3DS Community Patch Notes v1.0.4 -- Engine Changes to DI

[WhatIsRaizen?]

@ SamuraiPanda add this about Ganon to the OP.

From the thread: Ganon's fair/dair/nair all have less ending lag. Ganon's downthrow has less ending lag, and can be comboed from more easily. Wizkick starts up a tad bit faster. Bair sweetspots more often.

 

[Hartenberg]

so nothing at all on Falcon?
I guess that's a good thing, but it is unexciting.

I mentioned above that side b seems to not be able to KO as easily. Aside from that, he seems the same to me.

 

[akasheo]

Not sure if anyone said this or not, but a huge change ive noticed right off the bat is that Marths METEOR smash has a slightly bigger hit box, so its easier to connect meteor smashes. before it had to be dead on at the tip, now its slightly more of the blade.

 

[Amazing Ampharos]

In terms of buggy behavior, I can confirm the Corneria bug with Ness redirecting the lasers still eists in 1.0.4. Such a flagrant bug found so early not being fixed implies heavily to me that we are looking at the end of Wii U development here and not so much at a reaction to early play.

 

[Iron Kraken]

The Rosalina changes I posted should cover all her changes.

I think her Dair is slower now, but I need someone to confirm it.

Also, although at first it t appears her d-Tilt was nerfed, it seems that you can get the same effect of Luma hitting the other way by pushing down diagonally towards Rosa's back, rather than straight down.

 

[False Sense]

@ Thinkaman , if you get the chance can you check Robin's short hop height? I'm talking to a guy who's getting SH Levin fair->double jump off easier, and he thinks it might be because Robin's short hop goes higher now.

Or maybe Levin fair has less cooldown now.

Or maybe it's a placebo. Hell if I know. >_>

It may just be me, but while I was using Robin in training mode, it felt like his/her initial jump height was higher than usual. Something felt a little off about it.

Don't take this as any sort of official confirmation, mind you. I could totally be imagining it. But it may be worth checking out.

 

[Meloetta Star]

@ Thinkaman , if you get the chance can you check Robin's short hop height? I'm talking to a guy who's getting SH Levin fair->double jump off easier, and he thinks it might be because Robin's short hop goes higher now.

Or maybe Levin fair has less cooldown now.

Or maybe it's a placebo. Hell if I know. >_>

I can't say for sure since i'm only playing 1.0.3, no 1.0.4 yet, but I'm pulling off the SH Levin fair > double jump fairly consistently right now in training.
For reference, (Using femrobin if the model changes anything) Robin's boot reaches the top of mario's cap in SH.

Edit: normal non Levin fair seems to be the exact same frame count as levin fair? (I dont play robin and it might be VERY slightly different, but both seem to come out as fast as each other and double jump in the same spot)

 

[elmike]

i havent been able to kill with fox fair spike when enemy is off stage :S

Either the input/timing changed, or it is not in the game anymore

 

[Ffamran]

What input are you doing?


Edit:
Also, confirming just in case that Lucario's (very significant) increase in special landing lag is real.

I don't know how to make a video aside from recording with a crappy phone and somehow uploading...

Anyway, as I'm testing with Meta Knight: three variations.

1. Dash, let go of the circle pad, and then quickly do an Up Smash. I think letting go "resets" the circle pad since if I don't do it, then it still leads to a dash attack even if I push the circle pad up.

2. Dash and charged Up Smash. So, while dashing, quickly charge an Up Smash. I remember doing this as Snake in Brawl often.

3. This will probably won't count. Dash, let go of the circle pad, pause, and then Up Smash. You don't cancel anything. It's just dash and Up Smash. It's like a variation of 1., but with a pause in between. 1. is a quick transition from resetting the circle pad and doing an Up Smash.

 

[CoolPalMitch]

With Ness, it seems you can't bounce off of a wall with PK Thunder more than once. I swear you could do this before, but now if I try to do it twice, the game straight up will not register my input.

 

[Yikarur]

I think her Dair is slower now, but I need someone to confirm it.

