2020 US Presidential Election Discussion

[GenoDoge]

Trump won Texas.

 

[Deleted member]

I’m reading some texts I sent to my less politically informed mother and sister from early September where I predicted a Trump victory... past me is supposed to be dumb not smart.

 

[Deleted member]

I just realized something.

It would be a miracle. HOWEVER, if Biden takes Georgia, he's winning this.

Because if Georgia turns to Biden, then Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan will very well follow.

Also, mail ins are Biden's saving grace. Even if Trump takes Georgia and North Carolina, Biden could still very well win with Pennsylvania and Michigan, or Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

Comparing current maps to 2016 they both seem to be similar with the exception of Monroe county in PA breaking for Trump when it went Clinton in 2016. Unless Biden significantly swings a county in Wisconsin then all three will possibly go to Trump.

Damn, if Biden does not win Pennsylvania, it will be tough. He will need Georgia if he loses Pennsylvania.

 

[Cosmic77]

After Texas, it's pretty even.

 

[StoicPhantom]

Damn, if Biden does not win Pennsylvania, it will be tough. He will need Georgia if he loses Pennsylvania.

Well, there's still a fair amount of votes to be counted and the current map still looks a little shaky, so there might still be a chance for Biden there. I'm not so confident about his chances in the other two though.

 

[GenoDoge]

I still think Biden has a chance, but a lot is gonna have to happen.

 

[Teeb147]

I think it's better if it ends more split between them. Is a draw possible? that would be neat to see.

 

[StoicPhantom]

I think it's better if it ends more split between them. Is a draw possible? that would be neat to see.

It's not impossible with how close things have been getting, but it will end up in the courts and you will have another incident like Florida in the 2000 election.

 

[Cosmic77]

I'm just gonna go ahead and call Georgia for Trump.

With less than 20% of the vote remaining and Trump with a nearly six point advantage, I don't know how Biden can recover. Just seems unrealistic at this point.

 

[Teeb147]

It's not impossible with how close things have been getting, but it will end up in the courts and you will have another incident like Florida in the 2000 election.

I Kinda figured it might actually make a mess, but eh, I'd like to see a scenario where politicians have to work together instead of dominatting.

 

[Deleted member]

It's not impossible with how close things have been getting, but it will end up in the courts and you will have another incident like Florida in the 2000 election.

Honestly given how they blatantly screwed over Al Gore in 2000 I’m surprised I ever had any faith in our electoral system to begin with.

 

[Deleted member]

It's not impossible with how close things have been getting, but it will end up in the courts and you will have another incident like Florida in the 2000 election.

Honestly given how they blatantly screwed over Al Gore in 2000 I’m surprised I ever had any faith in our electoral system to begin with.

A part of me is convinced that the establishment set up George Bush, because they would know he would lead to horrible endless wars, which give the wealthy oil. What I mean is they planned for Bush to beat Al Gore, even before the election started. Especially because they had eight years of Bill Clinton, who was a neoliberal Democrat. However, neoliberal Democrats are even too much for some in the establishment.

My question is, am I wearing a tinfoil hat? Does this sound strange?

 

[Deleted member]

A part of me is convinced that the establishment set up George Bush, because they would know he would lead to horrible endless wars, which give the wealthy oil. What I mean is they planned for Bush to beat Al Gore, even before the election started. Especially because they had eight years of Bill Clinton, who was a neoliberal Democrat. However, neoliberal Democrats are even too much for some in the establishment.

My question is, am I wearing a tinfoil hat? Does this sound strange?

Yeah a bit too tinfoil for my tastes.

 

[StoicPhantom]

I was watching CNN's analysis on what could happen and if Biden wins Nevada and Trump wins Georgia then it could come down to Michigan and Wisconsin without it mattering if who wins PA. If Trump wins Michigan and Wisconsin in that scenario then it doesn't matter if Biden wins PA.

My question is, am I wearing a tinfoil hat? Does this sound strange?

Well, I guess that would depend on who you view as the establishment. The oil industry would have preferred Bush over Gore's environmentalism and climate change policies. And the Supreme Court deciding things in Bush's favor effectively tells you who their corporate masters preferred.

So they could have wanted him to win although I don't think they can mastermind things to the extent that everything will go their way 100%, as we can see with Donald Trump not being their preferred candidate.

 

[Deleted member]

You know, Georgia and North Carolina are not free for Trump. Georgia has slightly turned towards Biden's favor.

Edit: If Biden wins Georgia, that is huge.

Yeah a bit too tinfoil for my tastes.

I was watching CNN's analysis on what could happen and if Biden wins Nevada and Trump wins Georgia then it could come down to Michigan and Wisconsin without it mattering if who wins PA. If Trump wins Michigan and Wisconsin in that scenario then it doesn't matter if Biden wins PA.

I'm sorry, lol.

However, the 2000 Florida incident was definitely caused by the establishment. The electoral college went in their way to make Al Gore lose.

 

[Teeb147]

Well, guess I'll have to sleep on it and see what the results are on the other side.

 

[Deleted member]

Do any of you think Biden will win Georgia?

 

[GenoDoge]

It's looking like a victory for Trump.

 

[Cosmic77]

Both Wisconsin and Georgia have less than 10% of the vote left, and Trump is up by roughly 4 and 2.5 points respectively in each state.

Doesn't seem likely that Trump would lose either.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think this is worth noting

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Mail-ins coming in late really could make a big change as it's neck and neck with 225-213 in Biden's favour

 

[StoicPhantom]

Even if Biden wins the Democrats have been getting beat elsewhere. Not only have they failed to break the Republican majority in the Senate so far, but they're losing ground in the House. If this keeps up then a Biden win will only be a symbolic victory.

