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It IS still a local, so I'm not too surprised. Serynder is among the better players there. Nice to see him come out and play. Puff is a dying art.
This is what happens when a character starts picking up steam like Greninja is now. People start taking notice of (and complaining about) tools the character always had. Not to say anyone's complained excessively about SSHC but it seems to have raised some eyebrows.
Once is a fluke, twice is a coincidence, thrice is a pattern. One person doing stupid Luigi stuff is just one person, but a bunch of people? That's indicative of something. And so it is with Greninja's SSHC - now that it's getting more attention, people are noticing even though it's been around for ages.
Yeah it's not fun for a lot of characters knowing they land a multi hit attack (e.g sheik fsmash, zss up-b and Greninja has a win button to free him from death.
from...cheesing him.
This is my best guess, although I'm at a loss to explain exactly what about Shadow Sneak would make it so hard to patch.
Just going to make a slight correction here, the reason why sshc was good prepatch against mk (and still is) is that it can be used to escape sourspot shuttle loop after the first hit. It was never because of the combo (in which case you could read the sshc and still kill)SSHC is a unique type of cheese. It's main competitive purpose is to keep characters like
Two of those elevator combos don't exist anymore, keep in mind that main reasons it's still here is that a.) it keeps the likes of pre patch MK and bayo from killing at absurdly low percent b.) it doesn't let him destroy these characters regardless. He has a small edge over them at best.
I'm okay with an unoppressive character have a gimmicky anti-cheese tactic
Most iterations of Ninja Kirby have an ability similar to SSHC where pressing the attack button right after taking damage makes him disappear and reappear with an explosion.
upset Boss in WSF, before falling to Zenyou in WF and losing a rematch to Boss. Boss then reset the bracket on Zenyou but couldn't finish the job. http://dcesportslans.challonge.com/cfas03302016_smash4
This is why I have been playing this character. I have been trying to learn how to become a better player and understand fundamentals of this game. Mewtwo reinforcing smart play may give me a much healthier mindset in the long run. Is there any other characters that can do this?Mewtwo doesn't encourage offensive play, or defensive play. The only thing that really matters to mewtwo is smart play. And that is why I believe Mewtwo will probably never have a big player base, because he requires good amount of knowledge on the game and good decision making.
If you mean ZSS' elevator is one of those two combos not existing anymore, nothing has been done about it. It never existed to begin with aside from killing light characters with rage (sometimes heavier ones too), which it still does. People are just better at dealing with it now.SSHC is a unique type of cheese. It's main competitive purpose is to keep characters like
Two of those elevator combos don't exist anymore, keep in mind that main reasons it's still here is that a.) it keeps the likes of pre patch MK and bayo from killing at absurdly low percent b.) it doesn't let him destroy these characters regardless. He has a small edge over them at best.
I'm okay with an unoppressive character have a gimmicky anti-cheese tactic
The big names to look out for at Avalon are S1-14 [winning record against istudy], Sodrek [9th at Beast VI, 2nd at PPT], Longo [top placing ROB, 4th at PPT] and Yoh [a very good and underrated Ike player from Germany].
I'd say Ryu, once players learn to stop being obsessed with the combos he can do.This is why I have been playing this character. I have been trying to learn how to become a better player and understand fundamentals of this game. Mewtwo reinforcing smart play may give me a much healthier mindset in the long run. Is there any other characters that can do this?
The ONLY thing that should be fixed about Mewtwo is his teleport. Why it does not snap to the ledge like other teleport recoveries is beyond me. It really makes recovering much more of a pain than it should.
In short, bounces happen if you try to teleport right after a hit or letting go of the ledge to regrab. It just so happens that Teleport is the only warp move fast enough to run afoul of these rules.
Seeing how the Smash 4 community still hasn't grown up to the point of understanding exploits of disadvantage state even though you get dominated in Neutral & in your own disadvantage doesn't make a matchup your character's favor is pretty outstanding. It's not like Luigi has even a chaingrab, he is pretty threatening when he grabs you, but with the right reactions & given Cloud's good landing options, i really can't see Luigi vs Cloud being Luigi's favor at all.
Luigi is obviously too high (good Lord, I wish Luigi was top tier), but I will be the first one to defend that his disadvantage is very underrated. I used to think it was complete ****e too...until I saw ConCon land with no troubles against the likes of Void's Sheik and made people work to gimp him. That being said, being underrated doesn't make it great. His recovery is only 'meh' until you can get Jumpless cyclone down (no easy task) and his floatiness can cause problems (especially if you have to try to get past Clouds Uairs). Slippery is probably the best word to use. His advantage is still great (especially with what might be the best gimping move in the game) but not being able to kill off grab anymore is still a noticeable boon. Plus, even with gimping, Cloud can still contend with Luigi's advantage with less effort and his neutral game is positively better than Luigi's. He commands more space and can easily bait Luigi's approach. The MU itself isn't bad at all from my experience (especially if you play it smart and patient), but Luigi definitely doesn't win it. Also, if Luigi doesn't have any counters, then what the hell is Mega Man doing on the character select screen?
It is strange seeing Greninja low. During the 3ds days I thought he was surely top 5, but then he got significant nerfs. However, since then, the game mechanics have changed, and he's gotten buffed again... not quite to the level of absurdity he had in 3ds, but he's overall more solid all around now. The other top tiers, including his worst matchups, have been nerfed. I'm not saying Greninja is top 5 anymore, but he's definitely a solid contender for winning tournaments by himself, so he's... up there somewhere?!
has possibly 4 losing matchups IF any, which are , , and . He could go even with all these four as well. I consider to be especially difficult if the plays it like Ranai. is easily back to top 5 in the game again. He has the tools, punishes, and option select to make any matchup hard. It's really hard to debate where he is in the meta. I think it's hard to debate where is in the meta too because the character can be also considered top 5 again at best. could beat now, but time will tell. I may just be absurdly good at the matchup. Dunno. to S tier, to E tier, and to E tier.
Actually S1-14 and iStudy go back and forth a lot, I remember last Avalon iStudy won against him in winners but then lost to him at losers or something. I don't think either has a winning record against the other right now but I might be wrong.The big names to look out for at Avalon are S1-14 [winning record against istudy].
At the very least, Rosalina can space with Luma in order to put pressure on Bayonetta without risking Witch Time. That's something few characters can boast.
Nairo's 1-1 with hyuga now and just beat this other toon link that took a game from him but nick riddle and marss have also both beaten hyuga.