Also, although at first it t appears her d-Tilt was nerfed, it seems that you can get the same effect of Luma hitting the other way by pushing down diagonally towards Rosa's back, rather than straight down.

The post was directed at you. Dair is the same.

And hitting with Luma is not the same as hitting with Rosalina

Robins short hop height is unchanged.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Does Zero Suit Samus's Infinite still work on Robin?

 

[-RedX-]

THAT'S NOT A DACUS.

GODS

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'lll put any changes in a PM to Panda if I try to change the OP more.

 

[Thinkaman]

I swear.

I'm gonna slap somebody.

Where's that table.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

@ SamuraiPanda add this about Ganon to the OP.

From the thread: Ganon's fair/dair/nair all have less ending lag. Ganon's downthrow has less ending lag, and can be comboed from more easily. Wizkick starts up a tad bit faster. Bair sweetspots more often.

NO.

Give me confirmation first plz. I need to know these are real.

Man I'm glad I played Ganon and Shulk even though I didn't think they were that great

 

[Comorant]

With Ness, it seems you can't bounce off of a wall with PK Thunder more than once. I swear you could do this before, but now if I try to do it twice, the game straight up will not register my input.

Nah, it was like that before, you only get the second chance and none more if you don't reach the ledge.

 

[LordFluffy]

Does Zero Suit Samus's Infinite still work on Robin?

confirmed this early it no longer exists. she now properly footstools off his/her head

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Nair is the only thing confirmed changed thus far.

 

[Yikarur]

With Ness, it seems you can't bounce off of a wall with PK Thunder more than once. I swear you could do this before, but now if I try to do it twice, the game straight up will not register my input.

It still works but you have to hard-crash into the wall.

 

[Kidney Thief]

With Ness, it seems you can't bounce off of a wall with PK Thunder more than once. I swear you could do this before, but now if I try to do it twice, the game straight up will not register my input.

It's always been limited to one as Ness

 

[Ffamran]

Let us know; including if its a tighter timing now or different timing.

I don't remember or know the timing of the previous version. I was just able to pull it off in this and 1.0.3 consistently.

 

[Thinkaman]

Robin's SH is the same height.

 

[M@v]

I don't know how to make a video aside from recording with a crappy phone and somehow uploading...

Anyway, as I'm testing with Meta Knight: three variations.

1. Dash, let go of the circle pad, and then quickly do an Up Smash. I think letting go "resets" the circle pad since if I don't do it, then it still leads to a dash attack even if I push the circle pad up.

2. Dash and charged Up Smash. So, while dashing, quickly charge an Up Smash. I remember doing this as Snake in Brawl often.

3. This will probably won't count. Dash, let go of the circle pad, pause, and then Up Smash. You don't cancel anything. It's just dash and Up Smash. It's like a variation of 1., but with a pause in between. 1. is a quick transition from resetting the circle pad and doing an Up Smash.

THAT'S NOT A DACUS.

GODS

I swear.

I'm gonna slap somebody.

Where's that table.

<_<. Yup. Dacus needs to be performed by first doing a dash attack, then cancelling it up upsmashing. -> A ^ grab is the input. up grab can be recognized as an upsmash (it was in brawl on the gc; hold the grab button to charge).

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

confirmed this early it no longer exists. she now properly footstools off his/her head

Hmmm, I'll put it as confirmed since I got another person who checked and confirmed it has been fixed. Will add it to the OP.

 

[Thinkaman]

I swear to God I'm going to flip a table up in here.

A running up-smash is not a Dash Attack Canceled Up-Smash.

I swear to God I'm going to flip a table up in here.

A running up-smash is not a Dash Attack Canceled Up-Smash.

I swear to God I'm going to flip a table up in here.

A running up-smash is not a Dash Attack Canceled Up-Smash.

 

[NairWizard]

With Ness, it seems you can't bounce off of a wall with PK Thunder more than once. I swear you could do this before, but now if I try to do it twice, the game straight up will not register my input.

It was always once.

I don't know how to make a video aside from recording with a crappy phone and somehow uploading...