 

[Deleted member]

I think this is worth noting

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Mail-ins coming in late really could make a big change as it's neck and neck with 225-213 in Biden's favour

Mail-ins are Biden's only saving grace. Right now things are looking bleak, but for states that Biden needs like Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin, or Michigan, this could be huge.

Also, Idaho and Florida are pretty deep blue. Could Biden take back one of those states?

 

[StoicPhantom]

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There is a certain irony to the demographic that the Dems have been demonizing being their strongest in this election. This is shaping up to be an utter defeat on every level for the Democrats at this point.

 

[Deleted member]

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your post

There is a certain irony to the demographic that the Dems have been demonizing being their strongest in this election. This is shaping up to be an utter defeat on every level for the Democrats at this point.

Yeah, the Democrats have not learned from 2016.

However, I do not think Biden has lost yet. It is incredibly close in Georgia, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

If Biden wins a few of those states, he easily wins the entire election. I probably said this a million times, but mail-ins always favor the Democrats, so mail-ins will give Joe Biden a needed boost.

Right now I would say there is no definitive winner. Biden or Trump could take this. However, another part deeper inside me wants to say Biden is going to win.

One thing to note here is that Trump is trying to close the votes, and the supreme court is on his side. That is concerning.

 

[StoicPhantom]

It is incredibly close in Georgia, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

I have a feeling that Trump will take Michigan, Wisconsin, and North Carolina. So it would just up to Georgia. But it looks like these states are signaling that they will have the results tomorrow, so there's not much point in staying up any later. I'm out for now and hopefully I'll be able to sleep.

 

[Deleted member]

I have a feeling that Trump will take Michigan, Wisconsin, and North Carolina. So it would just up to Georgia. But it looks like these states are signaling that they will have the results tomorrow, so there's not much point in staying up any later. I'm out for now and hopefully I'll be able to sleep.

Good night!

It's sad that we are clinging to hope on a person that we clearly both despise. (Biden)

 

[Will]

From what the map is currently showing, Trump is gonna take this by snagging the rest of the swing states. I don't think the remaining two left-leaning states add up the 32 points needed to win.

 

[GenoDoge]

I think Biden is gonna win Nevada, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and maybe Michigan.

 

[Will]

I think Biden is gonna win Nevada, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and maybe Michigan.

Currently only Nevada and Michigan are democrat-leaning, the others are seeming to be in Trump's favor.

 

[GenoDoge]

Currently only Nevada and Michigan are democrat-leaning, the others are seeming to be in Trump's favor.

Yes, but they are saying the ballots in Pennsylvania will boost Biden up.

 

[Will]

Yes, but they are saying the ballots in Pennsylvania will boost Biden up.

If he manages to win, that is. It's looking like a Trump win here, man.

 

[GenoDoge]

If he manages to win, that is. It's looking like a Trump win here, man.

I'm holding out. If Biden wins Neveda and Wisconsin he just needs either Georgia, Pennsylvania, or Michigan. I think it could spin in anyone's favor, but Biden is not out of the running yet.

 

[Will]

I'm holding out. If Biden wins Neveda and Wisconsin he just needs either Georgia, Pennsylvania, or Michigan. I think it could spin in anyone's favor, but Biden is not out of the running yet.

Oh he can win, but Trump has the high ground right now.

 

[Deleted member]

Alright, so updates:

Nevada is looking good for Biden right now.

Wisconsin flipped towards Biden. That is pretty huge. One thing to note is that in 2016, Trump won Wisconsin by .2%.

If Biden wins Nevada and Wisconsin, he just needs Michigan, Pennsylvania, or Georgia, and he wins the election.

 

[GenoDoge]

Alright, so updates:

Nevada is looking good for Biden right now.

Wisconsin flipped towards Biden. That is pretty huge. One thing to note is that in 2016, Trump won Wisconsin by .2%.

If Biden wins Nevada and Wisconsin, he just needs Michigan, Pennsylvania, or Georgia, and he wins the election.

Yeah, there's a chance Biden could win even without Pennsylvania.

I don't know if it is obvious who I'm rooting for (trying to stay politically neutral in my discussion), but I'm hoping they win.

 

[Will]

I don't know if it is obvious who I'm rooting for (trying to stay politically neutral in my discussion), but I'm hoping they win.

I'm not big on whoever wins because I hate both of them. Either it's four more years or a new four years of something else that's also not really my cup of tea.

 

[ZaneHitsurugi]

Massive surge of mail-ins seems kinda suspicious to me.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Looking at how this utterly bizarre system works, 13% of Michigan's votes are left with 1.4 difference in Trump's favour. Georgia is pretty much locked down for Trump as there's only 6% left with a lead of 2.2 and while Pennsylvania has 36% of the votes left, Trump's got a 12.6 advantage. Biden's best chance here is Michigan. Why can't the US have a normal voting system like everyone else

 

[GenoDoge]

I really think Biden's chances are good.

We shall see, but I'm staying confident.

 

[Deleted member]

Looking at how this utterly bizarre system works, 13% of Michigan's votes are left with 1.4 difference in Trump's favour. Georgia is pretty much locked down for Trump as there's only 6% left with a lead of 2.2 and while Pennsylvania has 36% of the votes left, Trump's got a 12.6 advantage. Biden's best chance here is Michigan. Why can't the US have a normal voting system like everyone else

People have to learn that America isn't a democracy.

I really think Biden's chances are good.

We shall see, but I'm staying confident.

Same.