3DS Community Patch Notes v1.0.4 -- Engine Changes to DI

[FimPhym]

Guess it had something to do with the fresh bonus in vs. games. I know I couldn't pull it off in training.

Training mode has moves at 100% damage, and a completely fresh move does 105% damage. Or so I heard in a video with players testing exactly this interaction closer to release.

 

[Phoenon]

Dragon Rush's damage has been nerfed from 15% when all hits connect to just 11% now.

Only difference I've noticed thus far for the Zard. He seems mostly unchanged.

Flare Blitz has 9% recoil on hit, only 4% recoil if he doesn't hit anything.

Also it might just be my mind playing tricks on me but I swear his neutral a autocombo is faster now or combos better or something, a lot of the time before this patch the third hit wouldn't combo, and now all the hits do.

 

[san.]

IKE GOT BUFFED.

Jab combo works on that stupid Frog without rage if its fairly close. Registers as 3 hits. Prob safe to assume its 3 hits on entire cast. FAIR IS FASTER HOLY ****.The upper hitbox however seems to be gone.

BRB TESTING MORE.

SH FAIR AUTO CANCELS WTF

Dtilt angle changed to vertical trajectory, does 8 damage now, less recovery however which means its safer on whiff so changed angle may not be that bad and possible combos/traps too.

Ftilt recovers slightly faster.

Bair deals 1% more.

Nair knockback reduced which is great because now we combo much more at mid percents.

Dsmash angle changed to be a bit more horizontal.

SH Auto canceled Fairs is gonna be so sick. You can't put new Ike anywhere near bottom 5 at this point lmao

Confirm all of these except for the dsmash angle. Not so sure about that one.

 

[Jabejazz]

That's exactly it, and why in my video I did it in Versus mode over Training mode.

Duly noted.

Training mode has moves at 100% damage, and a completely fresh move does 105% damage. Or so I heard in a video with players testing exactly this interaction closer to release.

Correct, hence my mention of the "fresh" bonus.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Flare Blitz has 9% recoil on hit, only 4% recoil if he doesn't hit anything.

Also it might just be my mind playing tricks on me but I swear his neutral a autocombo is faster now or combos better or something, a lot of the time before this patch the third hit wouldn't combo, and now all the hits do.

Flare Blitz has always been like that...

 

[Chimera]

Any notable Wii fit Trainer changes besides the air dodge? Can anyone confirm the Kirby changes posted earlier? Dedede changes?

 

[Asdfchris]

Wii Fit Trainer Down B charges faster and last longer. I'm not sure about exact number of charge seconds were before, but now it's charged in 1 second and last 8 seconds, up from 7.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

- SH Fair now autocancels (meaning recovery time on Fair is decreased or the startup is decreased or the move comes out faster or the move has a shorter active frame. Need confirmation on which it is.)

The move has an identical amount of active frames, it's the startup time and recovery time that has been shortened drastically.

 

[Phoenon]

Flare Blitz has always been like that...

I'm certain prepatch it did around 7.5% recoil on hit

 

[The Real Gamer]

I'm certain prepatch it did around 7.5% recoil on hit

Nope... Its always been 9% recoil.

 

[TheGreatBrawler]

I'm certain prepatch it did around 7.5% recoil on hit

Yeah like the mod said, always been 9% recoil whenever it hits, I know because I always played as him, as he is one of my mains.

 

[Phoenon]

Nope... Its always been 9% recoil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9UPN1XAntc

3:30, why does Charizard take only 7% recoil after hitting Zelda with a Flare Blitz?

 

[A2ZOMG]

Marth buffs. Need testing on Mario to confirm he isn't just getting trolled by Nintendo.

 

[SonicZeroX]

Tested all of Falcon's attacks. They all do the same damage as before. Did not test knockback (But it seems the same).

 

[15 [イチゴ]]

The game feels faster to me. Has anyone else noticed a speed increase?

 

[Plain Yogurt]

Olimar's Pikmin no longer seem to get stuck when you down smash right after down throw.

Also, I'm not sure if this was like this before, but at around 20% or so Ness's Dthrow into double Fair is a true combo.

 

[TheGreatBrawler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9UPN1XAntc

3:30, why does Charizard take only 7% recoil after hitting Zelda with a Flare Blitz?

Most likely because of his equipments.

EDIT: Oh wait recoil, maybe if Charizard's flare blitz is weaker the recoil would be less as well?

 

[Deleted member]

I'm not 100% on this so if someone could check but it appears Duck Hunt Nair & Upair now hit more consistently.

 

[AvariceX]

Any notable Wii fit Trainer changes besides the air dodge? Can anyone confirm the Kirby changes posted earlier? Dedede changes?

Wii Fit Trainer's unblockable reverse f-air is gone. It just does a lot of shield damage now instead.

 

[The Real Gamer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9UPN1XAntc

3:30, why does Charizard take only 7% recoil after hitting Zelda with a Flare Blitz?

I have no idea that's my first time seeing it only doing 7%.

Just watch any of my gameplay videos and they'll all tell you the same thing: 9% recoil on hit.
http://youtu.be/QaJkP7kAqxU?t=1m26s
http://youtu.be/hORm3sUdrnc?t=26s
http://youtu.be/2OGdB31W9iA?t=1m42s

 

[SamuraiPanda]

The move has an identical amount of active frames, it's the startup time and recovery time that has been shortened drastically.

