Guide (100% Complete) Doc. vs. the World (of Nintendo) - A Character Matchup Guide

[forkgirl]

lol i suppose. its something i kind of fall back on when i don't feel confident enough to run off and bair/nair/fair.

alright *wont use chain at all during pound!!* >.> or will i... =P

 

[HiIH]

The darton dair huh? Lawlz, he doesn't even do that anymore either.

To much text I'll read more of it later.

 

[KirbyKaze]

lol i suppose. its something i kind of fall back on when i don't feel confident enough to run off and bair/nair/fair.

alright *wont use chain at all during pound!!* >.> or will i... =P

I'm sorry I cged you in crews

Can we be friends? And play Sheik dittos?

 

[Vulcan55]

I made organized html files of this.
You can like, pick which character you want. Then you can click which section to skip to.

 

[TemPesT-]

is there a tl;dr version?

 

[HammerBro123]

i hate his f smash it has **** range but it can kill if it had better i would be willing to play him again i just cant deal with some of his attacks

 

[HiIH]

is there a tl;dr version?

lotsastuff

 

[N64]

dogy's wrong.

get above the pika.
plzplzplz

 

[Strong Badam]

i read the ENTIRE guide

get the **** at me

 

[GH4D]

Why do people get so mad playing against docs when he's not even top tier?

 

[GSUB]

Why do people get so mad playing against docs when he's not even top tier?

That's just me.
And it's because it's you, not doc.

And because of those pills, and nair priority, and jab to d.smash, lol.

 

[St. Viers]

mainly it's the cape edgeguards.

I'm 100% serious. If you gimp a marth w/ that, they will flip out at you, because "no one" can cape marth's up-B when he goes low...ever

 

[GSUB]

mainly it's the cape edgeguards.

I'm 100% serious. If you gimp a marth w/ that, they will flip out at you, because "no one" can cape marth's up-B when he goes low...ever

I main puff.

 

[t3h Icy]

It's like he started typing and then never stopped.

Fantastic stuff; will read Sheik and Puff when I get a chance to.

 

[P. O. F.]

Good **** Dogy. I like this. I want to start learning Doc a bit.

 

[mallu000]

There's no need for Doc boards after this. It's kind like reading for a maths test when you read&learn these guides.

 

[The Alpha Gundam]

Why do people get so mad playing against docs when he's not even top tier?

Its the gayest thing ever. I play Dogy on a regular basis and all I do is scratch my head. That ***** is so **** gay its not even funny.

 

[SmashMac]

Wow. Great job Dogy this guide looks golden. I haven't read through everything yet but from what I have it's amazing.

 

[Red the Ghost]

**** Dogy, this is insane. Soooo much help.

 

[ChivalRuse]

Believe it or not, Doc's u.smash trades with or beats a lot of Jiggs aerials. It also tacks on a lot of percent and can kill her at reasonably low percents.

I find running u.smash in conjunction with pill baiting to be really effective vs Jiggles.

 

[GSUB]

Believe it or not, Doc's u.smash trades with or beats a lot of Jiggs aerials. It also tacks on a lot of percent and can kill her at reasonably low percents.

I find running u.smash in conjunction with pill baiting to be really effective vs Jiggles.

Stop this immediately.
That would NEVER work.
Err, yeah!

 

[Scidadle]

Every character board needs a Dogy <3

 

[The Alpha Gundam]

Every character board needs a Dogy <3

Yeah it does. Then maybe we can have an accurate tier list...

 

[pinkchukks]

na/na/na/na/na

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah don't drop doc. Plus we don't need to edgeguard jiggs.

I love the jiggs MU. I mean ME as a doc, I LOVE to gimp but with jiggs I camp her as much as I can (meaning safely not near the edge or something) and punnnch. Although cape is nice against her, use it sometime. Might avoid an areial.

 

[1048576]

Cape > Peach. Stuffs her turnips and ruins her float approach. A grounded Peach is easy to deal with.

 

[ranmaru]

Yeah and why not just catch it either? I've caught a few stitches in teams matches and USED them xD

But cape is good sparingly. : ] But I hear Peaches could catch on and bait us to cape.

 

[tuPh-wUn]

Doc's Nair isn't all that much like Fox's.
If you approach Marth with Nairs can't you just get jabbed?

 

[Walt]

Holy hell this thread got res'd like Mum-Ra, Jesus Christ(or res'd like Jesus Christ).

 

[VGmasta]

Doc's Nair isn't all that much like Fox's.

Not even close. Fox 's nair is wayy better. Especially taking into account the speed Fox has.

If you approach Marth with Nairs can't you just get jabbed?

Yes.

 

[SmashMac]

I've added a bit more Marth information and will probably look over this guide a bit more to add some new stuff (and hopefully not take anything out). Thanks for pointing out that Doc's nair isn't like Fox's. They're completely different. Doc's gets stronger over-time, unlike any other nair in the game which, in all honesty, is huge enough to separate his nair from any other character's in the game. Fox's is usually used for spacing. With Doc. you could use it for shield spacing (passing through opponents shield, which is what I was explaining in the Doc. vs. Marth matchup). It works for Doc. vs. a lot of characters that will grab vs. him too (I.E., Ganon, Marth, Doc., etc.)

 

[onionchowder]

Great guide, very thorough, although I don't think you need to say that Dtilt is a useless move in every matchup.

