the Summer but it's certainly something. He ran through Marss and most of Tweek's stocks and beat Ally head-to-head.

 

[Minordeth]

Maaaan, Kie and Ally was just delightful amounts of yomi. From ally literally running around Kies shield, to Kie strategically turning on Peach movement and set ups, I wouldn't mind seeing a full set between these two.

Rayquaza sweatin bullets over taking one stock off of Kie speaks volumes.

Edit: okay for good reason. Go figure peach edge guards Rosa like a savage

 

[TDK]

That was the best comeback in smash 4 crews history