Anyway, as I'm testing with Meta Knight: three variations.

1. Dash, let go of the circle pad, and then quickly do an Up Smash. I think letting go "resets" the circle pad since if I don't do it, then it still leads to a dash attack even if I push the circle pad up.

2. Dash and charged Up Smash. So, while dashing, quickly charge an Up Smash. I remember doing this as Snake in Brawl often.

3. This will probably won't count. Dash, let go of the circle pad, pause, and then Up Smash. You don't cancel anything. It's just dash and Up Smash. It's like a variation of 1., but with a pause in between. 1. is a quick transition from resetting the circle pad and doing an Up Smash.

This isn't a DACUS (it's been said, but still). You're just doing a dash up-smash.

 

[SonicZeroX]

NO.

Give me confirmation first plz. I need to know these are real.

Man I'm glad I played Ganon and Shulk even though I didn't think they were that great

I feel like a broken record at this point, but can you add Popgun cancel and Rush cancel are gone? I've been trying them all day and they don't work at all anymore.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

@Reserved
@ Thinkaman
Can i have shulk first hit of 2 hit moves working better because less kb on first hit confirmation?

 

[Ffamran]

THAT'S NOT A DACUS.

GODS

THEN WHAT THE HELL WAS I DOING THEN?

THEN WHAT DOES THIS: "In Super Smash Bros. 4, while all characters can DACUS, no character can perform a sliding DACUS," MEAN ON THE SSBWIKI?!

HAVE I BEEN LIVING A LIE?! *goes to continue crying in a corner*

 

[SamuraiPanda]

I feel like a broken record at this point, but can you add Popgun cancel and Rush cancel are gone? I've been trying them all day and they don't work at all anymore.

Yeah thats on my list. I think it got lost once. I hear ya dawg

 

[Thinkaman]

Taking a short break to unlock stuff.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

I heard people say that Wario's momentum glitch is gone and he no longer has the grab release thing. I haven't noticed any other differences though.

 

[Qikz]

I never thought I'd see the day that Metaknight a) needed buffs and b) got them! Glad to hear about the M/L d/f throw too.

 

[SonicZeroX]

THEN WHAT THE HELL WAS I DOING THEN?

THEN WHAT DOES THIS: "In Super Smash Bros. 4, while all characters can DACUS, no character can perform a sliding DACUS," MEAN ON THE SSBWIKI?!

HAVE I BEEN LIVING A LIE?! *goes to continue crying in a corner*

Wiki info is usually super outdated. Sliding dacus was discovered for Smash 4 when someone modded a 3DS to work with a GC controller.

 

[Yikarur]

Confirmed:
Ganondorf:
- Dair has slightly decreased landing lag
- Fair has slightly decreased landing lag
- Upair has slightly decreased landing lag
- Bair has slightly decreased landing lag
- Nair has decreased landing lag

 

[Ffamran]

Wiki info is usually super outdated. Sliding dacus was discovered for Smash 4 when someone modded a 3DS to work with a GC controller.

No kidding. Some character still don't even have damage percentages much less attack lists yet.

Still, then what the hell was I doing when dashing and up smashing with Snake in Brawl? Dude slid across the stage even without performing a dash attack to cancel.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Yeah thats on my list. I think it got lost once. I hear ya dawg

I'll fix it if it is gone.

 

[SaltyKracka]

No kidding. Some character still don't even have damage percentages much less attack lists yet.

Still, then what the hell was I doing when dashing and up smashing with Snake in Brawl? Dude slid across the stage even without performing a dash attack to cancel.

...You never actually saw a proper DACUS performed, huh.

 

[SonicZeroX]

No kidding. Some character still don't even have damage percentages much less attack lists yet.

Still, then what the hell was I doing when dashing and up smashing with Snake in Brawl? Dude slid across the stage even without performing a dash attack to cancel.

Running into an upsmash will let you slide a little.

Running and then doing dash attack into upsmash (usually inputed with down on the cstick + up on the control stick + Z) does a DACUS and with some characters like Snake you'll slide the entire distance of FD.