Official 4BR Tier List v1.0 - Competitive Impressions

[DanGR]

KamikazePotato Really cool illustrations! One thing though- Smash4's hitboxes are interpolated, meaning (practically speaking) you can draw hitboxes between the swinging hits of the continuous sword attacks. So for upsmash, jab3, uptilt, etc. they need hitboxes present for the whole swing of the sword.

 

[sedrf]

https://www.twitch.tv/pastimelegends
NEW FISH Smash 4 ft Larry Lurr, MVD, Ally, Marss, Pugwest, Mr. E, San, C3PO, LingLing, Dark Wizzy

https://www.twitch.tv/gooshigaming
Rebirth VII - A MI Regional feat. Vinnie, DKWill, MJG, Zinoto, Ned, Ksev, Ryuga, and more!

These 2 tournies are on right now

 

[Macedonian]

The Ike illustrations are badass, I did not see the cordon ones? Are they in the charachter thread?

And I would love to see the airial map, especially the up air I have a hell of a time figuring out that hitbox sometimes

 

[KamikazePotato]

KamikazePotato Really cool illustrations! One thing though- Smash4's hitboxes are interpolated, meaning (practically speaking) you can draw hitboxes between the swinging hits of the continuous sword attacks. So for upsmash, jab3, uptilt, etc. they need hitboxes present for the whole swing of the sword.

So they are! Forgot about that. Looked up how exactly how the interpolated hitboxes work - Frame 5 of an interpolated move will both draw lines from Frame 5 to Frame 4, and will also include the entire base (non-interpolated) hitbox of Frame 4 in the Frame 5 hitbox. So for the jabs, it looks something like:

Let me know if this is readable for your guys...it's actually quite hard to make it so due to how much the hitboxes overlap when interpolation is taken into effect.

 

[KamikazePotato]

The Ike illustrations are badass, I did not see the cordon ones? Are they in the charachter thread?

And I would love to see the airial map, especially the up air I have a hell of a time figuring out that hitbox sometimes

Glad you liked them! I haven't posted them to the character thread yet, trying to get any potential issues ironed out here first.

I took a look at the aerial hitboxes - they're going to be a big pain to do haha. Nair has 16 active frames I'll have to individually put on the map. Uair also has some of the weirdest hitboxes in the entire game, yeah.

 

[Das Koopa]

https://www.twitch.tv/pastimelegends
NEW FISH Smash 4 ft Larry Lurr, MVD, Ally, Marss, Pugwest, Mr. E, San, C3PO, LingLing, Dark Wizzy

https://www.twitch.tv/gooshigaming
Rebirth VII - A MI Regional feat. Vinnie, DKWill, MJG, Zinoto, Ned, Ksev, Ryuga, and more!

These 2 tournies are on right now

Huh, I thought Vinnie retired.

 

[Nekoo]

Huh, I thought Vinnie retired.

He did said he came back some week ago on a long tweet.

 

[KamikazePotato]

Finished revising the Ike ground hitboxes to include interpolation! They're kind hard to read, but that's the nature of the beast. Ike has huge hitboxes that overlap a lot. I won't post everything again because it would clog up the page, but I did make some albums where anyone can go look at them:

Ike Ground Hitboxes (No Interpolation)
http://imgur.com/a/tHdXK

Ike Ground Hitboxes (With Interpolation)
http://imgur.com/a/Fq14R

If I can post just one thing, though...

Upsmash is freaking huge.

I'll be doing hitboxes for Ike's aerial moves next, but if anyone has characters they think this would be interesting for, I might consider doing images for them too. No guarantees though - I did Ike's because he's my main and I had way too much free time the last few days, hahaha.

 

[DanGR]

I think the community would have a lot to gain from seeing Rosalina & Luma's hitboxes mapped out like this.

 

[Wintermelon43]

I think the community would have a lot to gain from seeing Rosalina & Luma's hitboxes mapped out like this.

I'm pretty sure it woudn't fit onto a normal picture

 

[KamikazePotato]

I think the community would have a lot to gain from seeing Rosalina & Luma's hitboxes mapped out like this.

This is a really good choice, actually, and I would go for it - but as far as I can tell no one's posted any hitbox data on Rosalina. I was only able to map out everything like this thanks in large part to the insanely useful Ike Hitbox Visualization thread posted by Furil in the Ike subforums (located at http://smashboards.com/threads/ike-hitbox-visualization.433424/). I don't know how to mine that data, I just know how to use photoshop.

Is there any other data repository for this sort of thing that I'm unaware of?

 

[ParanoidDrone]

I'm pretty sure it woudn't fit onto a normal picture

If you assume Luma is synced to Rosalina at the time, then that would be useful. If you assume Luma is not synced then of course it could be literally anywhere.

