Teczer0

Inui's tournament XD

guess you didn't go?

kk

tomoyo <3

how was bbc finals? i was going to go but my ride bailed on me

oohhh, eh, I forgive you then xD

Where was this Melee tourney you speak of? :o

want 2 brawl whats ur fc

hey can i be ur friend
u a dude or a ladie

dude, why weren't you at Inui's tourney?

Melee friendliezzz :/

maybe you're a *****?

yay

i winz nao!

hai!

can yu teach me not to suck with sheik

HAAAII TEC0 =D
^_^ how is you and your orgasmic sig
also hai david assuming you post on tec0's thingy and see this =3

Uhhhh

I'm working on being able to 0-death Foxes from single grabs.

So far it's working with mixed success.

It sucks (and is amazing simultaneously) that Sheik's combo game on spacies is so reaction dependent. On the one hand it ensures almost perfect killing power if you do it perfectly. On the other it's a ***** to do perfectly in practice and often boils down to icky predictions that I don't like doing.

idk that's pretty vague what are you having problems with LOL.

Also I should get AIM installed here one sec.

Sure thing! Sounds awesome!

Oooooooooooooooooooooooo well feel better! Pick a day next week :D

LOL.. wtfwuzzat??

No u <3

It's not fair, it's nair!

Can't =/ i'm hanging out with a college friend today. I can play smash on Thursday though! :o

Alright, so I checked phanna/scotu's guide on hitstun (sadly incomplete, but it had Sheik's information thankfully) and this is what I found after scotu directed me to it so nicely...

Hitlag / Shield Stun / Move
07 / 15 / Neutral Air
06 / 12 / Neutral Air (stale)

So... if I'm reading this correctly, when Sheik's Nair hits a shield, there are 7 frames of hitlag (assume full power) so that would be when the game sort of stalls. During that time, shield stun (15 frames) is occuring. So they occur at the same time (I'm just piecing this together with Scotu's shield pressure guide in mind).

So it would resemble

Frame / action
(Red is the opponent NOT in shield stun, Green is the opponent in shield stun; yay for ripping scotu's format)
1 Opponent in shield
2 Sheik's Nair hits shield at lowest point, hitlag
3 Hitlag
4 Hitlag
5 Hitlag
6 Hitlag
7 Hitlag
8 Hitlag
9 Sheik lands, L-cancel for 8 frames (1)
10 L-cancel (2)
11 L-cancel (3)
12 L-cancel (4)
13 L-cancel (5)
14 L-cancel (6)
15 L-cancel (7)
16 L-cancel (8)
17 Sheik grabs (1)
18 Grab (2)
19 Grab (3)
20 Grab (4)
21 Grab (5)
22 Grab (6)
23 Grab Hits (7)

Alright... so taking all that into consideration, I think I've calculated this correctly (this assumes you do it frame perfectly and hit their shield at the lowest possible point with the strong, not-stale Nair) then your shield-grab should tie with the opponent's at worst, and probably win if you have a better controller port, or they didn't shield-grab frame perfectly.

That's actually pretty crazy. I might ask scotu or magus or something to verify if I've done this correctly though, 'cuz I'm not sure if I made mistakes or not.

Shield stun is so weird lol.

Anyways, that looks like it works from here. At worst your shield pressure ties with them instead of giving you a free grab. And that assumes you mispaced. I bet you could space to avoid their shield-grab and have yours win because of Sheik's super grab range ****.

That's horrifying LOL. I love you.

K, I'm going to pull an all nighter and actually try to get school work done *cringe*

But fortunately I'm armed with Mr. Coffee Machine and a bottle of coke.

So I should be okay.

We'll talk more about stuff later. I want to talk about my weekend playing with RaynEx and how needles are super amazing.