How'd you test this? If it is accurate then I can add to OP

 

[BlakDragon]

I caught something with Mega Man. @ SamuraiPanda I think this is OP-worthy. Pardon me if this was brought into light earlier:

in the past, if you were to burn your special jump and use neutral-air (or some other aerial/special attack in the air to make your landing safer) to cancel the recovery frames attached to your special jump, those frames were "stored;" the next time you went airborne and landed, you were burdened by your Up B's recovery frames from earlier -even if you didn't use Up B again - unless you landed with nair every single time.

However, in 1.0.4 this is no longer the case. If you land with an aerial or other special move just once after your special jump, those recovery frames from Up B will no longer burden you next time you jump and land.

 

[Lunix7]

Can anyone see what the changes are for R.O.B. and Mr. Game and Watch are? I'm out at the moment and can't check.

 

[Senko Zero]

It's been reported that there may be a big system change in relation to running usmashes.

With tap jump on, they work as normal. With it off. they cannot be done while you're moving until you character goes into their skid animation or they stop moving.

Just tested myself and this seems to be true. Test for yourself too if you like. This seems way too lopsided to be aan intentional change. Maybe it's just an oversight?

 

[TheZage]

I'm going to put my two cents in and say that marth's sword reach has increased. I have been playing him a lot and have gotten comfortable with his tipper. Now i need to be a bit further back to hit with it, and attacks have more of an arc. Ive sideb also has a different feel to it - can't quite describe it yet. Can someone with two 3ds confirm?

 

[Phoenon]

Most likely because of his equipments.

EDIT: Oh wait recoil, maybe if Charizard's flare blitz is weaker the recoil would be less as well?

Would the move actually start out stale in classic mode?

Oh well, seems to always do 9% recoil on hit besides that point from every other video I see so it must have been some odd instance causing it to do less than the usual percentage.

 

[Phoenon]

It's been reported that there may be a big system change in relation to running usmashes.

With tap jump on, they work as normal. With it off. they cannot be done while you're moving until you character goes into their skid animation or they stop moving.

Just tested myself and this seems to be true. Test for yourself too if you like. This seems way too lopsided to be aan intentional change. Maybe it's just an oversight?

If I press both a jump/X and A button at the same time it works fine/as it used to, feel free to try that out and tell me if it's just me.

 

[AvariceX]

If I press both a jump/X and A button at the same time it works fine/as it used to, feel free to try that out and tell me if it's just me.

I was about to say try this. This is likely the same deal as tap jump on/off with up+B out of shield always has been.

 

[Dax]

Marth's down throw and forward throw are combo throws [now].
REJOICE.

uh... what? What did you combo the forward throw into ? Because it seems identical to me

 

[Silent Hell]

Please tell me they reduced landing lag on Shulk's Aerials...

 

[Phoenon]

uh... what? What did you combo the forward throw into ? Because it seems identical to me

Try acting and dashing forward as soon as you throw the opponent down and jump forward air, should work easily, you can act a LOT earlier in forward throw than you used to be able to.

 

[Senko Zero]

If I press both a jump/X and A button at the same time it works fine/as it used to, feel free to try that out and tell me if it's just me.

It works. Thank you and sorry for the misinformation.

 

[bc1910]

Greninja has been nerfed significantly, seems to have been hit the hardest of any character so far. Tested these changes using my updated game and my friend's version 1.0.3 side by side.

- Up Smash has significantly more ending lag, he puts the swords away now, Up Smash -> Uair no longer works.
- Uair spiking is no longer possible, and people fall out of Uair before the final hit a LOT now.
- Uair deals less knockback.
- Shuriken has more ending lag at any level of charge.
- Hydro Pump basically doesn't push airborne foes at all now.
- Shadow Sneak can no longer be used to cancel landing lag, more of a bug fix that happens to be a nerf.

Also something has definitely changed about running Up Smash with every character, can't put my finger on it but it's way harder to do now if you have Tap Jump off.

 

[kid craft 24/sonic master]

Can anyone test whether sonic's Dsmash has less cooldown and if fsmash and dash attack have more cooldown. I've been playing back these moves on 1.4x and they feel different slightly.

Also if i'm not mistaken was little mac's aerial side B distance reduced?

 

[The Real Gamer]

- Hydro Pump basically doesn't push airborne foes at all now.

Holy crap this is huge if true.

 

[Dax]

Try acting and dashing forward as soon as you throw the opponent down and jump forward air, should work easily, you can act a LOT earlier in forward throw than you used to be able to.

damn you're right. By your post I expected a different throw distance so I was caught off. Still, it seems to work only at low %s

 

[Phoenon]

Holy crap this is huge if true.

It's true, I had Dark Pit in training mode at 120% when I smacked him off a ledge, Hydro Pumped the AI as they tried to recover and they barely moved at all.

 

[crashbfan]

Duck hunt changes? Anyone?

 

[PK Gaming]

Just ran through Pit in training mode with 2 versions of the game

No changes so far

 

[Locuan]

Marth's down throw and forward throw are combo throws [now].
REJOICE.

Down Throw -> Up air comboing up until 80%.
CHUGGA CHUGGA.

This is incredible . If I could only find a Gamecube controller adapter. Local stores have all of them pre-ordered .