This is a really good choice, actually, and I would go for it - but as far as I can tell no one's posted any hitbox data on Rosalina. I was only able to map out everything like this thanks in large part to the insanely useful Ike Hitbox Visualization thread posted by Furil in the Ike subforums (located at http://smashboards.com/threads/ike-hitbox-visualization.433424/). I don't know how to mine that data, I just know how to use photoshop.

Is there any other data repository for this sort of thing that I'm unaware of?

AFAIK Rosalina is on his (her?) to-do list but IDK when that will happen.

 

[Wintermelon43]

http://oddshot.tv/shot/2ggaming-20160507224756344

wow Peach has so much potential....... oh.

But serisualy, Mario's up special is reidculous on the first hit. Rememeber when it KO'ed 6WX at 0%?

 

[L9999]

http://oddshot.tv/shot/2ggaming-20160507224756344

wow Peach has so much potential....... oh.

But serisualy, Mario's up special is reidculous on the first hit. Rememeber when it KO'ed 6WX at 0%?

We all do. And really, someday I will graduate from college and people will still say Peach has "potential" and remain where she is right now.

 

[Nekoo]

Tyrant vs Pink Fresh was soo painful to watch...

This 50% kill when Bayo was only at 60%..... I smell salt...so many salt.

 

[wedl!!]

I don't understand how Mario, one of the characters who benefits most from rage and autolink bull****, killing Peach, a light floaty, has anything to do with her meme tier status but w/e.

 

[Das Koopa]

Aarvark 3-0s SM in a best of five money match.

 

[L9999]

I don't understand how Mario, one of the characters who benefits most from rage and autolink bull****, killing Peach, a light floaty, has anything to do with her meme tier status but w/e.

The mention of potential and the Mario jank were in 2 separate sentences. I commentated on potential but I didn't say it was Mario's fault.

 

[Das Koopa]

K9 vs. Scizor and Rich Brown vs. JWest in losers bracket.

Rest in peace Link/Samus top 16 dreams

 

[Y2Kay]

You can never count out your opponent when you're playing as Mewtwo.

But yeah RIP

 

[sedrf]

Jwest is kill lost 0-2
Trela beats ryo 2-0

 

[Das Koopa]

TLTC vs. Tyrant on Winner's Side

mfw Winners Side Top 32 Palutena

Edit: TLTC JV2s Tyrant game 1 and loses games 2/3.

 

[Ninety]

Edit: TLTC JV2s Tyrant game 1.

For the love of God please tell me there's replays.

 

[Das Koopa]

Pink Fresh out at 17th.

 

[sedrf]

xzax beats pink fresh 2-1.
how does that even happen

 

[Das Koopa]

xzax beats pink fresh 2-1.
how does that even happen

Pink Fraud MingLee Kappa NotLikeThis

Some stuff:

-Tearbear, Scizor, and JWest all out at 25th.
-Ryo and Pink Fresh out at 17th.
-Rich Brown is on a Loser's Bracket tear at the moment.
-TLTC and Rich guaranteed at least 9th.
-Aphro is the only Bayonetta left in tournament, soon to face Trela.

 

[ARGHETH]

Anyone know who Gloomy is? Because they apparently 2-0'd Pink Fresh.

 

[Ninety]

Hope Trela gets something good. What does Xzax play?

 

[Das Koopa]

Vash vs. FOW

Sounds like an 80-20 matchup in Ness' favor but hey good Macs have proven me wrong before.

Mr. ConCon narrowly loses 1-2 to VoiD, K9 on a tear in Losers.

Edit: Xzax plays Fox IIRC.

Edit 2: Rich Brown 2-0s Mr. ConCon, Rich Brown in Top 8.

 

[ARGHETH]

Edit 2: Rich Brown 2-0s Mr. ConCon, Rich Brown in Top 8.

Fun fact: Rich Brown's beaten 10 people in loser's so far.

 

[Radical Larry]

So Scizor is gone, ey? Well, 25th isn't bad of a placement, but I'm sure he'll get higher in his next tournament.

 

[Das Koopa]

Top 8 at 2GGT Fresh Saga

VoiD
v
Tyrant

FOW
v
Trela

Xzax ,
v
K9

SlayerZ
v
Rich Brown

 

[Aaron1997]

Yet another Decently sized Tourney with good players where a Bayo doesn't get top 8. "But Bayo is so broken and unbeatable."
LOL

 

[ARISTOS]

should be interesting

 

[ParanoidDrone]

A Peach in top 8 seems significant for the US. Or am I forgetting something?

 

[ARISTOS]

A Peach in top 8 seems significant for the US. Or am I forgetting something?

I would consider it super significant if it wasn't SlayerZ.

~Again, when the best mains show up, they get results~

 

[sedrf]

Even as a person who thinks bayo isn't that great that sounds ********

 

[Y2Kay]

Oh man I can't wait for people to call peach a Mewtwo counter.

 

[Nobie]

SlayerZ kept tricking Rich Brown into committing, and then would cause him to do panic nairs.

Panic nairs are really bad in general.

 

[sedrf]

xzax is playing really well