Those prerequisites are a mere trifle. Between needles, d-throw regrab tech chase, WD back F-tilt, and a ton of spaced Bair (and Fair, of course, Fair is a staple) there's plenty of time to replenish Nair's super powers. To my knowledge, shield stun doesn't change with damage but rather hitlag does but I'm not sure if I'm right/wrong or what that even means in the long term for shield pressure so I'll just wait for Scotu to reply.

Anyways... that sounds really gay, that sounds incredibly gay, and I am stealing that thanks for sharing exclusive M2K strats with me I will now **** Foxes for you and Aiur. Mostly for Aiur. Also I love tech chasing OMFG it makes me feel so alive. And gay. I can get Foxes up to 30 from 0 from regrab and jab resets really consistently now I'm so happy.

But I hate it when my Sheik is off. I find so many matches easier with Fox when my Sheik isn't playing perfectly, omfg. Falco is so much easier with Fox than Sheik when I'm playing only decently it's incredible. Also I suck at Sheik dittos again. Help? What should I be doing if someone is camping on the ground at low percent and I'm at high percent. Most of my aerials get outprioritized by WD back F-tilt and going toe-to-toe on the ground is risky because he can CC my things but I can't do the same to him. Should I be just using needles?

V____V

I looked. It's 8.

So, I have a question.

Sheik Nairs Fox's shield super, duper low with sexual amazingness.

Hitlag occurs for whatever amount of frames.

Sheik lags for 8 frames while the shield stun continues to lag their shield.

Sheik recovers and grabs, opponent tries to shield grab and Sheik's wins.

You're telling me this works?

Wow I think I might do this to Foxes. I need to grab them more lol.

I talked to scotu about the needle thing and he says that needles only have 3 frames of shield stun so technically you're at a -1 frame when you needle cancel

But I also think that means they have to be frame perfect to shield grab you from the needle thing you told me, or scotu didn't take something into consideration. Which is also possible. Either way, I've been using that a lot LOL.

This Nair thing sounds really sexual though. How many frames of landing lag does her Nair have? 7?

Sheik's Nair is too good.

Frame 3 aerial with most of its priority below it on a character with an abnormally high SH, and can edge regrab if you do it early enough on ledgehop, plus it's faster OoS than a shield grab if you're perfect...

Yeah, I can see how you might get that impression.

Sheik's U-smash is so amazing holy jesus of nipple clamps.

So how are you?

Canada fails.

V____V

did you watch kannagi yet??

meh i like all sorts...i dont really know many outside the americanized ones though...ill check both out

dude...higurashi is freakign intense...i love it

do you have any more suggestions

LMAO! You're sooooooooooo gay

You placed like 7th at a 60-70 person tourny. How is that awful? Lol.

I definitely am going to start. I had such a good time at Smashpocalypse. Nice job on your placing btw. It was great to finally meet you!

yeah im in jersey and working and all that. im positive that im going to princeton instead of VA cuz of snow johns. we should play asap. still have my number? txt me if u wanna play today cause right now im leaving work. xxxxxxxxxx. if not just pm and tell me if u wanna go tomorrow.

coming through tomorrow?

Spam too....

Haha XD

Here's a sticky explaining what it is: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=205203

I got in the first wave of 14 people, lucky me. My avy and sig compliment my name well, but should i type in a cyanish color too?? Hmmmmm....

hahhahaha high 5 indeed =D

I should Dair Falco more with Fox.

With Sheik I try to get close enough so I can punish anything he does without being in his range and when I'm not conveniently spaced like that I run around doing Nair, Bair, and needles hoping to knock him over from one of those (not needles; those are for comboing into D-smash or grab and other stuff).

I'm getting much better at tech chasing with just reaction and regrabs, I find it pretty good at low percent.

What do you usually do with Sheik and Fox against him? Like, general strategy. I like Rainbow Cruise vs Falco too with Fox. It seems platform camping and landing random shines + Bairs (what I do) is rather powerful there because of the platform arrangements throughout the stage.

What stages do you go Fox and which do you use Sheik on.