Interesting thread.
Also, I'm done with the HERB discussion thread. I could do more for the banning case, but if I lose to it in tournament, then woo hoo fairness and such. I agree with you that it should be banned though most likely. I mean, Meep doesn't even main ICs and he destroys people by CG'ing them. Much better than his main does/did, and making ICs look simple enough to play as. I also like the way shielding is used (less shield stun/easier powershield) to get the grabs in Brawl that are much easier than melee. I know everyone can't outspace it like marth, and ph00t's speculation that people can figure around it works the other way around too.
But you see, even if I posted that and more, they would just use personal experience and speculation, rather than concrete facts and tournament/high level results to back their arguments, which is why I always can't argue with NC about much for long anymore.