2.5 Link Vs 2.1 Link

[RomeDogg]

So I only noticed that Link can now have 3 bombs in play and the melee bomb teching has returned. I also noticed he can't down smash while holding a bomb like he could in demo 2.1. Is there any other changes from 2.1 to 2.5 Link you have noticed? What are all of the changes that occurred to this character from his 2.1 self?

 

[monkeyx4]

We discussed this on my thread on smash mods too bad none of the forums was transfer over

 

[RomeDogg]

Yeah no kidding. I think we need to spark up a lot of conversation here since there barely is any since we have to start all over lol

 

[Problem2]

- Leaving Boomerang knocks opponents up and away
- Returning Boomerang knocks opponents up and towards you
- The clawshot part of the grab no longer grabs people from the air
- Link can now have 3 bombs out at a time
- Aerial Glide Toss appears to travel further

There is probably stuff changed about his normal A moves, in particular, I've noticed no one getting out of jab, jab, d-smash for some reason, but I'm not convinced that that is guaranteed. His kills moves possibly kill even earlier as well. I was told that he has a faster u-tilt, but I haven't really noticed.

 

[Aenglaan]

Other than Link's U-tilt being somewhat faster, I haven't noticed many changes from 2.1.

 

[Sanity's_Theif]

So I only noticed that Link can now have 3 bombs in play and the melee bomb teching has returned. I also noticed he can't down smash while holding a bomb like he could in demo 2.1. Is there any other changes from 2.1 to 2.5 Link you have noticed? What are all of the changes that occurred to this character from his 2.1 self?

What's the bomb tech?

- Leaving Boomerang knocks opponents up and away
- Returning Boomerang knocks opponents up and towards you
- The clawshot part of the grab no longer grabs people from the air
- Link can now have 3 bombs out at a time
- Aerial Glide Toss appears to travel further

There is probably stuff changed about his normal A moves, in particular, I've noticed no one getting out of jab, jab, d-smash for some reason, but I'm not convinced that that is guaranteed. His kills moves possibly kill even earlier as well. I was told that he has a faster u-tilt, but I haven't really noticed.

So you're saying we can't grab people out of the air anymore? That's dumb, why take it away?

And I'll never get why they sped up the u-tilt when it's the side-tilt that needed more speed

 

[RomeDogg]

This is the bomb tech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjrYLXC2p8s
1:40-2:20

 

[Sanity's_Theif]

This is the bomb tech.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjrYLXC2p8s
1:40-2:20

Never thought to try that

 

[Shadic]

Link's Utilt was not sped up. The animation changed to more resemble Melee.

Link can still grab aerial opponents with this hand, but the hookshot itself cannot. This is to prevent braindead chaingrabs. (Even with this change he can still basically Zero-to-Death Lucas.)

 

[Kati]

Was Link's midair jump always so... depressing..?

 

[standardtoaster]

yes, it's been like that since demo 2.0. it's one of the bugs with SCD (stage collision detection aka landing detection)

 

[Kati]

hmm. Doesn't that kind of cripple him? I understand that his other physical traits as well as special attacks are better than his melee counterpart, but at the very least, wouldn't this hurt his recovery quite a bit?

 

[SinisterB]

It's something that will hopefully be fixed at a later date, things like his Ledge Drop -> WL are weird because of it. Just have to cope with it for now. On the flipside, you can instantly land on BF's platforms with a DJ which is sorta cool.

-referring to SCD

 

[Onomanic]

Link's second jump has always been very sad but I think any long time Link mains are well-adjusted to this.

 

[standardtoaster]

you end up going normal DJ height if you do an aerial from the DJ as soon as possible btw

 

[Beorn4200]

you end up going normal DJ height if you do an aerial from the DJ as soon as possible btw

So would you say that bairing after a double jump off stage is better for recovery than a normal DJ?

 

[standardtoaster]

yeah it probably would be

 

[Wobbly Headed Bob]

yeah it probably would be

What about down b instead?

 

[standardtoaster]

interrupting the double with anything asap will give you the full double jump length afaik

 

[Juushichi]

That is good to know, lol.

 

[EmptySky00]

So I have a question, but it will probably be ignored again since I'm over a month later than anyone who cared.

Why was Link's WD and DAC distance shortened to such a high degree? I understand tightening of physics and stuff, but be it intentionally intended or otherwise, a nerf is a nerf. Unless his wavedash being good was breaking him or making him lean in that direction, why was it made that much shorter? I understand "I liked it that way" isn't a legitimate balance argument, and that me complaining won't compel anyone to change it, but I'm just wondering because, well, it was ****ing awesome that way.

And his Bair still doesn't seem to work properly. Those two kicks don't link into each other for **** it seems and the first kick's hitbox seems to be kinda high still so it goes over people's heads. I've even had multiple situations where the first kick landed but the second kick was blocked. I don't think it was attributed to a crouch cancel either.

Increase in bombs got me excited when I first tried it though.

 

[BRLNK88]

His wavedash length was increased in Melee SD Remix, I see no reason why it shouldn't be increased in PM.

 

[Strong Badam]

Project M is not SD Remix.

And his wavedash length has not changed since 2.0.

 

[BRLNK88]

Project M is not SD Remix.

And his wavedash length has not changed since 2.0.

I acknowledge that, I'm suggesting its a change that would be nice in PM as well.
Read b/w the lines bro.

 

[Kati]

While it might be a nice suggestion brlnk, this mod simply isn't taking suggestions. I think there are idea threads for unreleased characters, but the status quo for currently available characters is that we will observe how the meta game develops rather than try whatever idea comes to mind. The large amount of play testers ensures that whatever we, the public, receive, has been be given extensive though and consideration.

 

[666blaziken]

What's the bomb tech?



So you're saying we can't grab people out of the air anymore? That's dumb, why take it away?

And I'll never get why they sped up the u-tilt when it's the side-tilt that needed more speed

They took it out because link could unlimited chain grab from the air, so ground only.

 

[BryE]

Idk why people still want Link's 2.0 chaingrab back in. That thing was obnoxiously unfair and it made it incredibly easy to chaingrab most, if not all, of the characters in the roster.

It's like saying "Hey we should give Sheik's regular Dthrow back since it was so awesome back in Melee."

 

[Shadic]

It especially doesn't make sense because he can still chaingrab pretty stupidly in 2.5b.

 

[Sarix]

Yeah I agree that Link doesn't need his 2.0 chaingrab since he already has a lot of tick throw set ups. It would make matchups feel like a toned down version of the Ice Climbers, and I would drop Link immediately if that happened.

 

[EmptySky00]

Project M is not SD Remix.

And his wavedash length has not changed since 2.0.

I think I meant pre-2.0 (I wasn't really thinking which version I was merely drawing off of a memory of playing). It was great before then and now it just seems so short comparatively. I really was more upset because it seemed like his DAC was neutered. It's still all manageable however and I doubt it will get increased due to my complaining.
But regardless, the whole reason I even made this account is to impotently ask if you guys would please consider making his bair link into the two hits better or have a better hitbox? My requests obviously hold no weight, but I just think moves should work properly and not be subject to randomly/frequently ****ing up for no good reason. That is all.