Why don't you add matchup ratios? I'm not a fan of hard numbers, but a relative approximation as to how Doc does vs. certain characters would be helpful. I'm a Falco main who secondaries Doc, and it'd be nice to know what matchups in particular are worth learning.

 

[SmashMac]

Great guide, very thorough, although I don't think you need to say that Dtilt is a useless move in every matchup.

Why don't you add matchup ratios? I'm not a fan of hard numbers, but a relative approximation as to how Doc does vs. certain characters would be helpful. I'm a Falco main who secondaries Doc, and it'd be nice to know what matchups in particular are worth learning.

Thanks for the idea of ratios. And you're right d-tilt isn't useless in every match. It's been a while since I've read through this guide again and seen what I could add to it. Dtilt is actually helpful vs. Ganon/CF, Spacies, etc. to help setup for gimps.

 

[Mattnumbers]

How accurate is this nowadays? Would it e bad of me to quote these matchup numbers at people I play with?

 

[Max?]

This guide is definitely chalk full of relevant information. Is it a lil outdated? Maybe, Dogy hasn't played in a long time, and even at the point and time of writing this he had barely been playing iirc. Still, it is a great starting point, and shroomed plans on creating a new updated write up on Doc's matchups before Apex, so just be patient.

Most matchup numbers are ******** in the first place.

 

[Mattnumbers]

I'm just in a decision where I'm trying to decide when to use Doc and when to use Sheik. Right now I play Doc against (out of mid tier+) Spacies, Jiggs, and ICs. I'm trying to figure out if I'm actually gimping myself by doing this or if those matchups are similar/better for Doc like I think they are.

 

[Max?]

Most people would argue that Sheik does better against those character simply because she is a better character. They are not that far from the truth, but you have to acknowledge that not a lot of people have good Doc practice and you can get away with stuff that normally shouldn't work vs. an experienced opponent who has Doc practice under his belt.

A lot of people in the community are under the impression Jiggs ***** Sheik and Climbers have an even or better matchup against her. Imo Doc has near 50/50(+/-) matchups against both characters. Sheik almost definitely does better vs. the spacies, but once again, not a lot of good Doc's out there, and there a ton of Sheik's, so spacies will have a harder time vs. a good Doc over a Sheik of a similar skill level.

 

[DerfMidWest]

Sorry for the bump, but I noticed that some of this information is wrong-ish:

And because Pichu has a good recovery, he also has a decent edgeguard vs Doc. If you haven’t understood this yet, understand that Doc’s recovery is terrible, so he doesn’t get ANYTHING free. Even though it’s Pichu, in the event that you wind up off the stage, you can’t be predictable.

Pills aren’t failproof, he can nair through them. You can’t take the low road all times, you’re liable to get thunder jolted, and heaven forbid if you don’t want to sweetspot. That’s asking for F.smash and thunder.

Pichu's whole game is pretty much just trying to gimp you. His edgeguarding isn't bad. What I've noticed is that a lot of pichu's standard edgeguard stuff (tilts and things) won't work sometimes because of Doc's silly upB hitbox, but when he is at low percent he can CC dtilt -> crap. so you should watch out for that (the one time that you actually play against a pichu).
You don't really want to be under the stage at all. Doc is kinda slow in the air and If the pichu is smart he will send some jolts around the side of the stage (those will kill you if they hit you) or he will send a thunder down right in front of the ledge (this prevents you from sweetspotting it), then he'll nair you or something.
He can also ledgedrop -> nair/dair/fair and it will kill you (he will be able to make it back always).

If you try to recover high, you can be doraki-thundered (Pichu can do this on like every stage, but me and ICG are the only two Pichus who do this though). This usually will just get you a little percent, but it sometimes will set up stuff for him.

Pichu’s Quick Attack: Same applies for Pikachu. When Pichu does quick attack, at the point where he can input a 2nd command, he scrunches up (to do the 2nd attack). During this time, his hitbox stretches to double the length. Because of this, Pichu cannot sweetspot the ledge from below, because he’s scrunch and poke his head over it. Caping this is free.

this is true, but you won't get a free cape if the Pichu is smart at all (Unless its Battlefield). Pichu can do the first part of his agility (so that it falls short of the ledge), then slightly angle the second and it will flip him up into the ledge (I believe that this won't work for pika though). But you can pull some stupid stuff on Battlefield and Pichu will have a little more trouble gimping you there, however he is mobile as hell on BF, so the matchup kinda depends on how the Pichu plays.


sorry for bumping this, I know that nobody really cares about the Pichu matchup, but Idk, maybe this will help you that one time you actually do run into a Pichu player :\
not trying to contradict the OP, its a very good guide, just puting in my own input.

also... why would he thunder OoS <_<
there is like... never a situation in which I see that being useful.
Jolt OoS maybe. In all likely hood, if you attack his shield, he's gonna Usmash you (Pichu, unlike pika, has a strong usmash behind him, so you aren't safe there)

 

[Prince_Abu]

aesir god is the self appointed pichu expert

 

[VGmasta]

Yeah AesirGod, no need to be apologetic, every little bit helps. And you seem like you know Pichu really well. And besides, the rest of this Doc thread is pretty slow right now anyway. I haven't noticed anything poppin' up in here for at least a month now.